Godtropin IGF Bloodwork

[Marcus]

It'll be great to see what happens when you start serostim.

Found pharma for $60. (5mg)

That's crazy good prices. Mind sharing the source or they private?

 

[Marcus]

Marcus YOUR generic GH comparisons would be much more meaningful if you had a legitimate PHARMA for comparison.

And that's important bc hepatic IGF production can vary considerably from one individual to the next.

Of course another HUGE problem is the batch to batch quantitative variability of GGH

Completely agree dr Jim. Serostim is next up after I finish some of these black tops

 

[Dr JIM]

It'll be great to see what happens when you start serostim.

Found pharma for $60. (5mg)

Seros are the number one counterfeited pharma product on the market today.

@Marcus if you can stick with a U.S. Pharma product.

However if Seros are your only option
INSIST upon documentation that PROVES its Pharma AND I'll get it tested for you fella.

I'll tell you EVERY Sero obtained thru the net that I've tested was a FAKE, with a QQ that was no better than GTs.

And I'll also let you guys know why your paying considerably more for Sero's ----- the counterfeiting is some of the best I've ever seen, from the "box" to the ID and lot numbers.

 

[Naugahyde]

The greys tested at 7 and 8 units and I also said those were underdosed. I then ALSO scored nearly 700 on 8 units of black tops sour theory is debunked buddy.

Literally shows that I wasn't even banging 8 units at half a vial per day of GT.

That's a shame mate.
Just as I was starting to think maybe Godt were GTG, after being super sceptical all this time - now this.

 

[Marcus]

That's a shame mate.
Just as I was starting to think maybe Godt were GTG, after being super sceptical all this time - now this.

I don't doubt that some of it is good. The issue and my issue all along was consistency... as is demonstrated here

 

[Rockclimber]

Marcus YOUR generic GH comparisons would be much more meaningful if you had a legitimate PHARMA for comparison.

And that's important bc hepatic IGF production can vary considerably from one individual to the next.

Of course another HUGE problem is the batch to batch quantitative variability of GGH

I mean the fact GTs are labeled as 24IUs but are considerably short of that mark when formally analysed, has many folk wonder how many IUs they
are running.

Sounds like it may be time to run some more GGH assays, what you think @mands ?

This time @mands and I will include a few MALDIs so you folk can better understand that particular assays limitations and/or utility.

That would be amazing if you did assays again. Thank you for always contributing so much to this site!

 

[Doug_S]

Marcus YOUR generic GH comparisons would be much more meaningful if you had a legitimate PHARMA for comparison.

And that's important bc hepatic IGF production can vary considerably from one individual to the next.

Of course another HUGE problem is the batch to batch quantitative variability of GGH

I mean the fact GTs are labeled as 24IUs but are considerably short of that mark when formally analysed, has many folk wonder how many IUs they
are running.

Sounds like it may be time to run some more GGH assays, what you think @mands ?

This time @mands and I will include a few MALDIs so you folk can better understand that particular assays limitations and/or utility.

LOL, MALDI can literally SEQUENCE the peptide if you so desire and are willing to pay.

Two weeks ago you were saying MALDI was oranges and AAA was apples....

Now you're an expert whose going to explain to the rest of us it's application.

 

[Dr JIM]

To date, Sero manufacturers are
just not as sincere about limiting
counterfeiting efforts.

Why else does this company continue to rely upon a separate vial and syringe system for most of their products.

Compare the to US GH manufactures who all now use a
Monoject apparatus in which the Solvent (recon liquid) and Solute (GH powder) are both contained within ONE SYRINGE.

Heck to further detour counterfeiting Humatrope has embedded much of their syringe lettering BETWEEN layers of plastic!

Now guess which product has the
"best" QQ wo exception ?

 

[Naugahyde]

I don't doubt that some of it is good. The issue and my issue all along was consistency... as is demonstrated here

Yea some of it is good - but the question is - is that good enough?
Inconsistency, welts, claimed 'overdosed vials' - I just want consistent quality gear that is what it says it is, at the quantity stated. Not too much to ask is it? But at a lower price point, maybe we just have to accept it is!

 

[Naugahyde]

LOL, MALDI can literally SEQUENCE the peptide if you so desire and are willing to pay.

Two weeks ago you were saying MALDI was oranges and AAA was apples....

Now you're an expert whose going to explain to the rest of us it's application.

Lol, here we go again...

 

[mghoward74]

Seros are the number one counterfeited pharma product on the market today.

@Marcus if you can stick with a U.S. Pharma product.

However if Seros are your only option
INSIST upon documentation that PROVES its Pharma AND I'll get it tested for you fella.

I'll tell you EVERY Sero obtained thru the net that I've tested was a FAKE, with a QQ that was no better than GTs.

And I'll also let you guys know why your paying considerably more for Sero's ----- the counterfeiting is some of the best I've ever seen, from the "box" to the ID and lot numbers.

Oh I'm not using seros, I'll be using xenedrip.

I've always been weary about buying pharma gh through ugl sources. I'd rather go straight to the pharmacy myself.

I'll be picking up some after my vacay. I'll post pics

 

[Doug_S]

Lol, here we go again...

For those who don't understand. MALDI is a mass Spectrometery method that uses Lazer pulses to ionize the material.

Old Mass spec methods cleaved the molecule in different places and we're hard on it. The laser of MALDI is much better at cleavage of small molecules into ions making it ideal for proteins.

The ions are passed through an evacuated chamber and a magnetic field which moves the molecule. Based upon how far the molecule moves you can determine what the molecule is.
MALDI is ultra sensitive and can actually sequence the protein, not just give a relative ratio like AAA.

It also takes a picture and compares it to known molecules in a database.

The only thing it cannot do is actually show the 3D structure. It is the most accurate system out there today.

 

[Dr JIM]

1) MALDI can literally SEQUENCE the peptide if you so desire and are willing to pay.

2) Two weeks ago you were saying MALDI was oranges and AAA was apples....

Now you're an expert whose going to explain to the rest of us it's application.

1) WRONG again! Good God you clearly don't know WTF your talking about, MALDI per se can't "sequence" SQUAT.

But "Do Nut" do tell what assay is
primarily used to determine GH sequencing?

3) The primary purpose of MALDI is to determine the MOLECULAR WEIGHT of a samples constituent
compounds.

2) WRONG Amino Acid Analysis and MALDI have different applications DO-NUT. And if used by those who know WTF they are doing the results can be complimentary or confirmatory

So what you were hired as some lab rat and now can be relied upon to provide reliable info, most of Mesos members know better.

So what you selling Clown!

 

[Dr JIM]

1) MALDI is ultra sensitive and can actually sequence the protein, not just give a relative ratio like AAA.



2) The only thing it cannot do is actually show the 3D structure. It is the most accurate system out there today

.

1) ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT post any evidence MALDI can provide GH sequencing info!

2) What changing your tune so soon DO NOT bc you clearly implied, unlike an AAA, MALDI could provide info on a compounds "tertiary" structure!

More BULLSHIT!

 

[Doug_S]

1) WRONG again! Good God you clearly don't know WTF your talking about, MALDI per se can't "sequence" SQUAT.

But "Do Nut" do tell what assay is
primarily used to determine GH sequencing?

3) The primary purpose of MALDI is to determine the MOLECULAR WEIGHT of a samples constituent
compounds.

2) WRONG Amino Acid Analysis and MALDI have different applications DO-NUT. And if used by those who know WTF they are doing the results can be complimentary or confirmatory

So what you were hired as some lab rat and now can be relied upon to provide reliable info, most of Mesos members know better.

So what you selling Clown!

You're an idiot. MALDI can sequence and is especially useful in protein analysis which is too fragile for a lot of MS applications.

AAA only gives you a relative ratio of amino acids which as been stated to you by every chemist on the board.

I am selling the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Here is a link that describes how MALDI is used to sequence
MALDI-TOF DNA Sequencing

You did not even know what MALDI was two weeks ago and still don't know it's a Mass spec methods.

The emperor has no clothes. I am selling what you say you are. You are full of shit and giving erroneous advice and every chemist here has called you out. Count me in with them.

 

[Doug_S]

1) ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT post any evidence MALDI can provide GH sequencing info!

2) What changing your tune so soon DO NOT bc you clearly implied, unlike an AAA, MALDI could provide info on a compounds "tertiary" structure!

More BULLSHIT!

No sir. I said YOU said AAA could. It's there in black and white. Everyone can go look.

I have never seen a person like you insist they are right when they are proven wrong.

You're the fucking KellyAnn Conway of steroids

 

[Doug_S]

And for the record the quote came from you, complaining to The Analyzer about HOW could MALDI show the folding like AAA.

Analyzer bitch slapped you and told you that AAA cannot show a tertiary structure because the hydrolysis before the HPLC segment digest the protein into AA and it just shows relative ratio.

You are so ignorant you did not even realize an acid digestion is the first step in AAA.

It's one PAGE 5 of the GOdT thread here. Everyone go read it and see how little Dr Jim actually knows.

 

[Naugahyde]

No sir. I said YOU said AAA could. It's there in black and white. Everyone can go look.

I have never seen a person like you insist they are right when they are proven wrong.

You're the fucking KellyAnn Conway of steroids

Lol, Like it!

 

[Dr JIM]

No sir. I said YOU said AAA could. It's there in black and white. Everyone can go look.

I have never seen a person like you insist they are right when they are proven wrong.

You're the fucking KellyAnn Conway of steroids

Then prove me WRONG and post evidence a MALDI can provide GH"sequencing" info, bc this comment is ABSOLUTELY ABSURD!

And "DO NUT" don't forget to reply to my request; NAME the assay which is primarily utilized to provide GH sequencing info???

 

[janoshik]

Sounds like it may be time to run some more GGH assays, what you think @mands ?

This time @mands and I will include a few MALDIs so you folk can better understand that particular assays limitations and/or utility.

I think @mands is smarter than to make fool out of himself by listening to you and your 'scientific knowledge' again.

Mands?