How Does PCT Off Tren Work? (19 nor metabolite question)

[ShamelessQuestions86]

So I read/watched/heard that Nandralone has metabolites that last in the body for months following injections. Tren has the same, so technically speaking despite Tren Acetate having a half life of roughly 1-3 days, you are actually shutdown for 1-6 months? I was wondering on anybodies knowledge on this fact.

Basically, can I run tren for 8 weeks and PCT off like a regular cycle (assuming I was)? Or is there some fine print on Tren were it requires clearance of metabolites?

Lastly, I am aware that they aren't necessarily active metabolites, meaning they don't guarrantee shutdown. But I still don't know exactly how it works.

 

[Jin23]

Hmmm okay, so (in theory) you could just run Tren Ace with Test and something and then you'd be clear whenever the Enanthate ester clears. Interesting, I wonder why so many people stay shut down so long after a 19nor. It's not particularly like a PCT is required, so it can't really be a "failed pct". Maybe just the androgen load?

Not all androgens have the same effects on the HPTA. It's a lot more complicated then the bro science is capable of understanding and it's more complicated then actual science is willing to admit and besides that, it's actually pretty understudied. I agree with the general consensus of bro forums that 19nor's shut down harder, although I don't have empirical data to back up such a claim.

 

[OmL]

Over on redddit they claim that you cannot PCT for up to 18 months after trenbolone or nandrolone.

 

[Jin23]

Over on redddit they claim that you cannot PCT for up to 18 months after trenbolone or nandrolone.

That's moronic.

 

[lukiss96]

I don't understand why using tren is so popular, it's cosmetic appeal that some people seem to love evaporates soon after you stop taking it. In other more simple words 'gains' are not sustainable for any meaningful amount of time.

Guys can't maintain that look even on trt/cruise, let alone naturals who expect for something to last.

Finally, screwing with your hormones as a natural just for a (very) temporary look is such a bad idea that you might as well blast and cruise to avoid such roller coasters (not recommending). It's just crazy. Yet we laugh at guys who do oral, well at least they will recover much quicker and the end result won't be night and day when both come off and few months pass.

 

[Jin23]

I don't understand why using tren is so popular, it's cosmetic appeal that some people seem to love evaporates soon after you stop taking it. In other more simple words 'gains' are not sustainable for any meaningful amount of time.

Guys can't maintain that look even on trt/cruise, let alone naturals who expect for something to last.

Finally, screwing with your hormones as a natural just for a (very) temporary look is such a bad idea that you might as well blast and cruise to avoid such roller coasters (not recommending). It's just crazy. Yet we laugh at guys who do oral, well at least they will recover much quicker and the end result won't be night and day when both come off and few months pass.

There's reason to cycle and not cruise, like anything else, both have their pluses and minuses. However, a lot of people have a false hope of retaining enough muscle size when only cycling vs b&c because of which they start cycling way too often. In my opinion, if we are talking about purely cosmetic reasons, there is only one sensible reason for cycling and that is to conserve muscle mass while cutting. This way, you wont ever really surpass your natty limits, so there wont be any losses after cessation of the cycle and you wont be driven to cycle more and more because of it. So I'm talking about a 6 month natty bulk and then a 3 month enhanced cut. That's it, period. Learn how to train properly and get some help for cutting, which is hands down the most detrimental thing for natty's if they wanna get to 8 - 10%.

 

[lukiss96]

There's reason to cycle and not cruise, like anything else, both have their pluses and minuses. However, a lot of people have a false hope of retaining enough muscle size when only cycling vs b&c because of which they start cycling way too often. In my opinion, if we are talking about purely cosmetic reasons, there is only one sensible reason for cycling and that is to conserve muscle mass while cutting. This way, you wont ever really surpass your natty limits, so there wont be any losses after cessation of the cycle and you wont be driven to cycle more and more because of it. So I'm talking about a 6 month natty bulk and then a 3 month enhanced cut. That's it, period. Learn how to train properly and get some help for cutting, which is hands down the most detrimental thing for natty's if they wanna get to 8 - 10%.

Makes sense man. Sometimes hard to see outside of bnc side of things. I guess natties sticking to more basic steroids while leaving hardcore steroids alone like 19 nors (deca & tren) would be best for them to achieve those goals.

 

[ShamelessQuestions86]

So I'm talking about a 6 month natty bulk and then a 3 month enhanced cut. That's it, period.

If I ever cycled that would be pretty much all I'd do. And then obviously if I get the itch to get massive I'd just roll other stuff. I'm almost there anyways I just need to cut a little bit left, but the surgeries gonna fuck shit up so rip gains.

It seems it's a lot more complicated than we think. Also people can only really assume, especially on crazy stuff like this.