Roco Bama
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What company are you gonna use to do the testing ? they say blood samples are more reliable than saliva samples
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Coming from someone who had his medical license revoked kind of makes one chuckle.
I have to say - you did exhibit some creativity in your http://caselaw.findlaw.com/tx-court-of-appeals/1576708.html, but... sucks to be eaten by your own, isn't it?
Over and out.
Is that all you got ... ROTFLMAOPIMP ...
Roco Bama
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This guy on Reddit went from having the telomere length of a 55 year old to that of a 10 year old by using epitalon.
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To understand why that is, one must first understand the conceptual difference between two opposite healthcare delivery systems.
I know this is a drift form the original scope of this tread, but a good one, I think. A lot have been said about "socialized" medicine, "rationing" and "dead grandma's". As with everything else now days, this is pure propaganda and brain washing to preserve the status quo.
Let me tell y'all how one becomes a medical professional "over there". For your surprise, professional carrier starts at high school. How so, you might ask? It all starts with the grade system:
6 - Excellent
5 - Very good
4 - Good
3 - Satisfactory
2 - Failed
***The higher education "over there" is free. Yes, you've heard that right - free!
To apply at University, one must have minimum graduation score of 4.5 (where Graduation Score is composed as average from few major disciplines like native language, math, biology etc). Anything less than 4.5 - you cannot even apply (your application is automatically rejected). It does not matter if your father have money or not - you have proven not worthy of "free higher education" but more importantly, you are either dumb ass, or lazy ass, or both.
Upon application acceptance, a number is assigned to it and from now till acceptance, you are not known by name, but a number.
Mid summer, all applicants attend "acceptance test". Tests are based on type of school - Native language and Biology for medical school, Native Language and Math for Technical School and so on. The subject of the test (essay, math problems etc) are drafted 1h prior to the test and are same for the entire country. The applicants will write their "application number" on the sheet and then work on the test problem(s).
Three professors grade the answers independently, and the average of the three grades is submitted to the admission office. There, the grade is now matched to a name, and "Acceptance List" is posted on the "wall of cry" (university news board).
As you can see, the system is based purely on merit (knowledge). Once proven "worthy" (think "smart") to receive free high education, the new student enters contractual obligations (I hate to say it, but yes, with the government) that:
1. Will maintain grades to minimum 3.5 or be expelled
2. Upon successful graduation, the new doctor, engineer, teacher etc will be dispatched to a location where such professional services are needed (think 5 years service to society that give you this free education). ***This is not a Gulag, it is rather a contract...!
After five years, you are free to select where to continue your professional practice. Studies have continuously shown more than 60% of new graduates elect to stay at the place they were originally dispatched - community ties, local respect etc.
Of course, people who excel during the course of study in the university are noted and offered post-grad and work in the scientific field.
Now this is where it gets interesting. Currently, "over there" is a mixture of "free/socialized healthcare" and "private practice".
Everyone (poor or rich) is eligible for free healthcare! However, one have an option to go to private practice, receive immediate attention (no wait lines), gets his ass tingled with a feather and... pay for it.
There is no such thing as insurance "over there". Insurance is a scam, a gamble that more people will pay than people get sick. As Chris Rock once said "Insurance is 'in case of shit'. Well, shit did not happen - I want my money back". Well, it does not work this way, agree?
Now lets talk about the cost. Personal experience...
A porcelain toot cap cost $2,000 here. If insurance covers it, you still pay out of pocket 600 or so. "Over there", the cost is... $95 (the cap) plus $15-25 for dentist work. You've read that right. Fraction of the cost and yet... the cap is made with materials and equipment made in the US. Just... Ely Lilly sold it for "what they can charge for" in the respected country.
We have a child story that goes like that - "once upon a time, a poor man decided to tech his horse how to not eat in order to save money. The day he finally completed the "teaching process", his horse died". Moral of the story - you cannot squeeze water out of stone i.e. you charge way above what the customer is capable of paying without killing him... Which is the opposite of how insurance works - end customer never revolt because "insurance will cover it, or at least big part of it".
Here lies the major difference - with the sheer number of people entitled and expecting free healthcare, success is not measured in "how many grandmas government kills per year to keep the cost down", but "how many people got sick this year compared to the last" i.e. prevention...
Now the kicker. In my home country (not Russia
Oh, and did I mention growing GMO crops in my country is punishable by substantial fine, or five years in jail, or both...
So, my friends, let that sink in. Perhaps you will look a little different when the next asshole on TV proclaim "Russia's bad, mkay"...
Price is what you pay
Cost is what you incur
Don't treat the two words as interchangeable, they don't have much in common.
And there really is no way to compare prices across systems - all governments screw up visibility so much that there is no transparency.
I'm curious WTF does @Michael Scally MD licensing issue have to do with anything here. He's provided more helpful information to this community than everyone on this forum combined.
If you have a difference of opinion on "anti-aging" or believing in the tooth fairy I would suggest you give the man a little more respect.
Pretty low to take a shot at someone because you have no rebuttal or can dispute to a pipe dream drug.
I expected much more from you man.
mands
Thanks. I stood up for proper AAS care. And, proven right through the years.
ZFG to this POS pushing his scam product.
The common thread is their country of origin. And, idiocy.
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This thread derailed, But to me this is a fascinating topic. Notwithstanding the controversies attached to various aspects of this topic (Russian origin, ties to questionable sales of peptides, “anti-aging”, etc.), unless I’m missing something, this seems like a worthwhile area to explore. I’ve done very little research on this topic, but the gist of what I have read, Is that telomeres have been proven or at least suggested, to be a measurement of the remaining lifespan of a person / organism. The production and or maintenance of these telomeres declines as we age. The process of telomeres Involving certain peptides. So theoretically, supplementing with these peptides or analogs could potentially impact lifespan. Or overall health, and possibly cancer implications. Now, I don’t know, maybe this has been thoroughly debunked. But if it has, Please post a link to the evidence, and spread the knowledge. don’t just ridicule the notion of even considering it, and dismiss it as snake oil, while providing no evidence to support that position. The original Russian studies appear to be listed or cited in American medical journals, and then the Quick look I took on the subject, There was nothing I saw to just dismiss it out of hand as quackery. I claim no expertise, and I freely admit I may have mistaken an article for a study or magazine for a journal lol. And this may all very well be Complete bullshit, but if so then post the evidence and educate the rest of us
I guess I’ll be the first to point out the irony of using unapproved drugs that haven’t been shown to be safe (yet) in the hopes of “anti-aging”. For all we know, the drug can be carcinogenic itself lol
This is my last post on this board. I have come to the conclusion that I am investing too much time, energy and (lately) emotions. It is going worst by the day and it will never end. I have joined with pure intend in heart to be a contributing member of this community and apparently did not worked out this way.
Like in any broken relationship, the best course of action is to server ties and move on...
@mands I have nothing but respect to you. I am sorry if you feel I am overstepping boundaries. You should know that I put heavy weight on my words and (almost) never let emotions cloud my judgement. In the case of @Michael Scally MD I took the red pill and went down the rabbit hole. I have demonstrated already I can make my way around internet and... I have to tell ya, public records are bitch!
I have formed an opinion based my research of online activity, court records and I just tried to keep up within the spirit of which I have been treated.
Graduating Harvard is recognition of one's ability to study the material and pass an exam, it does not grant license of "moral" or "IQ" superiority. I refuse to be treated as a "low" class human being due to the lack of diploma from Harvard on the wall. The Germans have tried it and we all know it did not worked that well...
Somehow I fail to see "helpful information to this community" besides posting studies and occasionally exercising (in his mind) "superiority" by mocking and ridiculing. Such behavior might be acceptable here on Meso, but not in my book.
I find especially offensive his last "conclusions":
The Meso chapter in my life has been written and it is now closed.
@Millard Baker, please deactivate my account if this is allowed by T/C.
To all of you, might your hands be numb, nails grow faster, muscle get bigger and the (IGF-1) force be always with you!
Like in any broken relationship, the best course of action is to server ties and move on...
@mands I have nothing but respect to you. I am sorry if you feel I am overstepping boundaries. You should know that I put heavy weight on my words and (almost) never let emotions cloud my judgement. In the case of @Michael Scally MD I took the red pill and went down the rabbit hole. I have demonstrated already I can make my way around internet and... I have to tell ya, public records are bitch!
I have formed an opinion based my research of online activity, court records and I just tried to keep up within the spirit of which I have been treated.
Graduating Harvard is recognition of one's ability to study the material and pass an exam, it does not grant license of "moral" or "IQ" superiority. I refuse to be treated as a "low" class human being due to the lack of diploma from Harvard on the wall. The Germans have tried it and we all know it did not worked that well...
Somehow I fail to see "helpful information to this community" besides posting studies and occasionally exercising (in his mind) "superiority" by mocking and ridiculing. Such behavior might be acceptable here on Meso, but not in my book.
I find especially offensive his last "conclusions":
- Pushing product(s) - @Michael Scally MD Either show direct evidence of such push, or apologize. Either one will be the right thing to do.
- Just because I happen to speak four languages and Russian is one of them does not makes me Russian, it makes me Polly lingual. I also happen to drink Mexican beer only - is this makes me Russian-Mexican? Based on this brilliant logic, the street drug dealers can be called "unlicensed pharmacists" I guess...
- The ignorance of educated people like you when comes to the rest of world is the reason this (once) great country is going to hell. I suggest start expanding your world views by reading other sources besides CNN and FoxNews.
The Meso chapter in my life has been written and it is now closed.
@Millard Baker, please deactivate my account if this is allowed by T/C.
To all of you, might your hands be numb, nails grow faster, muscle get bigger and the (IGF-1) force be always with you!
