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Hgh Vs igf-1 : What do you prefer ?
- Thread starter Bigtruck
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I prefer Growth
There's considerable give and take side effects with these two drugs and from an anabolic perspective there's really not much difference.
Since both mandate recombinant technology to manufacture neither are inexpensive either.
Since both mandate recombinant technology to manufacture neither are inexpensive either.
I prefer IGF-1 myself. You dont have that initial buildup process that takes several months to see results like you do with HGH, its more cost effective since it can be run in shorter cycles, easier to acquire with much less chance of getting something underdosed or fake. I like the idea that I can just order a vial of it and run it in a 4 wk block, take 4 wks off, 4 wks back on, etc etc. Just more cost effective to me and gives your body a chance to adjust back to normal, unlike GH where you've been on for a really long time and seems like it takes longer for things to stabilize. IGF-1 for me!!
Jimmyinkedup
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The problem with hgh is now threefold the way i see it. 2 of the problems have always been the case - the third recently is out of hand. First you have to run it at a proper dosage. Second you have to run it for long duration (like 6 months IMO) Third is the struggle to get legitimate GH right now. There is so much fake GH its worse than I ever recall. For a lot of poeple these factors lean favor to words peptides in many cases
Pericles
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Spot on, Jimmy.
Has anyone run the igf-1 DES from Cem Meso? I want to use it while one cycle, yes? Would it still be effective when I go back to trt @ 200mg per week?
My main concern about igf-1 is it can cause cancer cells to grow.
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but if you have cancer you have cancer, your natural hgh would also help cancer cells grow.
its NOT igf1 that causes cancer, but if you have cancer then aas and hgh/peps would be out of the question in my op. some aas might be used to help hold mass, but this pro vs. con should be looked at by a doc.
Yes it would still be effective when back on hrt.
IGF1 is AMAZING!
I have been using it for a few years now off and on. and got some des in this year too (I was/am a long time fan of lr3 but wanted ot try Des after my research)
I would run it in 6-10 week cycles (not 7-12 months at a time like hgh)
and pin it 2X a day at 10-15mcg each pin, just how i would do it, but people have their own ways on this too.
I highly rec cem-meso's peps.
I havent had an issue yet over many orders.
I do also like the cjc/ghrp combo. but igf1 is better for mass and gains in say a 10 week span.
Pericles
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Thanks J. Lots of good info, except saying that "if you have cancer you have cancer." Cancer is linked to carcinogenics (like potato chips, smoking, etc), and these items stimulate the growth of cancer cells. IGF-1 is in the same boat, at least concerning some of the literature I have read.
Of course a larger question is "if I am eating clean, training hard w/ lots of cardio, do these offset the IGF-1?" Quite possibly yes.
In any event, I still may pick up some from Cem meso, you are correct about their quality.
another option would be to run a higher amount of cjc-1295 with huperzine -A. The huperzine is an OTC supplement and it does something with your neurotransmitters which causes many more pulses of GH release throughout the day. I've tried this before and you can definitely tell the difference between using huperzine A and when your not using it, it magnifies the effect of CJC big time!!! The ghrp just makes me too damn hungry and puffy looking. If I was to use it again it would be more cjc (3000mcg/wk instead of 2000mcg) and the huperzine-A. There was an article that stated "cjc-1295 with huperzine-A is like walking around with an IV bag of GH on your back all the time" You'd stay much harder looking with this option rather than using the ghrp IMO.
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Will try these secretalogs with my combon of igf1/peg-mgf. Thanks a lot bro
good deal. Personally I didn't get anything out of MGF, when it first came out it sounded like the hottest thing going, its kind of on the back burner right now though. Try it, maybe you'll respond to it. but my experience wasn't too great with it. Once you find a winning combo stick with it!! Too many people changing their minds and looking for the next best thing all the time. Stick with what works and run it over and over if its banging for you!! Good luck man
Yop bro, will try campounds that works for me. I'm sure will love this combo As said a friend : Your own hgh will be always better than hyge, saizen or other.
read guy wo said "igf when taken can cause intestinal growth, hgh when broken down in the liver and turned into igf internally the intestinal growth does not occur at the same rate. Hgh is safer and does not cause turtle belly". what do you think about ?
As said a friend : Your own hgh will be always better than hyge, saizen or other.read guy wo said "igf when taken can cause intestinal growth, hgh when broken down in the liver and turned into igf internally the intestinal growth does not occur at the same rate. Hgh is safer and does not cause turtle belly". what do you think about ?
Yop bro, will try campounds that works for me. I'm sure will love this combo
read guy wo said "igf when taken can cause intestinal growth, hgh when broken down in the liver and turned into igf internally the intestinal growth does not occur at the same rate. Hgh is safer and does not cause turtle belly". what do you think about ?
I think the intestinal growth is worse with IGF-1. It can get bad with GH too though, from the IGF-1 conversion process. The insulin makes it bad too, I no longer monkey with insulin. I'm not sure how old you are, but as we age the midsection seems to get bigger anyways so that is a major issue for myself as I'd like to keep a nice, tight waistline. I think using a bout of GH or IGF-1 here or there is ok, but I'd never be the type of guy who stays on it religiously. It can totally destroy a physique, and much of the damage/change is irreversable
the problem with HGH is whatever cells are available end up absorbing it, unfortunately its not just muscle cells, its organs/intestines. Now with a product like CJC-1295 its being absorbed by strictly the muscle cells, since its triggering GH release by your own pituitary. Synthetic GH is not, it goes wherever it wants to. I will no longer monkey around with GH or insulin, and it'd be rare I'd use IGF-1, partly because my A1C levels are high and I'm fighting like hell to get them lower and IGF-1 would not help my cause much I wouldn't think. But I'd really like to give CJC-1295 another go
Regardless of whether the GH is injected or secreted from the pituitary it still ends up in general circulation with "access" to the same cell types. Not sure what you mean?
It's my understanding that CJC-1295 is nothing more than an "extended release" growth hormone releasing hormone due to its ability to bind to serum albumin. The end result is still GH in the blood stream and CJC-1295 has no effect on target cell uptake.
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shamrockbear1
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Well I think cost and permanent gains is an issue I get gh about $1an iu generic blue tops and there decent quality... So peps cost even more! So that's crazy why spend double and when I did try the peps the effects are temporary. Plus I'm over 40 and gh honestly keeps me looking at least 5 years younger. Have you seen the preview for bullet to the brain (bad name) with Stallone he's like 60 and with all the gh and gear he runs he looks better than most guys 30 years younger. So I think gh gains feel more permanent and make you look younger... I don't feel peps do that...
lets not forget cameras and makeup too. Stallone looks good, but he dont look 30 yrs younger, hahaha
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