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Marcus
New Member
Seriously? That's insane. Who said it's that batch? Cause I know Analyzer didn't receive a whole kit so he couldn't have known what batch it was. Had to be Matt who said so
janoshik
Subscriber
Is it the same batch as the one that I had tested?
Ripped
New Member
You also tested I guess he sent the same batch to both of yall.
Marcus
New Member
How do you know Jano tested the same batch? I didn't see that anywhere
Ripped
New Member
He just stated it.and also posted the results awhile back.
Marcus
New Member
Who just posted it? Jano?
He asked a question. Did I miss something
Ripped
New Member
You're right my bad I thought he was making a statement will have to go back and look to see if it's the same batch.
Marcus
New Member
It doesn't matter man... I'm not stressing about it. My labwork is what it is and people can make their own decision, for the price the kits are still not bad. But who knows when they will be completely bunk, that's what worries me
I don't think Matt sent off some great vial for testing only for good results to scam people. I think the batch numbers may be somewhat meaningless or storage is poor.
For me, I won't be purchasing again as I'm super disappointed with how Matt handled it, and that is the sole reason why
Michael Aro
New Member
Thank you for doing the test for us. I was always on the fence with GodT. I'm glad I held off buying from him. I've been watching his thread here and other boards. He is peddling his wares everywhere. Will stick to black and grays for now.
Eman
Master
That is literally the worst excuse I've ever seen.
His IGF came back low on your product... If you had any sense, you'd refund him his money so people wouldn't see you as a scammer because that's all you're going to be seen as if you don't give him back his money.
Rockclimber
Well-known Member
OMG, good catch. That test showed an overdosed vial, over 24iu. That brings up so many questions.
godt240
Subscriber
igf1 is also effected by many factors,as capacity of liver, the medicine u took etc.
your liver can't convert all gh u pin to IGF1. more than 8iu, its kinda of wast, coz your liver can't absorb all gh.
u cant calculate IGF1 in your body simple by dose. for ex, 10iu,3h, serum is 35. so u pin 100iu, 3h, the serum will be 350, right? actually, even pin 24iu, the serum is not more than 40.
and plus, 2 people pin same vial gh 10iu, wait 3h, the serum will be different . even same people, different day, same vial gh 10iu, 3h, the serum is not the same neither.
and if u take some steroids, like master,tren, etc, and also anti estrogen , all those stuff can effect IGF1.
if u take 4iu-6iu per day, maybe u can get same IGF1, since 5 years, i saw so many blood test, 500s is already very good number, but 400s is also medium and high level.
but u guys only calculate igf1 level in your body simple by dose, its ridiculous. and u see other good blood tests, u just think its normal, once one blood test came out not as u expect, then all u guys start to accuse the source like crazy, u never think about the other factors, and u guys just force the source to admit that the gh is bad. its totally ridiculous.
dont worry, u dont need to buy from me again, and i sell higher price on other boards, still always out of stock, i don't have enough gh to offer here with cheapest price. what i got is always non stop drama and non stop accusation
your liver can't convert all gh u pin to IGF1. more than 8iu, its kinda of wast, coz your liver can't absorb all gh.
u cant calculate IGF1 in your body simple by dose. for ex, 10iu,3h, serum is 35. so u pin 100iu, 3h, the serum will be 350, right? actually, even pin 24iu, the serum is not more than 40.
and plus, 2 people pin same vial gh 10iu, wait 3h, the serum will be different . even same people, different day, same vial gh 10iu, 3h, the serum is not the same neither.
and if u take some steroids, like master,tren, etc, and also anti estrogen , all those stuff can effect IGF1.
if u take 4iu-6iu per day, maybe u can get same IGF1, since 5 years, i saw so many blood test, 500s is already very good number, but 400s is also medium and high level.
but u guys only calculate igf1 level in your body simple by dose, its ridiculous. and u see other good blood tests, u just think its normal, once one blood test came out not as u expect, then all u guys start to accuse the source like crazy, u never think about the other factors, and u guys just force the source to admit that the gh is bad. its totally ridiculous.
dont worry, u dont need to buy from me again, and i sell higher price on other boards, still always out of stock, i don't have enough gh to offer here with cheapest price. what i got is always non stop drama and non stop accusation
Naugahyde
Well-known Member
If he offered a refund if testing revealed inferior product he should stick by that promise simple as. Not bail and whinge about 'drama' and lecture about bloodwork variables...
This product is cheap as chips and thats why it's popular and obviously contains 'some' Gh - but it's all too sketchy for me. I'm going with Anso's and if they don't pan out, Grey's. Unless I win the lottery obviously it's Pharma all the way.
Better luck next time mate
Eman
Master
I'd actually agree with several of your points. However, the fact of the matter is, Marcus achieved an X IGF level with blacktops that he didn't achieve with your product. There are a few things that can slightly affect IGF levels, sure... But a good business practice would be to stick to your promises. Or maybe just don't make those promises in the first place and brand yourself a liar.
Marcus
New Member
Exactly... I would agree with you too Matt except I got a higher level on a lower dose of black tops. So your theory is out the window.
And don't worry, I won't buy from you again. I will however start a thread in the underground about your shady business practices, make sure it pops up on google first ever time someone searches about godtropin. So good luck selling on other boards. And you think that everyone sticks to their own board? Hahaha, you're going to slowly burn your whole business down the way you run it
Actually in @Dr JIM's defense we did MALDI testing years ago and were criticized for that as well. So I would say the 2 week comment as you did in another post is a little off.
Here is was AAA can provide as anyone can search on the internet to see(I grabbed this right off services being needed):
Amino Acid Analysis (Quantification & Identification)
Amino acid analysis is a fundamental biochemical technique used for the determination of the amino acid composition or content of proteins, peptides and other pharmaceutical or biological preparations or samples containing compounds that contain primary or secondary amino groups within their molecular structure. Amino acid analysis allows for amino acid quantitation (also known as amino acid quantification or amino acid identification) of free amino acids, as well as amino acids released from macromolecules such as peptides, proteins or glycoproteins. Amino acid testing also enables the analysis of protein complexes or mixtures of proteins such as protein powder supplements.
Protein molecules are abundant in mammals and are a significant and vital part of the mammalian diet as well as a vital part of their metabolism. Since proteins and various amino acids are needed in the human diet to help the body repair cells and synthesize new cells, amino acid quantification may be used to monitor or detect the metabolic states by analyzing the content of free amino acids in biological fluids such as urine, blood or plasma.
It can offer comprehensive amino acid analysis and amino acid quantification on biological compounds, foods, tissue, biological fluids, and drug samples. Using UV spectrophotometry, can obtain accurate data on proteins, peptides, and amino acids of a particular sample. Protein characterization, concentration, content, molar ratio, and extinction coefficients can all be determined by using amino acid analysis.
Because he doesn't deliberately lie to try and save face.Yes, that totally is my handle, you've exposed me.
Nice seeing @stayinalive side with you.
Help to put ya two in the same basket, don't you think?
I think @mands should be asked why he trusts the judgement of a joke of a man like yourself instead
mands
janoshik
Subscriber
Maybe you were criticized because somehow every testing you have, along with JIM, conducted went terribly wrong.
Do I need to remind you the stuff with Karl's samples? I was not over here back then, but it's still mentioned here and there as an example of a bad joke.
For your own sake I'll ignore the part where you paste AAA 101 article as an counterargument (which I did not get) to a chemist.
In fact, it makes no sense posting that other than bloating your post.
Because he doesn't deliberately lie to try and save face.
mands
So he's lying all the time just accidentally, is what you are saying?
That points to a mental illness, maybe you should help your friend seek a professional help. You know. From a REAL doctor.
Or is he stupid enough to not realize he's contradicting FACTS and HIMSELF most of the time?
And he is stupid enough as to argue with men from the field he had never worked in and think that he is right?
And you choose to trust the judgement of such a man and agree with him, Mands?
How is that LC/MS of the Sero lookin'? The one JIM had promised like half a year ago?
Where is the AAA mentioned in US Pharmacopoeia as a gold standard - JIM mentioned that a LOT of times?
Can you show me MALDI-TOF that is has an error of 200 Daltons? Because according to JIM, that is common - again, he mentioned that multiple times, did he not?
Can you answer these questions, @mands?
Why are you working with and defending a liar, when you like to put yourself on a moral high ground is what I don't understand?
Only other way making JIM not lying deliberately is that he is mentally challenged - so which is it, @mands and how exactly does that make him any better?
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Doug_S
Member
Actually in @Dr JIM's defense we did MALDI testing years ago and were criticized for that as well. So I would say the 2 week comment as you did in another post is a little off.
Here is was AAA can provide as anyone can search on the internet to see(I grabbed this right off services being needed):
Amino Acid Analysis (Quantification & Identification)
Amino acid analysis is a fundamental biochemical technique used for the determination of the amino acid composition or content of proteins, peptides and other pharmaceutical or biological preparations or samples containing compounds that contain primary or secondary amino groups within their molecular structure. Amino acid analysis allows for amino acid quantitation (also known as amino acid quantification or amino acid identification) of free amino acids, as well as amino acids released from macromolecules such as peptides, proteins or glycoproteins. Amino acid testing also enables the analysis of protein complexes or mixtures of proteins such as protein powder supplements.
Protein molecules are abundant in mammals and are a significant and vital part of the mammalian diet as well as a vital part of their metabolism. Since proteins and various amino acids are needed in the human diet to help the body repair cells and synthesize new cells, amino acid quantification may be used to monitor or detect the metabolic states by analyzing the content of free amino acids in biological fluids such as urine, blood or plasma.
It can offer comprehensive amino acid analysis and amino acid quantification on biological compounds, foods, tissue, biological fluids, and drug samples. Using UV spectrophotometry, can obtain accurate data on proteins, peptides, and amino acids of a particular sample. Protein characterization, concentration, content, molar ratio, and extinction coefficients can all be determined by using amino acid analysis.
Because he doesn't deliberately lie to try and save face.
mands
That's too bad you guys got hammered for trying. I never criticize or even punish for trying but maybe not quite succeeding. It's no way to lead. What was the purpose of trying to ridicule Analyzer? The person ran MALDI MS and HPLC...what more does he want? Then to come back he implied (but I will admit did not actually say outright) that AAA can sequence and
it could somehow detect all the potential substitutions and changes that would make the protein inert???? That's crazy talk.
I noted before, my strength and experience is in organic chemistry and toxicology not protein chemistry. I do have a bit of experience in recombinant DNA and I understand what the process is an what it means with e coli producing HGH. I also understand lots of the instrumentation. Just this year I am detecting compounds in soils and groundwater at 2 ppt. Yes, parts per Trillion with an LOQ of around 6 ppt.
We could not have done that even 18 months ago.
I guess I don't get it. You brought on board a chemist He ran the right tests and posted the results and then someone who obviously does not REALLY understand this stuff comes in and criticizes it??? And does it in about the most patronizing and condescending way imaginable. To top it off, they were mostly wrong.
Why??? What was gained from that? What was the purpose of it?
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