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HCG A MUST....?
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T-Bagger
Elite
HCG alone for the win.
Hcg is important
Do you feel you won't recover if you don't add that in or keep gains made better?
Maybe for keeping your balls from turning into raisins!
T-Bagger
Elite
HCG alone can restart natural test production.
The Terminator
Well-known Member
Only if your testicles are still operational.
T-Bagger
Elite
Thank God mine are then!
The Terminator
Well-known Member
Honestly I think if you were to only use one drug that clomifene would be superior for recovery from what I’ve read. Of course I’ve never done a pct, might try one if I decide to come off trt to see if my body can take over, so it’s all conjecture
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Elite
You’re probably right, but I’ve heard PCT makes you feel like total ass.
The Terminator
Well-known Member
Yea I’d think if you add in being suppressed for 1.5 years and pre trt levels were between 130-240 it’ll prob add up to feeling a bit low for a long while just to see if recovery at a higher T level is possible. Tbh idk if I wanna go thru with it lol. Might see if I could do hCG only or clomid or maybe just continue trt plus self prescribed hCG.
T-Bagger
Elite
Do you think a full PCT could actually help someone recover to higher levels than they were at? Is that even possible?
T-Bagger
Elite
My recovery levels from HCG alone was 359. That’s not horrible, given I was 45 years old at the time, though it was still on the low side. I wonder if Scally’s intense PCT or whatever it’s called could make me rebound higher.
The Terminator
Well-known Member
Well the only reason I think there is a possibility of recovering to a higher level of T is because I was subs, I was on benzos and possibly fentanyl on the 1st test, I was obese for half of the tests I took, I didn’t work out and untreated apnea. I’m wondering now that those things have been corrected whether my body would be able to recover at a higher level, and I’m 32 so I figure it may be worth a shot. I was kinda discouraged somewhat when I read a study that said subs don’t affect hormones to the extent of other opioids but then that was one study over 15+ years ago, I’m sure it cause suppression when used for a long time. I’m sure you could try a power pct to see if it helps long term, I’ve heard endo’s rx’ing clomid as a kinda pct, I know they use it as mono-therapy too.
359 isn’t all that high but it’s definitely not low either (if you were using the typical 500iu/wk you coulda bumped it up), and if you feel good at that level then it’s a pretty good level. Dudes are too obsessed with numbers, tbh I felt pretty damn good at 240, only at 130 did I have issues.
T-Bagger
Elite
I don’t recall how much I was running, but for some reason I want to say it was 800 or so iu/week. My cycle before last I ran 1000 iu starting at my 3rd week away from need of cycle until 2 weeks after. Never got blood work on that “PCT” though I wish I had.
The Terminator
Well-known Member
Ah ok you prob could of done a bit more, might have made a difference. I’ve heard some people taking a couple thousand iu’s per week for mono-therapy.
T-Bagger
Elite
I’m going to do more this next PCT after this cycle and see what it lands me. Not sure how much I should do and don’t want my e2 to blow up probably just going to do 1000 and see.
ironwill1951
New Member
the question the op asked is if hcg is a must.
although useful for all the reasons above it is certainly not a must.
although useful for all the reasons above it is certainly not a must.
Worf
Elite
bs
yes but it doesnt last, maybe 6 months
and a gallon of adex to keep estro in check. those doses are more in line with fertility protocols and fertility docs dont give a crap if a patient starts acting like a bitch or gets gyno
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