Favourite cycle during growth faze

THATS THE THING!!! We both started 3 years ago and I was locked in, and he was not. AND IM NOT NATTY! HE IS.
He looks like stage ready in a few months.

I still train and locked in totally. But when I saw my natty friend sure stung a little from the mass he got. :(
This is what frustrates me.

I know I could change your life if we knew each other, and show you what you are doing wrong.

When I see guys like yourself who want it bad, try hard and don’t get results give up mentally and pin it on genes I want to scream.

I know for a fact they are just misinformed and very likely simply need lifting and diet adjustment and someone who has been there to tear it down and break it down for them.

As for your pics. You are ABSOLUTELY capable of much more. Even naturally. That said, you are getting muscle tone, some striations, and a little bit of size.

Don’t bash yourself. Getting there and pioneering new ground is always harder than going back. You should take pride in your progress.

You are better than 90% of males in the world. Don’t give it up, you WILL figure it out
 
500-750 test e
900-1200mq eq
400mg tren e
1/3rd vial qsc gh (12-13.33iu/day)
Insulin pre and post workout

Feel like you grow fast and lean on this. Tren and gh really counters fat gain, while test/eq/slin really drive the growth

Crazy, bro must be open league

You think open guys run 500-750 test?

who knows bodybuilding is only genes sport rigged from birth.
They prob pin more just to be sure ahahahah

Who knows? Why ask this like it is unknowable? Several pros are very open about this stuff. Fouad Abiad has asked just about every pro bodybuilder guest on his show about dosages. They almost all fall into the range of a 1000mg to 1500mg base dosage of testosterone, with most around the 1200 to 1300mg mark. Plus other things.

Also, almost all of them admit to doing a lot more when trying to add size, sometimes a whole lot more. Most of them say it was not worth it, sides, diminishing returns, that sort of thing.

Now, many of them might be influenced to answer by knowing that is what so many others have said before them on the show, but I tend to believe it. If they were trying to do "harm reduction" by lying, well, 1.5grams is not exactly harm reduction to influence the teenagers, is it? Neither is admitting to doing 3 to 5 grams of testosterone cycles in the past. And that is just the testosterone base. Deca EQ Tren, orals like anadrol, all of this is on top of the testosterone base.

I do not see a good reason not to take these guys at their word.

This is not one or two guys, but dozens of open class IFBB guys.
 
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