OldGHGuy
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Or SWAG, the Scientific sortWag… haha wild ass guess… most dont know that meaning… i hear it daily
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Or SWAG, the Scientific sortWag… haha wild ass guess… most dont know that meaning… i hear it daily
Say; any research or anecdotes on SSRI's and their prevention of neurodegeneration on AAS?
I asked for anecdotes, not AI slopwhy are people so against chatgpt? pride? it would be so much faster if you’d ask the robot instead of waiting for a response here, or both.
Went back and read some of your backstory. Why on earth are you still using such high doses and multiple compounds? Forget about protection supplements, try lowering your dose and just using test.After my heart scare, I've been slowly accumulating research on compounds to help reduce/prevent damage from AAS.
There is mounting evidence that the majority of adverse effects of AAS are by-products of oxidative damage/stress.
Here is the collection of papers I've been able to find on using specific anti-oxidants to prevent/reduce impact on various organs:
(Personally, I was already taking Taurine and Ashwagandha, but I've ordered ALA, NAC, and ALCAR.)
Quick Overview by Compound
- Taurine — Nandrolone models
• Signals: ↓ systolic BP; blunts ACE; ↑ NOx; normalizes hypercoagulability; multi-organ histology improvements
• Mechanisms: RAAS/NO modulation; mild antiplatelet effects- α-Lipoic Acid (ALA) — Nandrolone & methandienone models
• Signals: ↓ renal oxidative stress & injury; ↓ cardiac injury markers; neurobehavioral rescue when paired with pentoxifylline
• Mechanisms: Antioxidant; ↑ Nrf2/HO-1; ↓ NF-κB/TNF-α- N-Acetylcysteine (NAC) — Nandrolone model
• Signals: ↓ cardiac apoptosis & DNA damage; ↓ TLR4–NF-κB–NLRP3 activation; ↓ CK-MB/LDH
• Mechanisms: Glutathione repletion; inflammasome down-modulation- Melatonin — Stanozolol model + exercise stress
• Signals: Prevents BP rise; improves ECG axis; boosts cardiac antioxidative enzymes
• Mechanisms: Antioxidant; autonomic/circadian modulation- Ashwagandha — Nandrolone neurotoxicity model
• Signals: ↓ neuronal cell death; ↓ prodynorphin mRNA; ↓ AChE; histologic neuroprotection
• Mechanisms: Antioxidant/anti-excitotoxic; cholinergic normalization- Silymarin ± “Antox” (Se + vit A/C/E) — Nandrolone hepatic/renal models
• Signals: Best overall improvements when combined (enzymes, urea/Cr, histology)
• Mechanisms: Multi-antioxidant synergy; membrane stabilization- Silymarin + Fenugreek — Nandrolone myopathy model
• Signals: Ameliorates cardiac & skeletal muscle damage; combo favorable
• Mechanisms: Antioxidant/anti-inflammatory- Curcumin (nano ferrite–chitosan–curcumin NPs) — Nandrolone nephrotoxicity
• Signals: Improved renal function, redox status, and inflammation (nano-formulation > standard)
• Mechanisms: Free-radical scavenging; ↓ TNF-α/PCNA- Damiana Extract — Trenbolone hepatic/renal model
• Signals: Improved ALT/AST, urea/Cr; restored SOD/CAT/GSH; better histology
• Mechanisms: Antioxidant/anti-inflammatory; membrane stabilization
Agent AAS model Model & dosing (abridged) Primary endpoints Outcome (protective?) Mechanistic notes Source Ashwagandha Nandrolone Male rats; ND regimen (brain injury model); WS extract alongside ND Hippocampal histology; cell death; prodynorphin mRNA; AChE activity ↓ cell death; ↓ prodynorphin mRNA; ↓ AChE; histology improved → neuroprotection Antioxidant / anti-excitotoxic; cholinergic normalization Withania somnifera ameliorates nandrolone-decanoate-induced brain damage in rats by inhibiting cell death, prodynorphin mRNA expression and acetylcholinesterase activity Damiana extract Trenbolone Male rats; Tren ± Damiana Serum ALT/AST, urea/creatinine; hepatic/renal histology; SOD/CAT/GSH/MDA Improved liver/kidney tests; restored antioxidant enzymes; histology improved Antioxidant / anti-inflammatory; membrane stabilization Ameliorating Effect of Damiana (Turnera Diffusa) Extract against Trenbolone-induced Nephrotoxicity and Hepatotoxicity in Male Albino Rats Nano ferrite–chitosan–curcumin NPs Nandrolone 48 rats; ND 25 mg/kg/wk ×4; then CurNPs 50 mg/kg q48h ×2 wk or NF-CH-CurNPs 24 mg/kg q48h ×2 wk Urea/Cr, electrolytes; MDA, CAT/SOD/GSH; PCNA, TNF-α; renal histology Both nano-formulations improved renal function, redox status, inflammation; NF-CH-CurNPs best Free-radical scavenging; anti-inflammatory (↓TNF-α, ↓PCNA) Ameliorating and therapeutic impact of nano ferrite-chitosan-curcumin nanoparticles against nandrolone decanote induced renal toxicity, inflammation, and oxidative stress in male rats Silymarin + “Antox” (Se + vit A/C/E) Nandrolone 110 rats; ND 7.93 or 11.9 mg/kg; 8 wk ± silymarin and/or Antox Body/organ weights; ALT/AST, bilirubin; urea/Cr; liver/kidney histology Combo Silymarin+Antox gave largest improvements (enzymes, urea/Cr, histology) Multi-antioxidant / free-radical-scavenging synergy Effect of Nandrolone Decanoate (Anabolic Steroid) on the Liver and Kidney of Male Albino Rats and the Role of Antioxidant (Antox-Silymarin) as Adjuvant Therapy Silymarin + Fenugreek Nandrolone Adult male rats; ND cardiotoxicity model ± silymarin and/or fenugreek Cardiac/skeletal muscle histology; oxidative stress markers Both agents ameliorated ND-induced myopathy; combo favorable Antioxidant / anti-inflammatory The toxic effects of anabolic steroids “nandrolone decanoate” on cardiac and skeletal muscles with the potential ameliorative effects of silymarin and fenugreek seeds extract in adult male albino rats Melatonin Stanozolol Rats; STA 5 mg/kg s.c. 5 d/wk ×6 wk; melatonin 10 mg/kg i.p. 5 d/wk BP, ECG axis; cardiac SOD/CAT Melatonin prevented BP rise and axis deviation; modulated CAT Antioxidant; autonomic modulation Melatonin Reduces Oxidative Stress and Cardiovascular Changes Induced by Stanozolol in Rats Exposed to Swimming Exercise Taurine Nandrolone 32 rats; 12 wk ND ± taurine in drinking water Systolic BP, ACE activity, NOx Taurine prevented ND-induced BP rise and blunted ACE activity RAAS modulation; NO biology Impact of chronic administration of anabolic androgenic steroids and taurine on blood pressure in rats Taurine Nandrolone Rats; chronic ND ± taurine Thromboelastography (R, K, α, CI); clot lysis ND induced hypercoagulability; taurine normalized clot kinetics Anti-platelet / antithrombotic actions Influence of chronic administration of anabolic androgenic steroids and taurine on haemostasis profile in rats: a thrombelastographic study Taurine Nandrolone 40 rats; control, taurine, ND, ND+taurine CK-MB; testicular MDA/SOD/TNF-α; hippocampal/heart/testis histology & IHC Taurine attenuated ND toxicity across biochemical & histologic endpoints ROS/RNS quenching; anti-inflammatory Ameliorative Effect of Taurine on Nandrolone Decanoate Induced Toxicity on Brain, Heart and Testis in Adult Male Albino Rats Taurine Nandrolone 30 rats; 8 wk ND ± taurine Liver enzymes; histology Partial hepatoprotection reported Antioxidant Effect of Nandrolone Decanoate on the liver of Adult Male Albino Rats and the Possible ameliorating role Of Taurine α-Lipoic acid (ALA) ± Pentoxifylline Nandrolone Rats; ND 15 mg/kg q3d; ALA 100 mg/kg p.o.; PTX 200 mg/kg i.p. Open-field, water maze, aggression; monoamines/GABA/ACh; MDA, TNF-α, AChE; Nrf2/HO-1, TNFR1 ND: anxiety, memory deficits, aggression, oxidative/inflammatory changes; ALA+PTX reversed ↑Nrf2/HO-1; ↓TNF-α/TNFR1; antioxidant & anti-inflammatory Lipoic acid and pentoxifylline mitigate nandrolone decanoate-induced neurobehavioral perturbations in rats via re-balance of brain neurotransmitters, up-regulation of Nrf2/HO-1 pathway, and down-regulation of TNFR1 expression α-Lipoic acid (ALA) Nandrolone Rat ND nephrotoxicity model ± ALA Serum urea/Cr; renal MDA; antioxidant enzymes; histology ALA attenuated ND nephrotoxicity Antioxidant; possible NF-κB dampening BIOCHEMICAL AND HISTOPATHOLOGICAL ASPECTS OF NANDROLONE DECANOATE NEPHROTOXICITY AND POTENTIAL IMPACT OF ALPHA LIPOIC ACID α-Lipoic acid (ALA) Dianabol (Methandienone) 20 rabbits; Methandienone 0.35 mg/kg ± ALA 10 mg/kg p.o. CPK, CRP, troponin; heart/aorta histology ALA lowered cardiac injury markers; histology improved Antioxidant / anti-inflammatory The Essential Role of Alpha Lipoic Acid on the Cardiovascular System in Rabbits Subjected to Methandienone Administration N-acetylcysteine (NAC) Nandrolone 18 rats; Control, ND, NAC+ND (6 wk) Cardiac TUNEL apoptosis; 8-OHdG; TLR4/NF-κB/NLRP3; CK-MB/LDH ND ↑ apoptosis, DNA damage, TLR4-NF-κB-NLRP3, injury enzymes; NAC reduced all Glutathione repletion; TLR4-NF-κB-NLRP3 down-modulation Nandrolone decanoate induces heart injury via oxidative damage and mitochondrial apoptotic pathway by regulation of TLR4/NF-κB/NLRP3 axis in male rats: The rescue effect of N-acetylcysteine
