Growth hormone

[Dustin33]

Growth hormone can be used with good safety. However, there are possible adverse side effects, particularly with high dosing and especially with chronic high dosing.

GH use can cause insulin resistance, increase serum free fatty acids, and increase TNF-alpha, lipoprotein (a), and fibrinogen. These effects can act towards increasing cardiovascular risk.

Additionally, growth hormone use can cause carpal tunnel syndrome, tarsal tunnel syndrome, peripheral neuropathy, compressive myelopathy, water retention, and sleep apnea. Acne can be promoted. Prolactin can be increased. In women, hirsutism, menstrual irregularities or endometrial hyperplasia can occur.

Of these, the most consistent effect is insulin resistance. This can essentially be guaranteed at sustained higher doses.

Other possible adverse side effects of GH use include increase in skin tags, imbalance in phosphate levels, hypervitaminosis D, promotion of arthritis, and growth promotion of existing cancers or polyps.

Incidentally, while increase in skin tags could seem a minor thing, there’s a strong correlation between having more than 3 skin tags and having increased risk of colon polyps. Gaining skin tags, then, may be a warning sign.

Long term GH use giving levels comparable to those occurring naturally in acromegaly may yield the adverse consequences of that condition. These include diabetes, hypertension, heart disease, heart enlargement, joint thickening, arthritis, coarse facial features, enlargement of hands and feet, thick skin, darkened skin, chronic fatigue, impotence, increased rate of death from cardiovascular disease, increased rate of death from cancer, and a two to four times overall increase in mortality rate. Of course, in acromegaly high GH levels are experienced for years or decades on end, and not every person with the condition suffers all these effects.

With all this said, when used in moderation GH’s track record for safety in bodybuilding is good. Problems usually are limited to worsening of insulin sensitivity and, commonly, carpal tunnel syndrome or other neuropathies which usually are reversible on cessation of use.

Extreme use, especially over an extended period, likely carries significant health harms and risks.

 

[Sector]

This was a great write up.

I've been considering adding GH for a while now, but the more research I do, the more I worry about the sides (mainly insulin resistance, higher blood glucose levels, water retention and the many sides that comes with it, increased resting heart rate, enlargement of the heart, thickening of the heart walls).

It seems that even on doses as low as 2IU people are getting insufferable water retention, to the point of Edema for some (and obviously this varies by GH quality and person-to-person as everyone responds different). This leads to higher blood pressure, potential sleep apnea, swelling of the hands and feet, and I've seen a lot of people recommend taking a mild diuretic to help combat these sides.

Then there's the insulin resistance, where it's recommended to take Metformin and/or a GLP-1 agonist to help control the insulin resistance factor. Additionally, increased blood glucose is a major concern, where I've seen recommendations on the potential need for insulin to get blood glucose levels under control (and yes I'm aware that diet and cardio probably play the largest factor in blood glucose control). It just seems like you have to potentially take a LOT of ancillaries to combat the potential GH sides.

With this said though, I do still have the itch to add GH into my cut, and potentially into my next bulk for fat loss/re-comp benefits that GH can provide. I'm thinking if I start low (maybe around 2iu fasted in the morning before my workout), and slowly taper up to 5iu (which would be the max I would run it at) that I could hopefully keep the sides minimal. This would be combined with 45 minutes of cardio 6 days a week and a low carb diet to hopefully negate the increased blood glucose, and I'd also combine it with metformin and Tirz to help negate the insulin sensitivity. I'm hoping starting low and tiltrating up slowly will make the water retention manageable, as I really don't want to take a diuretic. I'm also wondering if taking it in the morning, fasted, before my workout, rather than at night could help negate some of the ancedotal reports I've heard of people waking up in the middle of the night with pain/tingling in their hands.

I have very limited experience with GH. I've run pharmacy grade genotropin a while back at 2-4iu/day for a few months with good results, and never really had any negative side effects aside from the increased water retention, but I'd probably run generics this go around.

Part of me wants to give it a try with generics, the other part of me is saying to just let the tren, diet, and training do the work, perhaps introduce a low dose of T3 around 25-50mcg to finish the cut strong. I'm prepping for an event I have an the end of May/June (not a show, just an event I want to show up peeled for)

 

[Dustin33]

@Sector
Most of bodybuilders use HGH because HGH makes you stronger. If you have enough money, you use the IGF-1.

As for the side effects you said, I believe that the predecessors in the forum will give you a good suggestion.

 

[Sector]

@Sector
Most of bodybuilders use HGH because HGH makes you stronger. If you have enough money, you use the IGF-1.

As for the side effects you said, I believe that the predecessors in the forum will give you a good suggestion.

I've considered it. IGF1 just seems inefficient at the dosages you would have to run it at to see a major difference

 

[BigTomJ]

Growth hormone can be used with good safety. However, there are possible adverse side effects, particularly with high dosing and especially with chronic high dosing.

GH use can cause insulin resistance, increase serum free fatty acids, and increase TNF-alpha, lipoprotein (a), and fibrinogen. These effects can act towards increasing cardiovascular risk.

Additionally, growth hormone use can cause carpal tunnel syndrome, tarsal tunnel syndrome, peripheral neuropathy, compressive myelopathy, water retention, and sleep apnea. Acne can be promoted. Prolactin can be increased. In women, hirsutism, menstrual irregularities or endometrial hyperplasia can occur.

Of these, the most consistent effect is insulin resistance. This can essentially be guaranteed at sustained higher doses.

Other possible adverse side effects of GH use include increase in skin tags, imbalance in phosphate levels, hypervitaminosis D, promotion of arthritis, and growth promotion of existing cancers or polyps.

Incidentally, while increase in skin tags could seem a minor thing, there’s a strong correlation between having more than 3 skin tags and having increased risk of colon polyps. Gaining skin tags, then, may be a warning sign.

Long term GH use giving levels comparable to those occurring naturally in acromegaly may yield the adverse consequences of that condition. These include diabetes, hypertension, heart disease, heart enlargement, joint thickening, arthritis, coarse facial features, enlargement of hands and feet, thick skin, darkened skin, chronic fatigue, impotence, increased rate of death from cardiovascular disease, increased rate of death from cancer, and a two to four times overall increase in mortality rate. Of course, in acromegaly high GH levels are experienced for years or decades on end, and not every person with the condition suffers all these effects.

With all this said, when used in moderation GH’s track record for safety in bodybuilding is good. Problems usually are limited to worsening of insulin sensitivity and, commonly, carpal tunnel syndrome or other neuropathies which usually are reversible on cessation of use.

Extreme use, especially over an extended period, likely carries significant health harms and risks.

You literally plagiarized at least part pf this post from an article ON THIS FORUM.

hGH (Human Growth Hormone)

HGH is the most efficient hormone anyone can use and commonly referred to as the fountain of youth. Men and women tolerate HGH very well

thinksteroids.com

next time have an original thought

 

[readalot]

You literally plagiarized at least part pf this post from an article ON THIS FORUM.

hGH (Human Growth Hormone)

HGH is the most efficient hormone anyone can use and commonly referred to as the fountain of youth. Men and women tolerate HGH very well

thinksteroids.com

next time have an original thought

Nice catch. People should use quotes and reference citations when referring to another's work.

There is a nice quote feature available on this forum.

 

[runway]

You literally plagiarized at least part pf this post from an article ON THIS FORUM.

hGH (Human Growth Hormone)

HGH is the most efficient hormone anyone can use and commonly referred to as the fountain of youth. Men and women tolerate HGH very well

thinksteroids.com

next time have an original thought

He just used ChatGPT to make some pseudo useful post to get access to the underground. Many such cases!

 

[Sector]

You literally plagiarized at least part pf this post from an article ON THIS FORUM.

hGH (Human Growth Hormone)

HGH is the most efficient hormone anyone can use and commonly referred to as the fountain of youth. Men and women tolerate HGH very well

thinksteroids.com

next time have an original thought

Dang. Good catch

 

[Sector]

I was actually impressed with OP at first. Turns out he's just a fraud

 

[lilhawk]

@Sector
Most of bodybuilders use HGH because HGH makes you stronger. If you have enough money, you use the IGF-1.

As for the side effects you said, I believe that the predecessors in the forum will give you a good suggestion.

LOL, what? No most bodybuilders don't use GH because it makes you stronger.

 

[Ateam2023]

Growth hormone can be used with good safety. However, there are possible adverse side effects, particularly with high dosing and especially with chronic high dosing.

GH use can cause insulin resistance, increase serum free fatty acids, and increase TNF-alpha, lipoprotein (a), and fibrinogen. These effects can act towards increasing cardiovascular risk.

Additionally, growth hormone use can cause carpal tunnel syndrome, tarsal tunnel syndrome, peripheral neuropathy, compressive myelopathy, water retention, and sleep apnea. Acne can be promoted. Prolactin can be increased. In women, hirsutism, menstrual irregularities or endometrial hyperplasia can occur.

Of these, the most consistent effect is insulin resistance. This can essentially be guaranteed at sustained higher doses.

Other possible adverse side effects of GH use include increase in skin tags, imbalance in phosphate levels, hypervitaminosis D, promotion of arthritis, and growth promotion of existing cancers or polyps.

Incidentally, while increase in skin tags could seem a minor thing, there’s a strong correlation between having more than 3 skin tags and having increased risk of colon polyps. Gaining skin tags, then, may be a warning sign.

Long term GH use giving levels comparable to those occurring naturally in acromegaly may yield the adverse consequences of that condition. These include diabetes, hypertension, heart disease, heart enlargement, joint thickening, arthritis, coarse facial features, enlargement of hands and feet, thick skin, darkened skin, chronic fatigue, impotence, increased rate of death from cardiovascular disease, increased rate of death from cancer, and a two to four times overall increase in mortality rate. Of course, in acromegaly high GH levels are experienced for years or decades on end, and not every person with the condition suffers all these effects.

With all this said, when used in moderation GH’s track record for safety in bodybuilding is good. Problems usually are limited to worsening of insulin sensitivity and, commonly, carpal tunnel syndrome or other neuropathies which usually are reversible on cessation of use.

Extreme use, especially over an extended period, likely carries significant health harms and risks.

Get your own material and stop acting like you know abot gh lmao plagiarism at its finest

 

[MadaFacor]

This was a great write up.

I've been considering adding GH for a while now, but the more research I do, the more I worry about the sides (mainly insulin resistance, higher blood glucose levels, water retention and the many sides that comes with it, increased resting heart rate, enlargement of the heart, thickening of the heart walls).

It seems that even on doses as low as 2IU people are getting insufferable water retention, to the point of Edema for some (and obviously this varies by GH quality and person-to-person as everyone responds different). This leads to higher blood pressure, potential sleep apnea, swelling of the hands and feet, and I've seen a lot of people recommend taking a mild diuretic to help combat these sides.

Then there's the insulin resistance, where it's recommended to take Metformin and/or a GLP-1 agonist to help control the insulin resistance factor. Additionally, increased blood glucose is a major concern, where I've seen recommendations on the potential need for insulin to get blood glucose levels under control (and yes I'm aware that diet and cardio probably play the largest factor in blood glucose control). It just seems like you have to potentially take a LOT of ancillaries to combat the potential GH sides.

With this said though, I do still have the itch to add GH into my cut, and potentially into my next bulk for fat loss/re-comp benefits that GH can provide. I'm thinking if I start low (maybe around 2iu fasted in the morning before my workout), and slowly taper up to 5iu (which would be the max I would run it at) that I could hopefully keep the sides minimal. This would be combined with 45 minutes of cardio 6 days a week and a low carb diet to hopefully negate the increased blood glucose, and I'd also combine it with metformin and Tirz to help negate the insulin sensitivity. I'm hoping starting low and tiltrating up slowly will make the water retention manageable, as I really don't want to take a diuretic. I'm also wondering if taking it in the morning, fasted, before my workout, rather than at night could help negate some of the ancedotal reports I've heard of people waking up in the middle of the night with pain/tingling in their hands.

I have very limited experience with GH. I've run pharmacy grade genotropin a while back at 2-4iu/day for a few months with good results, and never really had any negative side effects aside from the increased water retention, but I'd probably run generics this go around.

Part of me wants to give it a try with generics, the other part of me is saying to just let the tren, diet, and training do the work, perhaps introduce a low dose of T3 around 25-50mcg to finish the cut strong. I'm prepping for an event I have an the end of May/June (not a show, just an event I want to show up peeled for)

Get a single kit from a reputable vendor. Run it at low doses. At low doses, sides are rare.

 

[Sector]

Get a single kit from a reputable vendor. Run it at low doses. At low doses, sides are rare.

Yeah I'm thinking out trying out K4L soon

 

[buck]

LOL, what? No most bodybuilders don't use GH because it makes you stronger.

This is not the only forum he is making those sort of statements on. He is asking basic questions and not understanding what is being said over there..

 

[biggerben69]

Get a single kit from a reputable vendor. Run it at low doses. At low doses, sides are rare.

Uhhhhh....guys running generics are starting at 2iu and slowly increasing the dose as carpal tunnel(which is a side) seems to be an issue for most.

You can order a steak " Rare". Sides aren't with the gh most guys around here are running.

I don't get sides(negative ones) running Seros year round at 6iu. Sides are rare at low doses(2 to 4iu) when running Pharm Grade GH.

 

[MadaFacor]

Uhhhhh....guys running generics are starting at 2iu and slowly increasing the dose as carpal tunnel(which is a side) seems to be an issue for most.

You can order a steak " Rare". Sides aren't with the gh most guys around here are running.

I don't get sides(negative ones) running Seros year round at 6iu. Sides are rare at low doses(2 to 4iu) when running Pharm Grade GH.

So what exactly are you saying? Was I wrong? Was I right? Your response doesn't seem to address anything here.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Uhhhhh....guys running generics are starting at 2iu and slowly increasing the dose as carpal tunnel(which is a side) seems to be an issue for most.

You can order a steak " Rare". Sides aren't with the gh most guys around here are running.

I don't get sides(negative ones) running Seros year round at 6iu. Sides are rare at low doses(2 to 4iu) when running Pharm Grade GH.

So what exactly are you saying? Was I wrong? Was I right? Your response doesn't seem to address anything here.

Not to sound like a broken record but sides for me (CTS/edema) are way better correlated with dose than source (pharma/UGL).

I've bounced back and forth between pharma and UGL a few times and the only time I notice sides is when increasing the dose of either.

 

[MadaFacor]

Not to sound like a broken record but sides for me (CTS/edema) are way better correlated with dose than source (pharma/UGL).

I've bounced back and forth between pharma and UGL a few times and the only time I notice sides is when increasing the dose of either.

Makes sense and really aligns with most of what I have read.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Not to sound like a broken record but sides for me (CTS/edema) are way better correlated with dose than source (pharma/UGL).

I've bounced back and forth between pharma and UGL a few times and the only time I notice sides is when increasing the dose of either.

Everyone is different, placebo effects and whatever else.

I was using a vial of UGL per day for a while and after a few nights waking up with the ouchies (CTS/pain in hands), it dawned on me that I reconstituted a new kit a few days prior.

Checked testing results and I was using 10 IU/vial then switched to 12 IU overnight. The sides aren't harsh like PIP knots, but that was two UGL sources. Same thing happened when I went from 10 IU UGL to 12 IU pharma.

 

[biggerben69]

So what exactly are you saying? Was I wrong? Was I right? Your response doesn't seem to address anything here.

You said sides were "rare" at low doses. Cts is a side that I'm reading about from guys running generics no matter what the dose. Most guys here are aware of the painful side so they go into things planning on starting low(1or 2iu) and then titrate until the desired dose is reached. Titration, in theory, should make the negative sides more tolerable.

Have you experience with generic or pharm grade GH?