Athlete127
New Member
thats good that you caught it man. Alot of people don't catch it in time...
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
EQ - the way to go vascular?
eery
Well-known Member
i really appreciate his posts and how in detail and specific he is. Dont hate.
Type-IIx
Well-known Member
I could talk all day about what testosterone is without aromatization properties. You want to have this convo here? I'm not sure @Ironman 580 will be happy, but we can talk drugs, I'm free today. Though I was hoping to do something a bit more productive!
Yeah, I mean there is room for more red meat but I already get a pretty decent helping of green vegetables. At least 15oz/day. Graned, I know that meat has the more readily absorbed heme iron. So you're correct that more red meat is something I should at least try.
Well, not that nothing worked lol. I said "I'm always looking for ways to increase it. Test doesn't move it very much." And no test doesn't do much for my hemoglobin at all. If I'm only using TRT levels of test, my HgB will be at near medically anemic values. I know some guys complain that basic TRT amounts of test skyrocket their CBC values to unhealthy levels.
Also, EQ has worked for me to increase HgB but never to remotely dangerous levels. The highest HgB I've recorded was 15.7 after 500mg of test and EQ for 20 weeks. The length of the ester is a bit off-putting though. So, other methods/drugs to increase it always grab my attention.
I have used EQ but not in very large doses. The long acting ester has usually made me err on the side of choosing lower doses in the past (500mg at most). I've used it with the primary intent of it being a performance enhancer and secondarily as an anabolic agent. It did seem to help performance and provide a seemingly modest boost to Hgb, but in actuality it was a significant one for me.
My question was more with the intent of using something as an HRT add-on. My HgB is typically low 13's while on TRT, and (as I said in my first post to mac11wildcat) Im always looking for ways to increase it. I should have been a bit more specific I suppose.
As to EPO, honestly I'm typically so far from the danger zone (and I have a home rbc/hgb tester) that I would be interested to try it if I could source it more easily and reliably. But figuring out the iron deficiency would probably be necessary to get the benefit of EPO.
Athlete127
New Member
running test and anti estrogens is going to be a bit more unhealthy all around bc the anti e
now if you run primo or mast which have the same properties to offset estrogen you dont have to use an anti e (increases the androgen to estrogen ratio)
you will see the same gains... and blood work will be be better....
I am done arguing. everyone has their ways they do things. Some are a bit more carless than others. I just choose not to be careless anymore.
Make sure you stay on your blood work, ct scan, echos and urinalysis guys
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Type-IIx
Well-known Member
If you say so, I put my faith in your absolute confidence that all androgens are equipotent and focus on teh bloodz.
In seriousness, I think that bloodwork is necessary (baseline/cruise, 6 weeks into blast, post-blast, 6 mo intervals while cruising) as a guide to titrate up/lower dosages, but it's very important to have an appreciable understanding of the cardiac changes (morphological/ left ventricular, diastolic function) that teh bloodz miss, and that accumulate rapidly. Bloodwork is vital, but it's just a piece of the puzzle in health monitoring, and overreliance can be dangerous.
brutalbuilt
Member
where you hear that? ive watched almost all episodes on fouads podcast and most of the top ifbb pros use eq in the offseason that he talked to on there
Athlete127
New Member
hear? I work with alot and know alot
I will have to ask him about that today. I dont watch it
effswithtren
Well-known Member
I think EQ sucks but that’s just me. It’s important to remember that everyone has their own goals, and is at different stages of their fitness journey. It sucks, for me, because it doesn’t currently align with my goals and where I’m at. Its same properties could align perfectly for someone else.
Plate Smacker
Well-known Member
It's going to be hard for people to believe. I started at 37 and was always asked what gear I take. Everyone was sure I was running gear, when I wasn't. Now it's totally obvious, but I'm natty for life because I live in America where steroids are a no go lol.
tauras66
Well-known Member
Thanks for the reply. I've been running gear since 1988 and my son is well aware of my usage and we discuss pros and cons all the time. We've been training together for the last 4 years and we are together all the time. He's home when my packs come and he's around my gear all the time. To think, as open as we are about discussing gear, that he's sneaking shots of Test or buying his own gear from a gym dealer for 150 bucks a vial is just a joke. This place really has attracted some idiots since that mass banning. Will he ever do gear??? I'm not sure , but I like to think the fact that I've discussed all the past mistakes I've made and have been open about it has given him pause to start right now. His goals are changing too, wanting to make a career out of BB is no longer what he desires, so I'm hoping that to will keep him natural.
Bob Loblaw
Member
Wow! This thread is something else! More questions brought up than answers on EQ. 8 weeks ago I had been on 500mg/week EQ for 10 weeks and my bloods were fine. I also donated blood about 2 weeks later and my hemocrit looked good. Now I'm scared shitless to get labs done again based on this thread! LOL!
I appreciate all of the science and the arguing and dick measurements are fun to read but nothing even close to definitive answers came from this thread.
Fun shit, though!
I appreciate all of the science and the arguing and dick measurements are fun to read but nothing even close to definitive answers came from this thread.
Fun shit, though!
JTB3318
New Member
Big macs are one of my favorite performance enhancers haha. Used sparingly, of course.
Habib
Banned
A lot of people Hate on EQ. I'd consider adding it to my cruise dose.
Rido
Subscriber
He is never happy unless you are calling someone a "pussy ass bitch"
I don’t understand why anyone would seek being extra vascular. I get ridiculously vascular when lean and on gears and honestly it’s only cool to some of my knucklehead buddies. It’s kinda weird and freaky and not exactly attractive.
eery
Well-known Member
We are meatheads, vascularity is fucking awesome.Fuck whats attractive, this isnt mens bikini.
Well, true. And I was the same when I was younger. But you’ll probably outgrow that desire as you age. Most of us do.
Megadick3000
Well-known Member
I like vascularity when i want to look like a giant walking penis everywhere i go. Which is most days. I mean comon, my user name checks out.
EamonDeValera
Banned
This has nothing to do with the post, but.....
Has anyone here tried EQ?
I never actually heard of anyone that used it.
Has anyone here tried EQ?
I never actually heard of anyone that used it.
