TomGlass
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Does anyone know if hospira bac water is faked? Are there any sites to stay away from?
Iv seen prices range from $8-$15 for 30ml
Iv seen prices range from $8-$15 for 30ml
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songsofpyramids
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Yes, I’ve seen it faked. It’s mostly shit designed to look like Hospira but not marketed as Hospira. I’m not up to date on sources because I bought enough for years.
songsofpyramids
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Interesting. I wonder if this is why hgh destroys my sleep so seriously.
jdubzzz44
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I just cut hgh out I don’t think the benefits for me personally are worth the increase in resting heart rate and water retention
I've seen reports that GH can downregulate T4 production, so some people supplement exogenous t4 with higher doses of GH. It does seem to upregulate T3 though, based on the study below, so I'm not sure how that nets out on overall thyroid function as a whole
Seems @Lord Commander has a good point. Im just suprised it would be so noticeable at 4iu
"Growth hormone treatment reduces T4 secretion and affects the peripheral metabolism of thyroid hormones resulting in an increase of T3 and a reduction of rT3 concentration."
The effect of growth hormone on the plasma levels of T4, free-T4, T3, reverse T3 an TBG in hypopituitary patients - PubMed
The plasma concentrations of thyroxine (T4), free thyroxine (free-T4), triiodothyronine (T3), reverse triiodothyronine (rT3), TSH and thyroxine-binding globulin (TBG) were measured in 19 children suffering from idiopathic growth hormone deficiency. Blood was taken before and one month after...
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songsofpyramids
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I have zero water retention that I can see or feel, but I am worried about the increase in rhr and decrease in hrv that I experience on it. Debating cutting it because of that as well. Also debating m w f dosing to see if it evens anything out. I love everything about it except the heart rate bs.
Ateam2023
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What is your rhr? Mine is 69-75 on 4 ius taken at night but thats my range
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songsofpyramids
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It’s 83 average right now but normal for me is mid 60s. It happened super quick, about a month after starting gh again. It happened on my last gh cycle as well and bounced back super quick. Unsure what to think about it. Currently on 4iu but was doing 5iu till last week. Was seeing it edging the dose down made me sleep better and lowered my rhr.
Ateam2023
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I guess my range today according to apple watch its from 58-111 i never really looked at it as far as a daily fluctuation i just look at my rhr 5-6 times a day with the highest i see being 75
songsofpyramids
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Mine tracks an average I can see over time. Over the last year I can track my hrv go down and up directly lined up with my use of gh. It also seems not to matter what dose I’m on. I can also see it bounces back in about a month. I wonder if I should get my t3/t4 tested?
This makes me want to double down on Type-IIX’s idea that gh is best used in cycles not 24/7/365, at least for someone seeing strain on their cardio system like me.
Ateam2023
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i was seriously thinking the same thing to get thyroid tested
Would be great data honestly
Yeah, a good mate of mine jumped on QSC 10iu blue tops, same batch as I had been running for months with zero issues at much higher doses. He got to 4iu and had crippling carpel tunnel!
I 100% agree with you that sides are very much genetic and other GH sides are very much dependent on physiological makeup of each person. Some people just get unlucky and are more prone to sides.
I am starting to think that a lot of the sides can be controlled through very strict diet/avoiding trigger foods. I also thing processed foods in general are trigger foods (I think this is in general, its just a visible issue when we add in extra GH).
You using generics? Switch to pharma and I bet you won't have this problem.
Stop using generics and it will more than likely solve your problem. Get a kit of Pharma GH and compare to the generic you're using, I bet your water retention will be gone, or at the least greatly diminished. Everyone is different of course, but I can jump right on 6iu of Serostim and have very little to no water retention and that is with a not so clean diet.
F41l0r1337
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I have also noticed this, what is the cause?
price x2 =/
TomGlass
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Still got the fat water bag legs but they don't seem as bad, I don't know if that's real or just me being hopeful....on a positive note if you got fat water bag legs and are afraid people will notice just wear white nike monarchs to the gym with high white socks and no one will question your kankles.
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AlexDavis43
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As you said, everyone is different. I've bounced between pharma and UGL a lot, 10-12 IU/d, and I must be one of the lucky ones. No big diff in CTS/edema between pharma and UGL (given same doses*)
*that part's important. What's your shit testing at? [rhetorical]
benfrankparkway
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what bodyfat are you at. I am wondering if this is the case for some who bloat more. I have a friend who is on K4L and at 4 iu his ankles are huge. He carries a little more bodyfat, i would say he is near 18%
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