HGH for joint pain/injuries

[hghlover]

I found tb500 and bpc157 to have almost completely healed my elbows and shoulders. Way better than GH IMO.

I use all three. QSC have dirt cheap tb4 and bpc 157.

I would recommend tb4 over tb500, much wider range of effects.

 

[Type-IIx]

I was speaking strictly in the context of worsening his bicep tear or his tendonitis (depending on the cause of the tendonitis)

I should have been more explicit

It can

 

[clearheaded]

I use all three. QSC have dirt cheap tb4 and bpc 157.

I would recommend tb4 over tb500, much wider range of effects.

dont understand why people want to mess with immune system function in very unknown ways using those TB peptides. many people even note it sparks anaphylaxis just not a good think IMO to be taking daily and who knows what super arthritis or auto immune issues(however small or big) in the future... anyway just my opinion.

 

[hghlover]

dont understand why people want to mess with immune system function in very unknown ways using those TB peptides. many people even note it sparks anaphylaxis just not a good think IMO to be taking daily and who knows what super arthritis or auto immune issues(however small or big) in the future... anyway just my opinion.

It's important to highlight the risks aswell, 100%. When dealing with chronic injuries that cripple daily life you become pretty desperate

 

[clearheaded]

It's important to highlight the risks aswell, 100%. When dealing with chronic injuries that cripple daily life you become pretty desperate

yes just think folks need to chill out esp on the TB IMO.. if a diagnosed issue and its either BPC or surgery and gave it a solid few weeks of rest and months and months of rehab and 0 improvement, than ya a month or 2 of bps may be worth it to avoid going under the knife.. but I think vast majority of "healing" is simply pain relief and why pain comes back when u stop as wasn't healed, just like taking an antidepressant for the pain... one always has to think is this compound healing people in 2 weeks? or is it just pain relief? if ACTUALLY worked as fast as people notice relief what else is it growing? nothing wrong with pain relief we just dont know if its safer than antidepressants or aspirin.

 

[eddied]

I have suffered with golfers elbow for quite a while and tried everything under the sun and work my elbows daily for an hour both at the gym and home. Flexbar, cortizone shots, ice, bpc157, tb500, rest etc have not done much. I recently added NPP150 to my TRT regiment after reading about the joint health it provides and for the first time in a few years my elbows are showing improvement and overall feel better since I added the NPP. For those desperate I would def give this a shot and keep doing those hammer curls.

 

[BigTomJ]

It can

I was unaware, I would have thought GH would be an almost universal benefit in those situations.

Which do you say GH can worsen, the tear or the tendonitis?
In what way?

 

[sbtr12]

I was unaware, I would have thought GH would be an almost universal benefit in those situations.

Which do you say GH can worsen, the tear or the tendonitis?
In what way?

Here, lll throw you a bone, go back and actually read post #11 where @Type-IIx responded to @99people99. That post alone covers at least part of your questions but perhaps he can elaborate more on that post.

You really should think more before you type especially when you continue to make statements as if they are facts when giving advice to people.
Remember this is a harm reduction forum. Someone could have fucked themselves up more by believing what you typed is fact.

What you would have thought is not a fact. @99people99 you are much better off listening to @Type-IIx advice in this situation (post #11 and anything further he adds).Type II knows his stuff. Others, not as much.

You did the right thing @99people99 by asking for additional advice earlier in this thread and not just taking someone's word as fact. Best of luck in resolving your situation.

 

[BigTomJ]

Here, lll throw you a bone, go back and actually read post #11 where @Type-IIx responded to @99people99. That post alone covers at least part of your questions but perhaps he can elaborate more on that post.

You really should think more before you type especially when you continue to make statements as if they are facts when giving advice to people.
Remember this is a harm reduction forum. Someone could have fucked themselves up more by believing what you typed is fact.

What you would have thought is not a fact. @99people99 you are much better off listening to @Type-IIx advice in this situation (post #11 and anything further he adds).Type II knows his stuff. Others, not as much.

You did the right thing @99people99 by asking for additional advice earlier in this thread and not just taking someone's word as fact. Best of luck in resolving your situation.

You aren't qualified to be involved in this discussion @lifter6973 @mass gain

You're the perennial poser masquerading as a member on these forums.

Go back to your coloring books and your cheese puffs, the adults are talking.
You don't even understand the topic of conversation or what I asked in the first place.

 

[99people99]

Here, lll throw you a bone, go back and actually read post #11 where @Type-IIx responded to @99people99. That post alone covers at least part of your questions but perhaps he can elaborate more on that post.

You really should think more before you type especially when you continue to make statements as if they are facts when giving advice to people.
Remember this is a harm reduction forum. Someone could have fucked themselves up more by believing what you typed is fact.

What you would have thought is not a fact. @99people99 you are much better off listening to @Type-IIx advice in this situation (post #11 and anything further he adds).Type II knows his stuff. Others, not as much.

You did the right thing @99people99 by asking for additional advice earlier in this thread and not just taking someone's word as fact. Best of luck in resolving your situation.

Thanks decided to get off hgh when I read type-II's post, like he said everything has a tradeoff. Sold my kits already for a nice profit lol.

I am in my mid-twenties and naturally very lean, so I do not really need it anyway. I feel like more bad than good can come from it. I did feel fuller on it but the unknowns of long term use are not worth it to me, as I am not a pro bodybuilder. I just lift because I love it. We know steroids work and their consequences. The benefit/risk of Hgh is not as clear cut to me the more I research, especially when used at a young age. I will probably use when I'm 40+ years old, if ever again.

 

[jankoch]

It can

Also in general- not just this particular injury type- how does dose affect whether its detrimental or good for the injury? Is it possible that its beneficial in lower doses and can be bad after a certain dose?

 

[AlexDavis43]

Thanks decided to get off hgh when I read type-II's post, like he said everything has a tradeoff. Sold my kits already for a nice profit lol.

I am in my mid-twenties and naturally very lean, so I do not really need it anyway. I feel like more bad than good can come from it. I did feel fuller on it but the unknowns of long term use are not worth it to me, as I am not a pro bodybuilder. I just lift because I love it. We know steroids work and their consequences. The benefit/risk of Hgh is not as clear cut to me the more I research, especially when used at a young age. I will probably use when I'm 40+ years old, if ever again.

Kinda wise for a 20-something. Good on you.

 

[ThinBulk]

Also in general- not just this particular injury type- how does dose affect whether its detrimental or good for the injury? Is it possible that its beneficial in lower doses and can be bad after a certain dose?

Consistently high levels of GH don't allow the body to properly rid itself of damaged, and unneeded cells. This also goes for random cells in your body that are past their useful life.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Consistently high levels of GH don't allow the body to properly rid itself of damaged, and unneeded cells. This also goes for random cells in your body that are past their useful life.

ooh sounds scary

 

[Type-IIx]

Kinda wise for a 20-something. Good on you.

Thanks decided to get off hgh when I read type-II's post, like he said everything has a tradeoff. Sold my kits already for a nice profit lol.

I am in my mid-twenties and naturally very lean, so I do not really need it anyway. I feel like more bad than good can come from it. I did feel fuller on it but the unknowns of long term use are not worth it to me, as I am not a pro bodybuilder. I just lift because I love it. We know steroids work and their consequences. The benefit/risk of Hgh is not as clear cut to me the more I research, especially when used at a young age. I will probably use when I'm 40+ years old, if ever again.

I'm surprised my posts have deterred people from GH...

It's still pretty rational for someone with body comp. objectives in mind to use it. It's just not a panacea. Neither is trenbolone; but for some reason people think I practically shower in the shit.

Every intervention has tradeoffs, risk/rewards, and require balancing efficacy versus tolerability. If you found its intolerability to not be worth its benefits for body comp & recovery/strength, though, great!

 

[Type-IIx]

Also in general- not just this particular injury type- how does dose affect whether its detrimental or good for the injury? Is it possible that its beneficial in lower doses and can be bad after a certain dose?

Some things are not dose effects, but drug ones. There are, also, time effects.

GH's effects on arthritis are mostly time effects.

 

[Type-IIx]

Some things are not dose effects, but drug ones. There are, also, time effects.

GH's effects on arthritis are mostly time effects.

Some examples:

Drug Effects
Trenbolone & effects on sleep disturbance. There is no minimal dose where trenbolone doesn't impact sleep for those who experience it. It's the drug per se.

Dose Effects
Testosterone dose-dependently, logarithmically, increases LBM, subject to a theoretical, but as yet unidentified (merely inferred by Forbes), sigmoidal (S-shaped) function or curve. The S-shape describes the inflection point above which greater doses no longer elicit further LBM increases.

Time Effects
In a resistance training program, the hypertrophy stimulus is more a function of time than dose (weight, reps, set #). It's more important that load is progressed over chronic time frames.

 

[FunkOdyssey]

Yes. GH excess causes tendinopathy, osteoarthritis, bony overgrowth, edema, etc.

This struck me as very counterintuitive. I had assumed the anabolic properties of GH on connective tissue would help preserve my joint health, reduce the risk of osteoarthritis, and help maintain my mobility and training capacity into advanced ages. Upon looking into it more though, you are absolutely right.

This definitely changes the calculation around whether it's wise to run this compound through middle age.

 

[hghlover]

This struck me as very counterintuitive. I had assumed the anabolic properties of GH on connective tissue would help preserve my joint health, reduce the risk of osteoarthritis, and help maintain my mobility and training capacity into advanced ages. Upon looking into it more though, you are absolutely right.

This definitely changes the calculation around whether it's wise to run this compound through middle age.

HGH does help. You're not supposed to run stupidly insane doses, anything goes out the window at that point. Run it at theraputic doses like it's meant to, and it's anti aging abilites will shine, with minimal to no side effects.

 

[malfeasance]

Some things are not dose effects, but drug ones. There are, also, time effects.

GH's effects on arthritis are mostly time effects.

How does it affect arthritis?

I could not find anything definitive. This guy in plain English says there is basically no evidence for its effectiveness in treating arthritis.

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