EQ - the way to go vascular?

[lukiss96]

As Mac said, it assists with estrogen control but does not act as an anti-E. It leads to sub-normal E2 when used by itself (like Deca) but it is an aromatizable androgen.

It can certainly be used with 250 - 300 mg test as the primary aromatizable androgen in a bulking/off-season cycle and will promote a drier look than high test.

Most guys prefer high test though. You just feel good on high test. And most guys realize that deca is just so much more anabolic as Mac indicated as well.

EQ is not the best tolerated drug, even though women use it, it often causes acne and anxiety if you've never used it, just a risk to bear in mind; it's one of the less tolerable injectables in popular use.

Cool thanks man, appreciate that!

 

[ar7353]

As Mac said, it assists with estrogen control but does not act as an anti-E. It leads to sub-normal E2 when used by itself (like Deca) but it is an aromatizable androgen.

It can certainly be used with 250 - 300 mg test as the primary aromatizable androgen in a bulking/off-season cycle and will promote a drier look than high test.

Most guys prefer high test though. You just feel good on high test. And most guys realize that deca is just so much more anabolic as Mac indicated as well.

EQ is not the best tolerated drug, even though women use it, it often causes acne and anxiety if you've never used it, just a risk to bear in mind; it's one of the less tolerable injectables in popular use.

Have you or someone else done a full write up on EQ and estrogen? Anecdotally, I had single digit estrogen levels on test/EQ, but I didn’t have any noticeable low estrogen side effects. I felt pretty damn good actually, which seems surprising with “tanked” E2.

I know there is a lot of debate and experiences vary with primo and estrogen, but it seems like there is a bit more of a consensus on EQ and estrogen. I’m just not aware of what exactly that consensus is.

 

[Type-IIx]

Have you or someone else done a full write up on EQ and estrogen? Anecdotally, I had single digit estrogen levels on test/EQ, but I didn’t have any noticeable low estrogen side effects. I felt pretty damn good actually, which seems surprising with “tanked” E2.

I know there is a lot of debate and experiences vary with primo and estrogen, but it seems like there is a bit more of a consensus on EQ and estrogen. I’m just not aware of what exactly that consensus is.

I have not written extensively about EQ. With respect to its aromatization and estrogenicity, it aromatizes at 58% the rate of testosterone (to estradiol and principally to estrone, E1). E1 is a weak estrogen with only 2% of the ERα potency of E2.

Primo actually lowers serum E2 and does not aromatize, while low-moderate dose EQ aromatizes and tends to cause sub-normal E2. Those who report low estrogen symptoms either use too low a dose of EQ or metabolically favor aromatization to E1, or both, basically.

 

[Jurgen]

I used it for the first half of my bodybuilding career but no longer do. For growth I prefer deca/primo now. For prep I prefer mast/primo. I don’t have a place for EQ anymore, but that doesn’t mean it’s a shit drug.

Ive been planning Test/NPP/Mast adrol for my next bulk, or would the mast be a waste? i was going to run it so i can run higher test, but it was just an idea.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Ive been planning Test/NPP/Mast adrol for my next bulk, or would the mast be a waste? i was going to run it so i can run higher test, but it was just an idea.

Alongside nand is fine. I don’t like NPP and would go with deca but that’s me. Most advanced guys I’ve talked to don’t get the same from NPP as they do deca.

 

[cmK9s33]

Alongside nand is fine. I don’t like NPP and would go with deca but that’s me. Most advanced guys I’ve talked to don’t get the same from NPP as they do deca.

Why do you think that might be? It's the same drug. Different ester but same drug so assuming proper dosing frequency there shouldn't be any difference.

 

[cmK9s33]

I have not written extensively about EQ. With respect to its aromatization and estrogenicity, it aromatizes at 58% the rate of testosterone (to estradiol and principally to estrone, E1).

Can you point me to that citation please? I've been trying to find something that definitively states that any time this comes up.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Why do you think that might be? It's the same drug. Different ester but same drug so assuming proper dosing frequency there shouldn't be any difference.

I honestly have no idea. Wish I did. But I’ve gotten that response regularly from my peers.

 

[Type-IIx]

Can you point me to that citation please? I've been trying to find something that definitively states that any time this comes up.

Gual, C., Morato, T., Hayano, M., Gut, M., & Dorfman, R. I. (1962). Biosynthesis of Estrogens. Endocrinology, 71(6), 920–925. doi:10.1210/endo-71-6-920

 

[Jurgen]

I honestly have no idea. Wish I did. But I’ve gotten that response regularly from my peers.

Sometimes anecdotal reports are all we get with this type of stuff.
First time running it so I figured short ester would be best. Maybe it’s the more consistent levels would be my guess but who knows.
Maybe I’ll try devs next time if I respond well to NPP.

 

[effswithtren]

Sometimes anecdotal reports are all we get with this type of stuff.
First time running it so I figured short ester would be best. Maybe it’s the more consistent levels would be my guess but who knows.
Maybe I’ll try devs next time if I respond well to NPP.

I’m small time so like, fuck me and all that, but I’ve had similar results too. I looked better while on NPP than deca with noticeably less bloat, but once I came off I didn’t look a lot different than when I started. With deca I was noticeably beefier than before. Sample size of one and all that, just thought I’d chime in that it went similarly for me.