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Can someone say how much aromasin/adex you have to add per 1000 ius of hcg? Like you have to add extra 12,5 mg aromasin or 0.5 mg adex per 1000 ius hcg? Sure it's individual and such, still would like to hear your personal experiences. I would like to get an idea by how much it increases estrogen.
 
runway said:
Can someone say how much aromasin/adex you have to add per 1000 ius of hcg? Like you have to add extra 12,5 mg aromasin or 0.5 mg adex per 1000 ius hcg? Sure it's individual and such, still would like to hear your personal experiences. I would like to get an idea by how much it increases estrogen.
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I have read that an AI cant fix high estrogen from HCG because the estrogen comes from the testicles when HCG is used. Something to that effect.
 
AmazonianBody said:
I had to stop hcg because it was causing me gyno after running it for years with no issue, and since then i've felt no libido or motivation for things, even though my e2 and other markers are in range. My emotions are somewhat dulled and i just feel like something is missing. I think hcg was doing much more than just keeping my balls from shrinking.

I plan to restart using it in 2 weeks and fix my gyno issues.

Previously i was doing 250 IU, 3 times a week.
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u run BPC around same time? bpc can mess with emotions and dull everything even adrenal...
 
clearheaded said:
false. that essentially is saying AI only works if on exogenous T....THINK guys think...
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I am trying to find more but from what I have heard or read is that the leydig cells make estrogen and the AI is not good at stopping that. Below is from one study I can find for now. You could be right but I want studies.

human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) acutely stimulated aromatization. This stimulation was first observed at 1 hr, an 8-fold increase being found during a 4-hr incubation. The maximal amount of estradiol produced at saturating concentrations of testosterone and hCG was 1.8 ng per 10(6) cells. These results demonstrate that purified Leydig cells have a high capacity for aromatization and that hCG can acutely stimulate aromatization independently of stimulating testosterone synthesis
 
runway said:
@Type-IIx ?
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All E2 that men have is a product of aromatase. Either directly by T=(aromatase)=>E2, or indirectly by AD=(aromatase)=>E1=>E2.

This is true even despite hCG pharmacodynamics leading to an early-acute rise in E2 & E2:T, which is due to intra-testicular aromatase activity that is rapid.

Men simply don't have ovaries and so don't secrete E2 unless it's a product of aromatase.

So, practically, it is simply false that AI treatment does not reduce hCG/E2.
 
But also practically, you do need higher doses of AI to reduce intratesticular E2 concentrations. It is more difficult to suppress them, this is partly a function of how inhibiting enzymes works (need higher doses to get lower levels lower; and intra-testicular aromatase at endogenous/natural T levels accounts for only ~20% of circulating E2 meaning that supraphysiological T reduces that relative contribution even more so) but also because that intra-testicular aromatase has a rapid action.
 
Jabroni_Meathead said:
Driada - yes.

Fertility doses are above 1500iu EOD so i went between minimum proven doses of 250iu x2 /week. My balls not only shrunk but they damn near retracted all the way up. It took two months for them to drop again.
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Is your driada hcg from BG pharma? I think he's the only guy who supplies diada no?
 
Just want to update and say that im 3 pins into HCG again and i feel great. Even my girlfriend noticed that i've been happier and in a better mood for the past 2-3 days. My dick is even working better. This time i will try to find a solution for the gyno and keep the hcg in my pinning regime.
 
AmazonianBody said:
I had to stop hcg because it was causing me gyno after running it for years with no issue, and since then i've felt no libido or motivation for things, even though my e2 and other markers are in range. My emotions are somewhat dulled and i just feel like something is missing. I think hcg was doing much more than just keeping my balls from shrinking.

I plan to restart using it in 2 weeks and fix my gyno issues.

Previously i was doing 250 IU, 3 times a week.
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20mg Cialis
 
runway said:
How long does it usually take to see your balls back online when you start taking hcg mid cycle?
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I think a million factors.. esp to visually see. some people get larger loads in a few days (obv not more sperm yet).. some people wont see any change in nuts but may feel a little fuller... by online do u mean sperm counts?
 
clearheaded said:
I think a million factors.. esp to visually see. some people get larger loads in a few days (obv not more sperm yet).. some people wont see any change in nuts but may feel a little fuller... by online do u mean sperm counts?
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No i mean just bigger balls, when is it visible.
 
maybe a few weeks, maybe never.. I dunno if absolute cut off but id GUESS 3 or so months if nothing your prob shit outta luck.. but everyones different, may depend on brand aswell as fertility IU for ladies is different than men IU in a functional sense..

I noticed or felt I noticed pretty quick like 2 weeks maybe slight plumping/fullness, but wasn't mid cycle.
 
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