Great article on over-exaggeration of liver toxicity

[Mimmik]

Just thought I'd share. On anadrol and Dbol you always hear people say you'll destroy your liver if you take X amount over Y time...this puts that debate to rest.

http://www.ironmagazine.com/2012/liver-toxicity-and-oral-steroids-are-the-risks-over-exaggerated/

 

[Sworder]

I don't think this subject has been exaggerated too much in my honest opinion. Once you start getting the heartburn all the time is a strong indicator that you have used too many orals. Lipids getting flipped is a problem personally when orals are used and I believe that to be a larger problem.

 

[blazinshotguns]

My LDL cholesterol is high . Do you know how I can lower it ?

 

[Millard]

Liver toxicity from steroids is definitely exaggerated:

Have Doctors Been Exaggerating the Effect of Steroids on Your Liver?

Here are some recent articles by Bill Roberts on monitoring the liver while on steroids:

Anabolic Steroids, Liver Function and AST and ALT Blood Test

Best Blood Tests for Evaluating Liver Function During Anabolic Steroid Use

How to Protect the Liver During Anabolic Steroid Use

 

[Mimmik]

My doc's are unaware of my steroid use other than my prescribed TRT. I've been on Dbol and Drol at the same time with absolutely no elevation I'm liver enzymes. I'm not saying it's safe for long term use, just over exaggerated. I'm tired of hearing guys saying your liver will be ruined, damaged from a little Drol and Dbol use. It's simply not true. The methylated designer steroids...yea those are not good on your liver.

To sworder...
Heartburn is not a good indicator of anything pertaining to the liver. It just means you have a sensitive stomach. The lipid profile being altered is a completely different subject.

 

[Millard]

Exercise itself elevates my enzymes more than AAS. Does that mean exercise should be avoided in my case due to its liver toxicity?

 

[dper726]

Its definitely exaggerated but the problem is anabolics can be easily abused with the idea that more is better....... So i think its best if we continue to talk about the potential to liver toxicity before we have people taking 300mgs of dbol a day for a full cycle

 

[dper726]

My LDL cholesterol is high . Do you know how I can lower it ?

Whats your diet like?

 

[Mimmik]

Its definitely exaggerated but the problem is anabolics can be easily abused with the idea that more is better....... So i think its best if we continue to talk about the potential to liver toxicity before we have people taking 300mgs of dbol a day for a full cycle

Disagree. We should talk facts here, not hold back and spit bro science for the dummies.

 

[TheGuy85]

Look at the recommended therapeutic dosages for anadrol and the duration of use:

Anadrol Dosage and Administration
The recommended daily dose in children and adults is 1-5 mg/kg of body weight per day. The usual effective dose is 1-2 mg/kg/day but higher doses may be required, and the dose should be individualized. Response is not often immediate, and a minimum trial of three to six months should be given. Following remission, some patients may be maintained without the drug; others may be maintained on an established lower daily dosage. A continued maintenance dose is usually necessary in patients with congenital aplastic anemia.

I don't know how accurate the above Information is, but a 170 lb man would be taking between 75-150 ed (or more) for a minimum of 3 months.

Halotestin:

Usual Pediatric Dose for Delayed Puberty - Male
2.5 to 20 mg orally per day or in 3 to 4 divided doses for up to 4 to 6 months. Dosage should be carefully titrated utilizing a low dosage.

 

[Sworder]

To sworder...
Heartburn is not a good indicator of anything pertaining to the liver. It just means you have a sensitive stomach. The lipid profile being altered is a completely different subject.

Acid reflux/heartburn has always been a good indicator for me. The problem isn't only about liver enzymes being elevated, the main problem is biliary cirrhosis in my opinion and you can even have to go to the ER for gallbladder pain if too many orals are used. From my experience..

 

[blazinshotguns]

Whats your diet like?

High fat food and high protein . Low carbs . I'm also 23 percent body fat . I'm not sure if that can't effect my ldl

 

[dper726]

Disagree. We should talk facts here, not hold back and spit bro science for the dummies.

All that scientific knowledge in the world you posses yet you dismiss drug abuse as a life threat. Yea you're a dumbfuck.

 

[dper726]

High fat food and high protein . Low carbs . I'm also 23 percent body fat . I'm not sure if that can't effect my ldl

It's a good place to start

 

[Mimmik]

All that scientific knowledge in the world you posses yet you dismiss drug abuse as a life threat. Yea you're a dumbfuck.

Whatever you say Internet tough guy. I'm not dismissing drug abuse, but I'm not going to hold back facts because people are too stupid to use these substances in a responsible fashion. Millard even posted info and studies backing what I said...is he a dumbfuck too? I think not.

So to get this straight...I post a fact and medical study, Millard (the big man) backs that up with another study, you post your opinion on drug abuse, and I'm the dumbfuck? Opinion vs fact son..you lose.

 

[dper726]

Youre

Whatever you say Internet tough guy. I'm not dismissing drug abuse, but I'm not going to hold back facts because people are too stupid to use these substances in a responsible fashion. Millard even posted info and studies backing what I said...is he a dumbfuck too? I think not.

So to get this straight...I post a fact and medical study, Millard (the big man) backs that up with another study, you post your opinion on drug abuse, and I'm the dumbfuck? Opinion vs fact son..you lose.

You're still a dumbfuck because you failed reading comprehension. Go back to my first post in this thread. If you continue to fail in the subject of reading comprehension you remain dumbfuck. Ok dumbfuck?


Don't flame to make yourself look stupid "son"

 

[dper726]

By the way, I have used dbol and anadrol same cycle In lengths of 8 or ten weeks with no problem. But since you dismiss drug abuse why don't you put to the test 400mg of drol a day. for a year the more the better right? Or at least that's the mentality of the drug abuse user many times.

 

[Mimmik]

Youre


You're still a dumbfuck because you failed reading comprehension. Go back to my first post in this thread. If you continue to fail in the subject of reading comprehension you remain dumbfuck. Ok dumbfuck?


Don't flame to make yourself look stupid "son"

Look, this is not productive. Messages get crossed when people type them out because we aren't face to face. I get what you're saying but I hope you see my point as well. It's frustrating when you read posts and people say mixing Dbol and Drol will kill your liver or taking either over 4 weeks will do the same. I was trying to educate this group of people. I don't see the need to pound your keyboard and call me names.