Halotestin doesn't shut you down.

[skinnyfatboy]

Watched a Vigorous Steve YT video last night with some American dude called Ty something.Ty claims halo longterm doesn't shut you down much ,Steve also mentioned var and proviron have minimal shutdown.Now to be fair Ty seemed high AF and I definitely was but it was interesting.
Thoughts?

 

[Juicedhead]

If you like wanting to kill people take halo. If you dont and are worried about shutdown but want to run a cycle, primo or var.

 

[skinnyfatboy]

Halo kills?

 

[JC Grifter]

Halo kills?

It will make you pissed off enough you’ll feel like you want to kill someone

 

[Sector]

Watched a Vigorous Steve YT video last night with some American dude called Ty something.Ty claims halo longterm doesn't shut you down much ,Steve also mentioned var and proviron have minimal shutdown.Now to be fair Ty seemed high AF and I definitely was but it was interesting.
Thoughts?

There it is. The dumbest thing I've read today.

 

[SenorSuperdrol]

That was Taeian Clark, he’s also the nandrolone only “pioneer” online.

Halo has its place especially in strength sports. Idk if I’d run it solely on the basis of avoiding shut down if I did PCT or wanted oral only.

 

[skinnyfatboy]

There it is. The dumbest thing I've read today.

But why?

 

[Sector]

But why?

Some high dude on a YouTube channel that advocates for deca only cycles and claims that long term use of a steroid doesn't shut you down sounds credible to you?

I mean if its on YouTube surely it must be true... would love to see the studies that support this assertion

 

[Sector]

The effects of fluoxymesterone administration on testicular function - PubMed

Long term daily administration of fluoxymesterone (9alpha-fluoro-17alpha-methyl-11beta, 17beta-dihydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one) was associated with a modest suppression of sperm production and a profound suppression of testosterone levels in the absence of significant effects on plasma gonadotropin...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Long term daily administration of fluoxymesterone (9alpha-fluoro-17alpha-methyl-11beta, 17beta-dihydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one) was associated with a modest suppression of sperm production and a profound suppression of testosterone levels in the absence of significant effects on plasma gonadotropin levels.

 

[skinnyfatboy]

The effects of fluoxymesterone administration on testicular function - PubMed

Long term daily administration of fluoxymesterone (9alpha-fluoro-17alpha-methyl-11beta, 17beta-dihydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one) was associated with a modest suppression of sperm production and a profound suppression of testosterone levels in the absence of significant effects on plasma gonadotropin...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Long term daily administration of fluoxymesterone (9alpha-fluoro-17alpha-methyl-11beta, 17beta-dihydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one) was associated with a modest suppression of sperm production and a profound suppression of testosterone levels in the absence of significant effects on plasma gonadotropin levels.

Great post but Steve and Ty had longterm use studies showing the opposite on test level.Now not defending there position but it's still interesting.

 

[asaly]

its true that some steroids block testosterone production much more strongly than others

here is a good example about tbol

For anyone else, legitimately interested in how I was able to infer that OT suppresses LH & FSH minimally, to the tune of 10% at 20 mg/d, see:

Dorner, G., Stahl, F., & Zabel, R. (1963). Vergleichende Untersuchungen über den Stoffwechsel von 4-Chlortestosteron- und Testosteronverbindungen bei Menschen. Endokrinologie. 45: 121-128.

Dorner, G. (1965). 4-chloro-Δ¹-methyltestosterone (Oralturinabol), a new orally effective anabolic agent. Dtsch. Gesundheitwes. 20: 670-674.

Holma P, Adlercreutz H. (1976). Effect of an anabolic steroid (metandienon) on plasma LH-FSH, and testosterone and on the response to intravenous administration of LRH. Acta Endocrinol (Copenh). Dec;83(4):856-64.

Based on those data, we can say that due to the effects of 4-substitution on the activity of OT it exerts very minimal effects on LH & FSH.

Since OT has only 20% of the gonadotrophic effect of Dbol (whose effects on LH, FSH at 15 mg daily have been shown to decrease LH & FSH ~50%; therefore it follows that OT only decreases LH & FSH by about ~10% [reflecting a minimal decrement in HPG axis functioning/"HPT axis suppression"] at a dose of 20 mg daily).

 

[Sector]

Great post but Steve and Ty had longterm use studies showing the opposite on test level.Now not defending there position but it's still interesting.

Can you post the studies?

 

[Sector]

its true that some steroids block testosterone production much more strongly than others

here is a good example about tbol

This is true. Tren for instance will shut you down much faster/harder than anavar (or tbol in this example), but they're all still suppressive, especially with long term use

 

[Juicedhead]

Halo kills?

Yeah its just not practical to use it. It really makes you nasty bro and hard to be around. Worse then tren in my opinion. It has its place and that would be like last week or two before a show. Depending on what youre trying to do exactly I wouldnt recommend using it outside of the last couple weeks before a show. Are you wanting to run a cycle and are worried about supression? Or what are you trying to do I can help give you some good advice but i need to know your goals.

 

[Juicedhead]

Also vigirous steve doesnt know as much as he thinks he does. He over complicates the fuck out of using gear for muscle growth. Im sorry but he does. All gear will shut you down theres now way around that. Some things he gives good information but others im scratching my head by the shit he says sometimes. Dude literally said he thought dallas mccarver died from tren cough with the autospy right in front of him stating cause of death being a heart attack. He also thinks back pumps from dbol and anadrol are from taurine deficiency. When someone says things this stupid i immediately write off anything else they have said. Steve being this guy.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Also vigirous steve doesnt know as much as he thinks he does. He over complicates the fuck out of using gear for muscle growth. Im sorry but he does. All gear will shut you down theres now way around that. Some things he gives good information but others im scratching my head by the shit he says sometimes. Dude literally said he thought dallas mccarver died from tren cough with the autospy right in front of him stating cause of death being a heart attack. He also thinks back pumps from dbol and anadrol are from taurine deficiency. When someone says things this stupid i immediately write off anything else they have said. Steve being this guy.

Vigorous Steve is an okay dude with good information.
But I agree with you he doesn’t know as much as he think it does.
I also didn’t like hear him bashing gh15 board. Just because Steve made the mistake to run very high dosages , that doesn’t mean he didn’t learn a ton on that board , everyone who was a member there knows good how much valuable informations this board did have. The place was a gold mine of informations and did have very knowledgeable members and pro bbers, a lot of “famous” bodybuilders did learn there.

 

[Sector]

Vigorous Steve is an okay dude with good information.
But I agree with you he doesn’t know as much as he think it does.
I also didn’t like hear him bashing gh15 board. Just because Steve made the mistake to run very high dosages , that doesn’t mean he didn’t learn a ton on that board , everyone who was a member there knows good how much valuable informations this board did have. The place was a gold mine of informations and did have very knowledgeable members and pro bbers, a lot of “famous” bodybuilders did learn there.

Yeah I miss that board. There was a lot of great people there that I'm still friends with. Was really bummed when I tried to login one day the website was gone

 

[asaly]

Vigorous Steve is an okay dude with good information.
But I agree with you he doesn’t know as much as he think it does.
I also didn’t like hear him bashing gh15 board. Just because Steve made the mistake to run very high dosages , that doesn’t mean he didn’t learn a ton on that board , everyone who was a member there knows good how much valuable informations this board did have. The place was a gold mine of informations and did have very knowledgeable members and pro bbers, a lot of “famous” bodybuilders did learn there.

Are you surprised that no one takes the "just take 1g of tren bro" guy seriously?

I wonder how many people have actually tried to do this shit

 

[readalot]

The effects of fluoxymesterone administration on testicular function - PubMed

Long term daily administration of fluoxymesterone (9alpha-fluoro-17alpha-methyl-11beta, 17beta-dihydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one) was associated with a modest suppression of sperm production and a profound suppression of testosterone levels in the absence of significant effects on plasma gonadotropin...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Long term daily administration of fluoxymesterone (9alpha-fluoro-17alpha-methyl-11beta, 17beta-dihydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one) was associated with a modest suppression of sperm production and a profound suppression of testosterone levels in the absence of significant effects on plasma gonadotropin levels.

I wonder if the authors tracked SHBG? Hence, did TT drop simply because of reduced liver production of SHBG or did Halo markedly reduce production of FT from the testes? Or both?

For instance running oxandrolone solo at modest doses would significantly lower SHBG and modestly reduce FT.

Testosterone Lab Work Results - Opinions Wanted

Agreed. Would be great to repeat this with accurate FT by ED and see if FT really affected. FT should be proportional to TRT dose and hence oxandrolone would have to affect the elimination rate of FT to change FT. My experience showed it did not. FT+SHBG is very fast equilibrium exchange...

forums.t-nation.com

I have also collected some data applicable for those on exogenous T and orals. I now have reasonable suspicion that 17AA AAS induce temporary reduction in liver clearance of Test which impacts AUC and observed FT level.

 

[Primoisthebest]

Using halo long term shutdown is your least important concern.