AlphaLife
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AlphaLife
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Prior tests have all been subQ. Never done IM. Not going to change because bro science says it makes a difference. It doesn't.
I checked baseline from last year, 3.3. Kefai serum, done exactly the same method was 15.3.
I checked baseline from last year, 3.3. Kefai serum, done exactly the same method was 15.3.
AlphaLife
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None of this means much in isolation anyway.
- In relation to my baseline, there is just under 200% increase.
- And vs Kefai -50%.
The Assays will tell the whole story.
- In relation to my baseline, there is just under 200% increase.
- And vs Kefai -50%.
The Assays will tell the whole story.
It's not bro science. It's fact.
Around 3hr for IM and 3.5-4hr for Subq.
You keep saying baseline? Baseline only matters for IGF testing. There is no "baseline" for gh serums.
Around 3hr for IM and 3.5-4hr for Subq.
You keep saying baseline? Baseline only matters for IGF testing. There is no "baseline" for gh serums.
legendary
Well-known Member
Thanks for contributing
Also, I agree that the assay will tell all, but you can't compare a sub q gh serum done at 3 hours to a IM gh serum done at 3 hours. They peak at different times and that's why the standard way of doing the gh serum was agreed upon.
I always pin my right delt IM when doing serums; does it matter if I used my left? Probably not, but I'd prefer they all be replicated exactly.
I always pin my right delt IM when doing serums; does it matter if I used my left? Probably not, but I'd prefer they all be replicated exactly.
AlphaLife
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I'm not comparing subQ to IM. You are. All my tests have been done the same. And if the 30 minutes difference would increase serums...how much? From the chart you posted...negligible at best. In fact, the chart you posted looks closer to 3 hours where peak is and 3.5 it starts to fall.
There's no baseline GH serum? I understand that GH is produced in pulses, and it is therefore hard to establish a true "baseline," but 3.3 is a reading I got early morning based on my natural rhythm and I believe useful for comparison purposes.
Keep picking your nits. The assays are what matter to me.
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AlphaLife
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Damn...they must have a hell of a queue. If the assays come back decent, I'll do IGF1. Been on about 6 weeks.
godt240
Subscriber
normally,when people get gh, if they r rush to know about this gh, they run gh serum at the first days, if they run 2 weeks, they'd rather do IGF1 test than serum test, or both together. coz igf1 level is more stable by days, but gh serum varies by hours. i also saw many labs, IGF1 level is very high, but gh serum is normal. so u couldn't say that because of low serum, its not useful to run IGF1 test.
AlphaLife
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I have not ever done baseline IGF so what would we be comparing my score to? We know nothing about my body's natural IGF levels.
On the other hand, I have done other GH tests before so I thought it would be more useful/provide more context with serums in my case. I know more from this myself than I would with IGF scores that have no baseline comp. At least I can compare this serum to another serum I did in the past and my GH serum taken before I ever administered exogenous GH. I am happy to help the forum and that is what I am doing, but I also want to see how MY body reacts compared to it's natural state and other GH I've run in the past.
Maybe I will do IGF at the end of this kit, then go off for a few weeks and do baseline IGF so we have the whole picture.
On the other hand, I have done other GH tests before so I thought it would be more useful/provide more context with serums in my case. I know more from this myself than I would with IGF scores that have no baseline comp. At least I can compare this serum to another serum I did in the past and my GH serum taken before I ever administered exogenous GH. I am happy to help the forum and that is what I am doing, but I also want to see how MY body reacts compared to it's natural state and other GH I've run in the past.
Maybe I will do IGF at the end of this kit, then go off for a few weeks and do baseline IGF so we have the whole picture.
godt240
Subscriber
i really appreciate for your labs, bro
i didnt say u r wrong, i just try to tell u my proposition on the labs from my experience.
its not so accurate to compare the gh serum level, as the gh serum level itself is not so accurate to determine the quality of gh.
as IGF1 Level is more stable. normally the baseline is 90-150 without running gh in the past 2 weeks. so after u run gh for 3 weeks or more, if IGF1 < 200, its not good. if its > 300, it could tell that gh infect your body.
and plus, u get the sides of gh,right?
and serum 11.4 is not decent number, but its far to be bunk. and from 11.4 to 15, not big difference comparing some guys touch 35.7. maybe after 15 min, your gh serum touch 15, who knows?
so my opinion : we dont need spend much time to argue the gh seum, hope more IGF1 test come out and assay as well. thanks
Please don't think I'm bashing you, I'm merely trying to understand your thought. As stated by you, your morning reading is what "you believe?" With no study to back this up, wouldn't you be following your own "bro science?" I'm not very familiar with GH, but what study did you base this off of for a morning reading?
Are you saying because someone gets sides this means the GH is good? Please explain how I would use sides to tell me how much GH I have per vial?
godt240
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i didn't say the sides determine 100% if its gh or not. but at least its one of good sign. if u use only water, u wouldnt get those sides.
If I injected GH at 10IU daily I would get sides even if the vial was dosed at half of the label advertised dose correct?
Please don't tell members to use sides for judging their GH, or any PED. This only tells members who are not familiar with GH that sides mean good GH in the vial.
Please don't tell members to use sides for judging their GH, or any PED. This only tells members who are not familiar with GH that sides mean good GH in the vial.
Deepwaters1987
New Member
From what I read it was supposed to be IM. I don't know for sure but I think that would make your score higher. Can't remember the reasons why. I would have to find the thread again. Everything I read could be bro science too. Then again it probably wouldn't matter as long as it was done the same way on every serum test. That's the only way to compare your scores to each other. FYI I know next to nothing about what I'm talking about so take it with a grain of salt lol
Edit: @noswttea4u said what I was thinking but had to proof. Should have kept reading before I posted.
godt240
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he runs it for 6 weeks, not only one day.
i repeat : i didnt judge the quality of gh by the sides, but at least its one of indicators
Look, I'm not debating this. I do understand GH isn't a 1 time injection like a vaccine.
By your theory, if someone gets bad sides, red rash, lump from injections, this means the GH is bad then correct? You can run GH for a year and still get sides from under dosed GH! It's not a way to test GH quality, dose, or purity! You sir are misleading members.
By your theory, if someone gets bad sides, red rash, lump from injections, this means the GH is bad then correct? You can run GH for a year and still get sides from under dosed GH! It's not a way to test GH quality, dose, or purity! You sir are misleading members.
godt240
Subscriber
u misunderstood me.
sides couldnt determine if its gh or not, but its one of indicators.
i didn't say the red welt indicate the bad gh, even pharma gh could give someone red welt sometimes.
u said u still get sides of under dosed gh, yes, under dosed gh is still gh, not bunk.
i didnt say sides determine good quality gh or not. i said the sides is one of indicators to tell if its gh or not.
i dont mislead the members, u misunderstood me .
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