EQ - the way to go vascular?

[Athlete127]

My ejection fraction on an echo cardio gram has always been between 50-60. I was sent for an mri on my heart due to the elevated resting hr which then found the ejection fraction to be 39%. I am now hearing mixed reviews from my cardiologist that an mri not have been the best way to measure as it is too precise and an echo is the standard. They still haven’t attributed the high resting hr to anything. They tried saying it was anxiety and they tried a small dose of bisoprolol I was on that for 1 year and now my resting heart rate hovers around 70. I’m hoping after my septoplasty for deviated septum and I can breathe normal again I will be doing a lot more cardio and lowering that. I stay on the 5mg of ramipril now however I am debating buying telmisartan myself and switching over to see if there’s a difference. I was told from a heart transplant specialist that ramipril is very cardio protective and is a good medicine to have in my daily regimen

thats good that you caught it man. Alot of people don't catch it in time...

 

[eery]

Bro - all of your posts are way to scientific and long - way to deep - get a life

i really appreciate his posts and how in detail and specific he is. Dont hate.

 

[Type-IIx]

so again, tell me what testosterone without the aromotization properties is....

I could talk all day about what testosterone is without aromatization properties. You want to have this convo here? I'm not sure @Ironman 580 will be happy, but we can talk drugs, I'm free today. Though I was hoping to do something a bit more productive!

 

[cmK9s33]

try adding more red meat and green leafy veggies but I dont think itll bring it up much

Yeah, I mean there is room for more red meat but I already get a pretty decent helping of green vegetables. At least 15oz/day. Graned, I know that meat has the more readily absorbed heme iron. So you're correct that more red meat is something I should at least try.

he said nothing worked for him lol. alot of people use EPO safely. of course I would never put anyone on it

Well, not that nothing worked lol. I said "I'm always looking for ways to increase it. Test doesn't move it very much." And no test doesn't do much for my hemoglobin at all. If I'm only using TRT levels of test, my HgB will be at near medically anemic values. I know some guys complain that basic TRT amounts of test skyrocket their CBC values to unhealthy levels.

Also, EQ has worked for me to increase HgB but never to remotely dangerous levels. The highest HgB I've recorded was 15.7 after 500mg of test and EQ for 20 weeks. The length of the ester is a bit off-putting though. So, other methods/drugs to increase it always grab my attention.

I must have missed that he'd tried everything. Has @cmK9s33 tried EQ?

If he hasn't tried EQ, you'd actually tell him to use EPO, because some people have used it and lived to tell the tale? People surviving in spite of misuse = safe bro?

I have used EQ but not in very large doses. The long acting ester has usually made me err on the side of choosing lower doses in the past (500mg at most). I've used it with the primary intent of it being a performance enhancer and secondarily as an anabolic agent. It did seem to help performance and provide a seemingly modest boost to Hgb, but in actuality it was a significant one for me.

My question was more with the intent of using something as an HRT add-on. My HgB is typically low 13's while on TRT, and (as I said in my first post to mac11wildcat) Im always looking for ways to increase it. I should have been a bit more specific I suppose.

As to EPO, honestly I'm typically so far from the danger zone (and I have a home rbc/hgb tester) that I would be interested to try it if I could source it more easily and reliably. But figuring out the iron deficiency would probably be necessary to get the benefit of EPO.

 

[Athlete127]

I could talk all day about what testosterone is without aromatization properties. You want to have this convo here? I'm not sure @Ironman 580 will be happy, but we can talk drugs, I'm free today. Though I was hoping to do something a bit more productive!

running test and anti estrogens is going to be a bit more unhealthy all around bc the anti e

now if you run primo or mast which have the same properties to offset estrogen you dont have to use an anti e (increases the androgen to estrogen ratio)

you will see the same gains... and blood work will be be better....

I am done arguing. everyone has their ways they do things. Some are a bit more carless than others. I just choose not to be careless anymore.

Make sure you stay on your blood work, ct scan, echos and urinalysis guys

 

[Type-IIx]

running test and anti estrogens is going to be a bit more unhealthy all around bc the anti e

now if you run primo or mast which have the same properties to offset estrogen you dont have to use an anti e (increases the androgen to estrogen ratio)

you will see the same gains... and blood work will be be better....

If you say so, I put my faith in your absolute confidence that all androgens are equipotent and focus on teh bloodz.

In seriousness, I think that bloodwork is necessary (baseline/cruise, 6 weeks into blast, post-blast, 6 mo intervals while cruising) as a guide to titrate up/lower dosages, but it's very important to have an appreciable understanding of the cardiac changes (morphological/ left ventricular, diastolic function) that teh bloodz miss, and that accumulate rapidly. Bloodwork is vital, but it's just a piece of the puzzle in health monitoring, and overreliance can be dangerous.

 

[brutalbuilt]

exactly what I said. Top coaches and bodybuilders arent using EQ anymore.

where you hear that? ive watched almost all episodes on fouads podcast and most of the top ifbb pros use eq in the offseason that he talked to on there

 

[Athlete127]

where you hear that? ive watched almost all episodes on fouads podcast and most of the top ifbb pros use eq in the offseason that he talked to on there

hear? I work with alot and know alot
I will have to ask him about that today. I dont watch it

 

[effswithtren]

I think EQ sucks but that’s just me. It’s important to remember that everyone has their own goals, and is at different stages of their fitness journey. It sucks, for me, because it doesn’t currently align with my goals and where I’m at. Its same properties could align perfectly for someone else.

 

[Plate Smacker]

Lol.....he's been hearing that since high school Skippy..

It's going to be hard for people to believe. I started at 37 and was always asked what gear I take. Everyone was sure I was running gear, when I wasn't. Now it's totally obvious, but I'm natty for life because I live in America where steroids are a no go lol.

 

[tauras66]

It's going to be hard for people to believe. I started at 37 and was always asked what gear I take. Everyone was sure I was running gear, when I wasn't. Now it's totally obvious, but I'm natty for life because I live in America where steroids are a no go lol.

Thanks for the reply. I've been running gear since 1988 and my son is well aware of my usage and we discuss pros and cons all the time. We've been training together for the last 4 years and we are together all the time. He's home when my packs come and he's around my gear all the time. To think, as open as we are about discussing gear, that he's sneaking shots of Test or buying his own gear from a gym dealer for 150 bucks a vial is just a joke. This place really has attracted some idiots since that mass banning. Will he ever do gear??? I'm not sure , but I like to think the fact that I've discussed all the past mistakes I've made and have been open about it has given him pause to start right now. His goals are changing too, wanting to make a career out of BB is no longer what he desires, so I'm hoping that to will keep him natural.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Wow! This thread is something else! More questions brought up than answers on EQ. 8 weeks ago I had been on 500mg/week EQ for 10 weeks and my bloods were fine. I also donated blood about 2 weeks later and my hemocrit looked good. Now I'm scared shitless to get labs done again based on this thread! LOL!

I appreciate all of the science and the arguing and dick measurements are fun to read but nothing even close to definitive answers came from this thread.

Fun shit, though!

 

[JTB3318]

Truth told, when a lot of guys get interested in trying peds, they don't believe the fact that a good physique is built in the kitchen.

They truly believe they will blow up like Arnold by merely walking past the weight bench and taking some steroids.

Eat McDonald's and taco bell 5 times a day and then claim that the source sold them bunk gear because they look worse at the end of their cycle than when they started.

Big macs are one of my favorite performance enhancers haha. Used sparingly, of course.

 

[Habib]

A lot of people Hate on EQ. I'd consider adding it to my cruise dose.

 

[Rido]

I could talk all day about what testosterone is without aromatization properties. You want to have this convo here? I'm not sure @Ironman 580 will be happy, but we can talk drugs, I'm free today. Though I was hoping to do something a bit more productive!

He is never happy unless you are calling someone a "pussy ass bitch"

 

[Country Club Hero]

I don’t understand why anyone would seek being extra vascular. I get ridiculously vascular when lean and on gears and honestly it’s only cool to some of my knucklehead buddies. It’s kinda weird and freaky and not exactly attractive.

 

[eery]

I don’t understand why anyone would seek being extra vascular. I get ridiculously vascular when lean and on gears and honestly it’s only cool to some of my knucklehead buddies. It’s kinda weird and freaky and not exactly attractive.

We are meatheads, vascularity is fucking awesome.Fuck whats attractive, this isnt mens bikini.

 

[Country Club Hero]

We are meatheads, vascularity is fucking awesome.Fuck whats attractive, this isnt mens bikini.

Well, true. And I was the same when I was younger. But you’ll probably outgrow that desire as you age. Most of us do.

 

[Megadick3000]

We are meatheads, vascularity is fucking awesome.Fuck whats attractive, this isnt mens bikini.

I like vascularity when i want to look like a giant walking penis everywhere i go. Which is most days. I mean comon, my user name checks out.

 

[EamonDeValera]

This has nothing to do with the post, but.....

Has anyone here tried EQ?

I never actually heard of anyone that used it.