Growing without gear

[moneyman]

Guys I was wondering how big can a person get without gear. Im trying to see how big i can get without gear but i keep hearing that there will be a time when my body stops growing and then i will need to gear up. Can I make it to the size of lets say some one like Shawn Ray without juice?? Or should i plan on taking juice sooner or later ??

 

[Patuba]

It all depends on genetics. Plus, how you workout and what your diet is like.

 

[moralanimal]

Motivation + Genetics= Finite. Realistically, With All The Gh And Juice One Could Get, Most Of Us Will Never, Ever, Ever Come Close To Shawn Ray.
When I Was 15 Y.o. The Trainer My Mother Was Paying Told Me Everyone In The Mags I Was Reading (not The Pron) We Juicing. I Couldn't Believe It. I Was Convinced It Was Cybergenics. Then He Instructed Me To Bring Him $600. Think It Through. The Reactionist Veiw That Many Give Off Against The Media Is Just That- A Reaction. If The Questionis Sooner Or Later- Imo You Should Go With Much Later.

 

[Iron Jay]

Shawn ray is pretty dam big, I really don't think the many people can attain his size even with drugs....

 

[moneyman]

Shawn ray is pretty dam big, I really don't think the many people can attain his size even with drugs....

I dont really understand why its so hard to get that size hes only 215 during contest thats lil as hell.

 

[Hogg]

I dont really understand why its so hard to get that size hes only 215 during contest thats lil as hell.

Yeah but, he's 5-7 to 5-8 and waterless, fatless, and doesnt have an ounce of turds in his intestines at contest weight. I'd wager he's 245-50 off season no problem.

I have a friend competed who won the ironman in the 217 range with a 27" waist. He's 245-255 off season and big as hell at that weight....to the point where you think "he must weigh more than that!"

 

[Primo Max]

I was thinking the same thing as Hogg. Who cares about weight, Shawn Ray would make pretty much anyone you've ever seen look like a little boy in comparison.

 

[moneyman]

Yeah but, he's 5-7 to 5-8 and waterless, fatless, and doesnt have an ounce of turds in his intestines at contest weight. I'd wager he's 245-50 off season no problem.

I have a friend competed who won the ironman in the 217 range with a 27" waist. He's 245-255 off season and big as hell at that weight....to the point where you think "he must weigh more than that!"

so let me get this right, no matter how hard i hit the gym ill never reach his size?? ever?? man that sucks but im still gonna shoot for it ...lol

 

[Patuba]

so let me get this right, no matter how hard i hit the gym ill never reach his size?? ever?? man that sucks but im still gonna shoot for it ...lol

You could, you just have to try and reach your maximum and see what it's like.

Like I said, it all depends on genetics.

 

[moneyman]

You could, you just have to try and reach your maximum and see what it's like.

Like I said, it all depends on genetics.

max ?? with or without gear

 

[Patuba]

Either/or. I know I'll never look like Shawn Ray with or without gear. It doesn't matter how hard I try. That doesn't mean you won't be able to accomplish it though.

 

[Desibaba]

Shawn ray was never one of the Mass freaks.What was cool about him was the way everything looked together in perfect harmony.But unfortunately this is the Age of Mass.Size does matter.Although many people will tell you the smaller guys are usually much healthier than the really big dudes(Ronnie coleman,Markus Ruhl,Etc).This is not just due to drug use either. Being 287 lbs(Coleman in 2003 Mr O) ripped also means the heart and other organs work much harder than they were designed to. But thats what these guys do for a living and to pay their bills so you cant blame em for it.