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loveyourbody
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I would like to know the beginning of time 
johnnyBALLZ
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A few things aren't quite adding up here... If Herc was intentionally scamming why would he pay biologic what I assume to be almost retail prices to fill orders and not make any money? Why not just send oil? And as someone else already mentioned, why would he be out of stock so often? Maybe his powders were bad??
I don't know Herc but your silence with all of this going on is making you look more guilty by the minute..
I don't know Herc but your silence with all of this going on is making you look more guilty by the minute..
Stretch
Subscriber
Yeah. And Herc repaid me by telling his customers through PM that the bunk gear was from biologic. Why he would do that I have no idea, since I have done NOTHING but plug him, and help him with gear when he is low on stock. He has also told other customers that NO ONE else has complained about bad gear. A statement which is 100% false. Since his customers have been complaining to me since day one. I forwarded HERC the complaints from customers, and allowed him to handle it as he saw fit. This was MONTHS ago. Long before he ever outsourced from biologic. At the time I was morally conflicted about what to do.
I had positively repped Herc. And now people were saying the quality was off, but they WEREN"T saying it to the forum, only through PM. I forwarded the PM's to 5 of the VET's here. 4 of them told me I should keep my mouth shut and stay out of it. 1 said I should blow the lid off the situation.
I took the advice of the 4, and stayed out of the situation. I believed Herc to be honest and thought he would handle the situation fairly.
Now he has more complaints months later, after he outsourced, and all of a sudden its 1000% biologic's fault??
Yeah, right. The real bitch is, he didn't even pay for the 100ML's of Test he received most recently. It was given to him because there was a delay with a different product that he did pay for.
He didn't ask for a freebie. I gave it to him because I genuinely felt bad about delaying him a few days on the product he paid for.
Everyone here knows no one brews 100ML batches. So obviously he got a small % of a larger batch which BIOLOGIC's customers are running RIGHT NOW.
Has anyone seen complaints?
Alright then.
So we have 2 sources. One has had complaints/questions about potency since day 1, the other has NEVER had a question about potency.
The only way a cynical mind could blame this on biologic, is if that cynical person believed that BioLogic purposely diluted gear in an effort to sabotage Herc's business.
But then ask yourself, why would we have come out and named ourselves as the people who Herc outsourced from in the face of all this drama? (Herc would have never named us, because that would go against all ethics for this business) After I named Biologic as the company that Herc outsourced from, I had several PM's from people asking me if I am crazy, saying I am setting myself up as the perfect scapegoat. I never thought Herc would try to go there. It's such an infantile argument.
I have opportunities to fuck people over for their money everyday here. I am a strong proponent of the idea that the truth always comes out in the end. I am wanting to be here for the long haul, and I try to make sure all of my actions reflect this desire.
Right now I am holding $5k for a group buy of GH. You think I couldn't say we got scammed and eventually rebuild my reputation from a situation like that? (well now I can't
) But seriously, there are only a few options here for any logical thinker.A) Herc has a cheaper powder source than biologic.
B) Herc produces good gear. Biologic produces good gear. But biologic fucked up on a batch accidentally and herc received some of biologic's honest mistake.
C) Biologic intentionally gave herc 100mls of shit product FOR FREE...in order to fuck his business over.
If "A" is true we would expect to see Herc's gear be painful. This has been widely reported to be the case. I myself have ran Herc's gear, and I can vouch for it being pretty painful, as I stated in his thread, months ago.
If "A" is true we would also expect to see hit or miss batches from Herc, since cheap powder sources are rarely consistent with their purity levels. This has also been well documented to be true by Herc's own customers LONG BEFORE he ever outsourced from Biologic.
Finally, if "A" is true, we would expect to see Herc's prices near the bottom of the food chain as far as UGL's go. And his site speaks for itself.
If "B" were true. We would be seeing questionable reviews of biologic's gear that was sold during the same time frame. Are we? Not that I know of.
I realize that "C" also seems a very logical conclusion. And being the cynical person that I am, I might be tempted to believe this was good option for the truth.
However, most of you don't know that at the same time biologic sold Herc the 100ML's of test he is claiming to be bunk, we also sold him 500ML's of TrenA that his customers are raving about being wicked strong. So explain to me why we would give him, for free, and without him requesting, 100ML's of bunk product which cost $40 to produce. While simultaneously selling him 500ML's of product, which costs 5x as much to produce.
100ML's test = $100 he claims bunk
500ML's Tren = $1000 customers claim is fire.
Then when people start complaining, biologic puts it in the open that we were the ones he outsourced from, placing ourselves in the middle of a firestorm.
I am angry with this whole situation. I'm frustrated. And I just rambled for the past hour writing this. I'm not going back and reading to make it more concise or clear. Fuck it. Anyone who hangs out here, has a brain, and knows the people involved in this situation, knows exactly what's going on.
yeah.. He has a fucking buck to pass.
I know where there is some. Didn't you order from Bio?
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ChrisWarrenH
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He told me the gear he outsourced from bio was good and not to worry. I can screenshot it and post it when I get to a computer
1forthegeeks
New Member
Damn!
Stretch
Subscriber
Well this is the PM I woke up to this morning. It's from a known Herc customer. That customer can choose to assign his name to this message or not. It's not my place to tell who provided me with information, but this is the reason for my long "tell-all" above.
searay
New Member
Uh oh!!!
johnnyBALLZ
Well-known Member
Ok, it's officially over now.. Stretch put all the nails in the coffin and buried that fucker 6 feet deep.
the3nergizer
New Member
Would love to see herc's reply to this. He's got some explaining to do. I got some of his gear on my counter now, and luckily I haven't used it!
Noob/shill/inconsequential post
I have cyp from the same lot# that rlhall posted pictures of. When it was mentioned that Hercules was subbing out products, I immediately emailed him to ensure that I wasn't jabbing a product like STP's floaters, he told me right away (before Stretch posted in this thread) that it was Bio's product that was being subbed.
When I asked about the potential underdosing, he did not place blame, he wrote "I highly doubt any of my stuff or bio’s is under-dosed. I made sure my chemist put a little more extra in just to make sure nothing was less than the advertised dosage"
So of course every lab will claim that their own numbers are good, but he did not bad mouth Bio's product to me.
As for the cyp, as per a separate PM discussion, it's clear that mine is not bio's, I will say, I am using it for small TRT doses at the moment, so chances are (even underdosed) I would realize benefits considering how fucked I felt before using. Someone cycling that depends on the numbers would likely notice underdosing WAY before I would.
Off topic, why does my SN link to someone else's name?
This is where it links
thinksteroids.com/forum/members/-.html
This is where it should
thinksteroids.com/forum/members/®®®.html
I have cyp from the same lot# that rlhall posted pictures of. When it was mentioned that Hercules was subbing out products, I immediately emailed him to ensure that I wasn't jabbing a product like STP's floaters, he told me right away (before Stretch posted in this thread) that it was Bio's product that was being subbed.
When I asked about the potential underdosing, he did not place blame, he wrote "I highly doubt any of my stuff or bio’s is under-dosed. I made sure my chemist put a little more extra in just to make sure nothing was less than the advertised dosage"
So of course every lab will claim that their own numbers are good, but he did not bad mouth Bio's product to me.
As for the cyp, as per a separate PM discussion, it's clear that mine is not bio's, I will say, I am using it for small TRT doses at the moment, so chances are (even underdosed) I would realize benefits considering how fucked I felt before using. Someone cycling that depends on the numbers would likely notice underdosing WAY before I would.
Off topic, why does my SN link to someone else's name?
This is where it links
thinksteroids.com/forum/members/-.html
This is where it should
thinksteroids.com/forum/members/®®®.html
BIGMESC
New Member
I do not have a dog in this fight but I said I would post my lab results after 8 weeks of Herc test cyp at 500mg a week with an occasional test prop bump on date night
. Here they are.
Testosterone, Serum
Testosterone, Serum >1500 HIGH 348-1197 ng/dL PD
Luteinizing Hormone(LH), S LH 0.1 LOW 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL PD
FSH, Serum
FSH <0.2 LOW 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL PD
Estradiol
Estradiol 175.6 HIGH 7.6-42.6 pg/mL
. Here they are.Testosterone, Serum
Testosterone, Serum >1500 HIGH 348-1197 ng/dL PD
Luteinizing Hormone(LH), S LH 0.1 LOW 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL PD
FSH, Serum
FSH <0.2 LOW 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL PD
Estradiol
Estradiol 175.6 HIGH 7.6-42.6 pg/mL
ChrisWarrenH
New Member
You received only one message? I kinda feel like he said he outsourced it, but didn't blame the bad batches on it. As soon as he said he outsourced there were several ppl that spread that the bunk gear was outsourced like wildfire. He may have said that or may have not said that. I don't know. What I do know is I've been a her customer since the beginning, and he blatantly told me the outsourced bio gear I received was good and I need not worry. He never once accused it on bio to me. I have proof he said this to me. And I will post the proof when I get to a computer. Did the person that claims this have anything backing his claim? I feel like he probably had some bad powder or maybe even stretched his powder a little, but I also believe the blame being shifted to bio is a misunderstanding. Granted, I could be wrong, but why would he blame gear problems on one bio to one customer, but not the other? That just doesn't add up to me.
ChrisWarrenH
New Member
I also cruise so if my cyp was under dosed I would definitely feel it as well....
yeeyee
New Member
Gonna get blood tested today. On last week of test from him. Ill let yall know whether or not I'm going to murder him lol.
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