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First Cycle Test P / Test E

Test E or Test P? OR Both??

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Kobrah

Kobrah

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This is my first cycle. I have both Testosterone Propionate, as well as Testosterone Enanthate, also I have Deca as well.. But I'm NOT running that with my first cycle. I have a trusted source, where there have been many lab tests done, so I'm pretty confident in the quality of the gear.

Here's some background info on me:

I'm 180 lbs, 6'2, 6-7%bf, and 21 years old.I get it, I'm not old enough, but let's save the debates for a later thread, I'm doing it anyways.
I eat 7-9 Quality Meals a day, and get 8-.5 hours of quality sleep nightly, plus occasional 10-20 minute naps, if I can. I gain average 2-3 pounds a month, and my weight gain has started to plateau over time.. as expected..

My goals are to just gain 15-20lbs of lean muscle that will stick, for the first cycle, so let's not kid ourselves because as guys say on here "I've never heard of someone only doing 1 cycle".
I'd ecstatic If I blew up 20-30lbs or more (Even if it's water and glyco) off this cycle, but I don't think it will be that dramatic..I've always been a skinny kid, but I think mainly because of bad nutrition, and diet, (as my dad at my age was big. and his current age is 5'10 235-240lbs., and 9-10% bf (younger age it was 6-7%), and has been natty his whole Life) so I know my genetics are good.



I'm going to cycle Growth Hormone 3-6 months in addition to my AAS. 7-10 iu's a ED. (Wouldn't mind some input on this too.)
Possibly insulin too. Give your thoughts on running insulin on or off my AAS cycle, but paired with GH. I have ran an insulin cycle before, so I understand how to use it fine just curious on running it with or without a cycle would be safe, or more beneficial.



So that's some info about me, I think it should be enough for you guys to get an idea.



I was thinking of either doing a cycle w/ Enanthate or Prop. Or a Test/Prop cycle together.

If Enanthate I would do:

12 weeks:
Test E 500/week
hcg 250iu 2x/week

3-6months Growth Hormone 7-10iu's ED


pct
clomid
Nolfa


If Prop I would do:

8-10 Weeks:
Prop 100 EOD
HCG 250IU 2x/week

Growth Hormone 3-6months 7-10 iu's ED

PCT

pct
clomid
Nolfa

If Prop/Test

12 Weeks:
Weeks 1-2 Prop 100 EOD
Weeks 1-10 Enathate 300/Week
Weeks 10-12 Prop 100 EOD
HCG 250IU 2x/week

Growth Hormone 3-6 months 7-10 iu's ED

PCT
pct
clomid
Nolfa


Thanks ahead for the info or input!
 
I did both. Test e for 12 weeks, followed by 2 weeks of prop. Waited a week after last prop injection to start pct. I figured I'd still be shut down for those 2 weeks while the long ester cleared, so might as well pin some prop!
 
BuckEighty said:
I did both. Test e for 12 weeks, followed by 2 weeks of prop. Waited a week after last prop injection to start pct. I figured I'd still be shut down for those 2 weeks while the long ester cleared, so might as well pin some prop!
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Really? how did that work out for you? I've heard to wait 1-3 weeks before starting that PCT but wasn't too sure on when exactly to, no real solid agreements that I've found yet!
 
The e/p cycle looks good, but 7-10 IUs of GH is a fuck ton of GH .

Personally, I'd up the doses to 500/week test E and 125 EOD test P, but that's just me.
 
Kobrah said:
This is my first cycle. I have both Testosterone Propionate, as well as Testosterone Enanthate, also I have Deca as well.. But I'm NOT running that with my first cycle. I have a trusted source, where there have been many lab tests done, so I'm pretty confident in the quality of the gear.

Here's some background info on me:

I'm 180 lbs, 6'2, 6-7%bf, and 21 years old.I get it, I'm not old enough, but let's save the debates for a later thread, I'm doing it anyways.
I eat 7-9 Quality Meals a day, and get 8-.5 hours of quality sleep nightly, plus occasional 10-20 minute naps, if I can. I gain average 2-3 pounds a month, and my weight gain has started to plateau over time.. as expected..

My goals are to just gain 15-20lbs of lean muscle that will stick, for the first cycle, so let's not kid ourselves because as guys say on here "I've never heard of someone only doing 1 cycle".
I'd ecstatic If I blew up 20-30lbs or more (Even if it's water and glyco) off this cycle, but I don't think it will be that dramatic..I've always been a skinny kid, but I think mainly because of bad nutrition, and diet, (as my dad at my age was big. and his current age is 5'10 235-240lbs., and 9-10% bf (younger age it was 6-7%), and has been natty his whole Life) so I know my genetics are good.



I'm going to cycle Growth Hormone 3-6 months in addition to my AAS. 7-10 iu's a ED. (Wouldn't mind some input on this too.)
Possibly insulin too. Give your thoughts on running insulin on or off my AAS cycle, but paired with GH. I have ran an insulin cycle before, so I understand how to use it fine just curious on running it with or without a cycle would be safe, or more beneficial.



So that's some info about me, I think it should be enough for you guys to get an idea.



I was thinking of either doing a cycle w/ Enanthate or Prop. Or a Test/Prop cycle together.

If Enanthate I would do:

12 weeks:
Test E 500/week
hcg 250iu 2x/week

3-6months Growth Hormone 7-10iu's ED


pct
clomid
Nolfa


If Prop I would do:

8-10 Weeks:
Prop 100 EOD
HCG 250IU 2x/week

Growth Hormone 3-6months 7-10 iu's ED

PCT

pct
clomid
Nolfa

If Prop/Test

12 Weeks:
Weeks 1-2 Prop 100 EOD
Weeks 1-10 Enathate 300/Week
Weeks 10-12 Prop 100 EOD
HCG 250IU 2x/week

Growth Hormone 3-6 months 7-10 iu's ED

PCT
pct
clomid
Nolfa


Thanks ahead for the info or input!
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OK. Your first cycle and your 21. I'm not gonna rip you( I should), but growth and insulin!! Get the fuk out of here with that. That pisses me off way more then your age. Kick start with prop for 4 weeks and the test e at 500mg per week. Your pct is OK. Heads up. More advanced members will light you up on your age.
 
Test_Subject said:
The e/p cycle looks good, but 7-10 IUs of GH is a fuck ton of GH.

Personally, I'd up the doses to 500/week test E and 125 EOD test P, but that's just me.
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You think that'd be okay for a first cycle? I just want to have somewhere to go on my later cycles. Also it is alot! I meant to say 2IU's Twice daily or 7-10 3-4 times weekly... My mistake sorry! Thanks for that catch.
 
hurricane said:
OK. Your first cycle and your 21. I'm not gonna rip you( I should), but growth and insulin!! Get the fuk out of here with that. That pisses me off way more then your age. Kick start with prop for 4 weeks and the test e at 500mg per week. Your pct is OK. Heads up. More advanced members will light you up on your age.
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Thank you for the advice! I appreciate it.
 
Kobrah said:
You think that'd be okay for a first cycle? I just want to have somewhere to go on my later cycles. Also it is alot! I meant to say 2IU's Twice daily or 7-10 3-4 times weekly... My mistake sorry! Thanks for that catch.
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Dude! Lay off the fukin GH and insulin on your first cycle!!!! Your fukin 21. Anyone who tells you to use either on a first cycle is fukin retarded.
 
Kobrah said:
You think that'd be okay for a first cycle? I just want to have somewhere to go on my later cycles. Also it is alot! I meant to say 2IU's Twice daily or 7-10 3-4 times weekly... My mistake sorry! Thanks for that catch.
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You'll have tons of room to grow at 500mg for quite a few cycles if your diet and training are kosher.

I just noticed that you're 21. You should really wait a few years. That's too young to be on gear. Like others have said, drop the GH if you insist on starting this early. 500mg test e with a prop kickstart and finish will work wonders.
 
hurricane said:
Look through my posts and I give that same advice. Test only. Shit, at 39 that's still all I do. And no they don't get it.
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It's just fucking annoying because these guys won't stick around to learn and contribute just get an answer and if it's not the one they want they won't listen any fucking way. I never had to ask what a first cycle should consist of all I had to do was read! Read! Read! Read! It's typically the same answer over and over. Even on other forums. Pretty fucking easy to decipher.
 
First....you obviously have a dietary issue at 6ft 2in 180 lbs. You are no where near your natty potential and right now you should have the best growth of your life natty.
2nd...you are gonna fuck up yourself soooo bad but it doesnt matter cuz "your gonna do it anyway"
3rd....your not using the deca but will use gh and insulin....invest in a casket cuz your gonna need one.
.....listen to the older guys here. They will all tell you with the age and stats you posted you are NOT ready for aas.
....do you have bloodwork you can post?
.....maybe a pic so we can at least see how far your along in development. Although you may think you are ready for aas.....you really need to seriously listen to what Im saying as well as some of the other older guys. We really have nothing to gain but you do have alot to lose.
 
Do3Gs said:
It's just fucking annoying because these guys won't stick around to learn and contribute just get an answer and if it's not the one they want they won't listen any fucking way. I never had to ask what a first cycle should consist of all I had to do was read! Read! Read! Read! It's typically the same answer over and over. Even on other forums. Pretty fucking easy to decipher.
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They see what others do and think that's for me. Half the time I don't think these fukrs are taking half the shit they say. And the irresponsibility of some members drives me crazy. You shouldn't be encouraging this idiotic behavior.
 
Throwback said:
First....you obviously have a dietary issue at 6ft 2in 180 lbs. You are no where near your natty potential and right now you should have the best growth of your life natty.
2nd...you are gonna fuck up yourself soooo bad but it doesnt matter cuz "your gonna do it anyway"
3rd....your not using the deca but will use gh and insulin....invest in a casket cuz your gonna need one.
.....listen to the older guys here. They will all tell you with the age and stats you posted you are NOT ready for aas.
....do you have bloodwork you can post?
.....maybe a pic so we can at least see how far your along in development. Although you may think you are ready for aas.....you really need to seriously listen to what Im saying as well as some of the other older guys. We really have nothing to gain but you do have alot to lose.
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Fuck. I didn't even actually read his stats. Just got irritated and posted. Fuck. Listen to this and the others.
 
Dont do the gh you idiot. you're already doing severe permanent irreversible damage by injecting testosterone, don't make things worse
 
Like everyone else said you shouldn't use at your age but if you are going to do it, then use test only! Hgh and insulin has fucked up more people than you can imagine. If you fucked up on dosing you could even die. So hold of on them for about a decade lol.

I still think you shouldn't use but if you did I would use prop to coast into pct and if you have enough you can use it as a jump start. Personally I would just use prop and run a 6-8 week cycle at most and do proper PCT. The goal being to restart your hpta as fast as possible. Good luck
 
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