Epithalon - the real "Fountain of youth"?

[DragoT]

last one for today, I promise. Wrapping up a weekend long testing for a customer and it is almost time for a cold one.

Remember when I said I have the leverage of seeing a lot and... knowing Slavic language. So, I've decided to do a little research about brand name GH in government online pharmacy.

For the record - аптека is the Slavic word for pharmacy. Bear with me for a moment. Go to google and enter this search string: "apteka.ru & norditropin". Click on the very first search result



You are taken here:


You can click in "Translate this page" in the search result (result is somehow screwed, but you can still find the relevant information):

1. Manufacturer: Norditropin (Novo Nordisk A / S)
2. Composition: somatropin 10 mg Excipients: mannitol, histidine, poloxamer 188, phenol, hydrochloric acid or sodium hydroxide, water

Now take a good and long look at the price: 4273.00 руб. (4273.00 Russian Rubles).



Say WHAT? $74.52 for 30IU?

Now the kicker. apteka.ru is ran by the (evil) Russian government:





Here are the possibilities (feel free to add to the list).

1. The Russian government subsidies the prices of brand name pharmaceuticals (in this case, no wander Putin received 76% of the vote last week.
2. Putin threatened to nuke Norway or at least Novo Nordisk headquarters to extort low prices (in this case Sen McCain is right: "Putin is a thug and a murderer". Still the above election result shows they (Russians) don't give two shits about McCain and/or Fox News.
3. Novo Norsk sells to Russia at absolute loss (collusion of some sort) in which case we should demand a "Special Council" immediately.

The later is because... this is the cost via GoodRx, my fellow Americans



Someone is fucked and ain't the Russians...

Of course, there is also the possibility where Novo Norsk sells them bunk and the poor idiots don't have the science to figure that one out.

 

[Mr_Nobody]

Soo did you take the plunge and order a kit? when can we see igf1 test

 

[master.on]

Hey @DragoT
this company sells:

Epithalon
$270 1 gram
Epithalon – Psyclo Peptide

Copper Tripeptide-34 HCl
$150 1 gram
https://syntides.com/product/copper-tripeptide-34-hcl/
You probably already know that studies show Copper peptides to grow hair.

They seem to be a true chemical company
no BB BS.
Look at their (huge) product range.
Worth trying, IMO.

 

[DragoT]

Ahm, can you please stop referring to IGF-1 as the "God particle" please? What is this obsession with it?!? For me personally IGF-1 is a control number in terms of "Am I supplying exogenous GH in the correct amount to where IGF in ng/mL will be close or equal to the reference range (which is based on average healthy male in my age.) Too high IGF = to much GH, adjust as needed. Nature would have created way less complex molecule if the sole goal of the survival of the species was to raise the damn IGF-1 to the heavens...

With that said, Epithalon have completely different in action and scope application compared it HGH.

In a nutshell:

"Telomeres, the protective caps on the ends of your DNA strands that tend to shorten and fray with age. Imagine our DNA as a long spiral ladder with millions of rungs. Our telomeres are the last few thousand rungs on the ends of the ladder that keep it from “unzipping” as cells divide and thus protect our genes, which are made up of long stretches of rungs in the middle. Technically speaking, telomeres are repetitive stretches of the nucleotide base pair sequence TTAGGG at the ends of our chromosomes.

When we are born, our telomeres are typically at their longest. However, throughout our lives the telomeres shorten. At every cell division, telomeres lose a bit of their DNA until, over time, the cell cannot replicate and becomes “senescent,” which is the cellular equivalent of aging."

One side (that does not hold the patent) of the medical community calls it "voodoo science", The other - "The real fountain of youth". I guess we shall - I will either stop posting i.e. dropped dead, or will be around long after y'all gone.

@master.on I have two 100mg vials (free samples) en route, otherwise 100mg cost $140 FOB.

Here is the plan:

1. Get my telomeres length (aka telo-years) tested before application. I am more than curious if after 18 months of keeping my essential hormones in the high 95% for my age group actually did something to the telomeres length i.e. the test will report 56 years (or less). The testing company does not know who I am or what I did (or do). Even if it is a "voodoo science", I will have a bench mark, agreed?
2. Apply 2mg/day for 25 days (recommended course of "treatment") and on the last day will submit new sample to the same company. If it is a true science and if the product is real, there should be a difference.

Then we all shall see...

 

[master.on]

Ahm, can you please stop referring to IGF-1 as the "God particle" please? What is this obsession with it?!? For me personally IGF-1 is a control number in terms of "Am I supplying exogenous GH in the correct amount to where IGF in ng/mL will be close or equal to the reference range (which is based on average healthy male in my age.) Too high IGF = to much GH, adjust as needed. Nature would have created way less complex molecule if the sole goal of the survival of the species was to raise the damn IGF-1 to the heavens...

With that said, Epithalon have completely different in action and scope application compared it HGH.

In a nutshell:

"Telomeres, the protective caps on the ends of your DNA strands that tend to shorten and fray with age. Imagine our DNA as a long spiral ladder with millions of rungs. Our telomeres are the last few thousand rungs on the ends of the ladder that keep it from “unzipping” as cells divide and thus protect our genes, which are made up of long stretches of rungs in the middle. Technically speaking, telomeres are repetitive stretches of the nucleotide base pair sequence TTAGGG at the ends of our chromosomes.

When we are born, our telomeres are typically at their longest. However, throughout our lives the telomeres shorten. At every cell division, telomeres lose a bit of their DNA until, over time, the cell cannot replicate and becomes “senescent,” which is the cellular equivalent of aging."

One side (that does not hold the patent) of the medical community calls it "voodoo science", The other - "The real fountain of youth". I guess we shall - I will either stop posting i.e. dropped dead, or will be around long after y'all gone.

@master.on I have two 100mg vials (free samples) en route, otherwise 100mg cost $140 FOB.

Here is the plan:

View attachment 88369

1. Get my telomeres length (aka telo-years) tested before application. I am more than curious if after 18 months of keeping my essential hormones in the high 95% for my age group actually did something to the telomeres length i.e. the test will report 56 years (or less). The testing company does not know who I am or what I did (or do). Even if it is a "voodoo science", I will have a bench mark, agreed?
2. Apply 2mg/day for 25 days (recommended course of "treatment") and on the last day will submit new sample to the same company. If it is a true science and if the product is real, there should be a difference.

Then we all shall see...

Do you know of any way to test if your Epithalon is real?

 

[DragoT]

HPLC

Properties are well known

1. Molecular Formul: C14H122N4O9
2. Molecular mass: 390.34588 Da
3. Sequence: Ala-Glu-Asp-Gly

 

[bob hughes]

Ahm, can you please stop referring to IGF-1 as the "God particle" please? What is this obsession with it?!? For me personally IGF-1 is a control number in terms of "Am I supplying exogenous GH in the correct amount to where IGF in ng/mL will be close or equal to the reference range (which is based on average healthy male in my age.) Too high IGF = to much GH, adjust as needed. Nature would have created way less complex molecule if the sole goal of the survival of the species was to raise the damn IGF-1 to the heavens...

With that said, Epithalon have completely different in action and scope application compared it HGH.

In a nutshell:

"Telomeres, the protective caps on the ends of your DNA strands that tend to shorten and fray with age. Imagine our DNA as a long spiral ladder with millions of rungs. Our telomeres are the last few thousand rungs on the ends of the ladder that keep it from “unzipping” as cells divide and thus protect our genes, which are made up of long stretches of rungs in the middle. Technically speaking, telomeres are repetitive stretches of the nucleotide base pair sequence TTAGGG at the ends of our chromosomes.

When we are born, our telomeres are typically at their longest. However, throughout our lives the telomeres shorten. At every cell division, telomeres lose a bit of their DNA until, over time, the cell cannot replicate and becomes “senescent,” which is the cellular equivalent of aging."

One side (that does not hold the patent) of the medical community calls it "voodoo science", The other - "The real fountain of youth". I guess we shall - I will either stop posting i.e. dropped dead, or will be around long after y'all gone.

@master.on I have two 100mg vials (free samples) en route, otherwise 100mg cost $140 FOB.

Here is the plan:

View attachment 88369

1. Get my telomeres length (aka telo-years) tested before application. I am more than curious if after 18 months of keeping my essential hormones in the high 95% for my age group actually did something to the telomeres length i.e. the test will report 56 years (or less). The testing company does not know who I am or what I did (or do). Even if it is a "voodoo science", I will have a bench mark, agreed?
2. Apply 2mg/day for 25 days (recommended course of "treatment") and on the last day will submit new sample to the same company. If it is a true science and if the product is real, there should be a difference.

Then we all shall see...

Great price for the epithalon if real..I looked On peptide sciences.com ( which seems to be as legit as any of them in this sketchy peptide market) and 50 mg vial was I believe 200 or 220. Btw, you said “apply” 2 mg a day. Is it not the injectable form? I’ve heard other forms of delivery are ineffective

 

[DragoT]

Of course I meant 2mg "reconstituted solution", sorry i was not clear.

I will have an option to get 10x10mg for 140 or 1x100mg for the same price (the latter would be better choice since wife and I are on the same boat).

On the "research peptide" topic... I doubt anyone here thinks peptides sold domestically are made anywhere else but China. Let's face it, it is Capitalism with capital "C". This is how it works, plain and simple.

No guts, no glory!

Get a business license, pay for an web site development and hosting, a law firm to take care of the legal stuff, (preferably) travel to China to negotiate face to face "terms and conditions" and enjoy the fruits of you efforts - 400+% profit.

 

[Michael Scally MD]

 

[bob hughes]

Of course I meant 2mg "reconstituted solution", sorry i was not clear.

I will have an option to get 10x10mg for 140 or 1x100mg for the same price (the latter would be better choice since wife and I are on the same boat).

On the "research peptide" topic... I doubt anyone here thinks peptides sold domestically are made anywhere else but China. Let's face it, it is Capitalism with capital "C". This is how it works, plain and simple.

No guts, no glory!

Get a business license, pay for an web site development and hosting, a law firm to take care of the legal stuff, (preferably) travel to China to negotiate face to face "terms and conditions" and enjoy the fruits of you efforts - 400+% profit.

Right on bro, will be waiting to hear the results of your epithalon experiment. Wasn’t aware testing of telomere length was available, good to know results of epithalon use can be empirically measured to some degree

 

[Roco Bama]

Can someone post legit human or animal study on epithalon about telomeres

 

[DragoT]

Can someone post legit human or animal study on epithalon about telomeres

Epithalon peptide induces telomerase activity and telomere elongation in human somatic cells.

Peptide promotes overcoming of the division limit in human somatic cell.

...and everything cited on PubMed in reference to the work of Victor Khavinson - director of Sankt-Peterburgskiy Institut Bioregulation and Gerontology.

And if you have time, take a look at the academic achievements of this guy, who unlike the good doctor above does not post pictures and cites studies others have done, but actually do a scientific work. Beware... doctor... living in Frisco will get you soon or later...

 

[Docd187123]

Epithalon peptide induces telomerase activity and telomere elongation in human somatic cells.

Peptide promotes overcoming of the division limit in human somatic cell.

...and everything cited on PubMed in reference to the work of Victor Khavinson - director of Sankt-Peterburgskiy Institut Bioregulation and Gerontology.

And if you have time, take a look at the academic achievements of this guy, who unlike the good doctor above does not post pictures and cites studies others have done, but actually do a scientific work. Beware... doctor... living in Frisco will get you soon or later...

I guess assumptions are easier than fact?

Anabolic steroid-induced hypogonadism--towards a unified hypothesis of anabolic steroid action. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[DragoT]

I guess assumptions are easier than fact?

Anabolic steroid-induced hypogonadism--towards a unified hypothesis of anabolic steroid action. - PubMed - NCBI

You are right, I could have done a better job. I am obligated to amend my statement as follow:

"And if you have time, take a look at the academic achievements of this guy, who have been working in this field since 1973".

The rest however, stands and I will issues full retraction if/when the gentlemen proves the work of professor Khavinson (President of the European region of the International Association of Gerontology and Geriatrics; Member of the Russian and Ukrainian Academies of Medical Sciences; Main gerontologist of the Health Committee of the Government of Saint Petersburg, Russia; Director of the Saint Petersburg Institute of Bioregulation and Gerontology; Vice-president of Gerontological Society of the Russian Academy of Sciences; Head of the Chair of Gerontology and Geriatrics of the North-Western State Medical University, St-Petersburg) wrong and his findings - "bullshit".

@Roco Bama
last week I have stumbled on Russian publication about 15 years human study of the effect of Epithalon on people 65 and older, but never got to the actual text. Just now I have emailed Sankt-Peterburgskiy Institut Bioregulation and Gerontology. Let see if something will come up.

 

[Roco Bama]

You are right, I could have done a better job. I am obligated to amend my statement as follow:

"And if you have time, take a look at the academic achievements of this guy, who have been working in this field since 1973".

The rest however, stands and I will issues full retraction if/when the gentlemen proves the work of professor Khavinson (President of the European region of the International Association of Gerontology and Geriatrics; Member of the Russian and Ukrainian Academies of Medical Sciences; Main gerontologist of the Health Committee of the Government of Saint Petersburg, Russia; Director of the Saint Petersburg Institute of Bioregulation and Gerontology; Vice-president of Gerontological Society of the Russian Academy of Sciences; Head of the Chair of Gerontology and Geriatrics of the North-Western State Medical University, St-Petersburg) wrong and his findings - "bullshit".

@Roco Bama
last week I have stumbled on Russian publication about 15 years human study of the effect of Epithalon on people 65 and older, but never got to the actual text. Just now I have emailed Sankt-Peterburgskiy Institut Bioregulation and Gerontology. Let see if something will come up.

bioviva is conducting longterm gene therapy trial on humans to lengthen telomerase. gene therapy is scientifically proven to be effective but who knows epithalon could be somewhat effective as well. choose a top rated company to measure the length of your telomerase before and after and share your results on meso

good luck

 

[DragoT]

...and they did reply!

Look at the pictures section. Unless the gentlemen was cryogenically frozen, he did not change a bit for the past 15 years (71 today). That it self does not mean anything unless...

 

[Roco Bama]

...and they did reply!

Look at the pictures section. Unless the gentlemen was cryogenically frozen, he did not change a bit for the past 15 years (71 today). That it self does not mean anything unless...

I didn't find any post from you in the picture section.
Anyway did they measure the length of the patients telomerase before and after ?

 

[DragoT]

I didn't find any post from you in the picture section.
Anyway did they measure the length of the patients telomerase before and after ?

I was referring to the picture section (Photogallery) of the web site for which I've provided a link in the last post.

Age 51

Age 71


Did you read the article?

 

[Roco Bama]

I was referring to the picture section (Photogallery) of the web site for which I've provided a link in the last post.

Age 51
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Age 71
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Did you read the article?

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Interesting study but they are selling the peptides on their website. You don't wanna trust them.
Some people on Reddit taking epithalon noticed significant improvement in their telomere lengths by testing it before and after but 1 person got contradicting results when he tested with a different company

Just make sure you use a very reliable company to do your telomere testing.

 

[DragoT]

I must have missed the "peptide sale" section on this web site (Prof. Vladimir Khavinson | Main). Will you please point me to the relevant section? If there is indeed a sales pitch, I am really sorry. My interest is towards the science...

First blood sample will be submitted in the week of April 16 in order to establish a baseline.