How does this LIGHT DNP cycle look?

[kilsong]

This is my first DNP cycle. Have 50 mg DNP caps on hand.
Currently on Tren Ace 75mg EOD and Test 150mg per week.

Age:46
Height: 6'4
Weight: 255 lbs
Unknown bodyfat %--but below 15% but I'm in shape with medium visual abs.
Extremely vascular.

I know everybody says to start at 200mg per day to assess tolerance, but I'm starting at 100mg.

Day 1-100mg
Day 2-100mg
Day 3-100mg

IF its I haven't had an allergic reaction, day 4 forward looks as follows:

Day 4-200mg
Day 5-200mg
Day 6-200mg

IF all is bearable, day 7 forward will look as follows:

Day 7-300mg
Day 8-300mg
Day 9-300mg
Day 10-300mg

Perhaps-300 or even 400 mg for an additional 3-5 days.

I'll be applying standard precautions with supplements and high water intake.

Suggestions? Comments? Concerns?

 

[Dr JIM]

WHY ARE YOU EVEN THINKING ABOUT RUNNING DNP?

WHAT is your objective, be specific ?

 

[MrRippedZilla]

That actually sounds like a surprisingly sensible approach

The one thing I will add is that 3 days at a specific dose really isn't sufficient time to judge anything. Not really an issue for you unless you plan on increasing to 400mg from 300mg - in which case I recommend giving it at least a week before making that particular decision.

In terms of supplements, what specifically do you plan on taking?

 

[kilsong]

Fat loss Dr.Jim, fat loss.
That is my only objective.

 

[kilsong]

Supplements will include A, C, E, D, high potency multi,high potency QUALITY antioxidant, and zinc.
The decision of going from 300 to 400 will indeed be a delayed choice now that you mention it. I actually planned on staying at 300 a longer period of time to see how I feel

 

[Dr JIM]

Fat loss that will return if you don't change your lifestyle!

Because DNP is a very risky, shoddy, lackadaisical and temporary way to "lose fat", I would NEVER recommend it!

How will you feel………. LIKE SHIT!

 

[MrRippedZilla]

Supplements will include A, C, E, D, high potency multi,high potency QUALITY antioxidant, and zinc.
The decision of going from 300 to 400 will indeed be a delayed choice now that you mention it. I actually planned on staying at 300 a longer period of time to see how I feel

I'd personally stick to the multi only during your run and maybe add the C, E and antioxidant post-dnp run where ROS (oxidative stress) seems to rebound and MAY cause problems (big MAY there).
D3 is a cool supplement since the vast majority of people have insufficient levels but, specific to your DNP run, it's not really doing anything.

My personal approach has always been low dose, longer runs until goal reached. I've done 250-375mg runs for a few weeks and the results have always been good while the sides minimized. Obviously I recommend having both your diet & training dialed in to get the most out of this.

Have you done any research looking at PN?

 

[Rook2135]

Looks good to me . The tren and test is basically useless on DNP in my opinion because DNP halts protein synthesis yet not catabolic. Test is ok if your havent done your pct. You absolutely need electrolytes as well, so drink plenty of no cal powerade, or get electrolyte pills. I dont see a problem with you extending this cycle since your dose Is relativley small but you must determine how your body feels first, guys with a lot of muscle tend to get hotter with lower doses than guys with no muscle. Just remember that a 250 mg dose will turn into 600 in about a week. Good luck stay safe

 

[Dr JIM]

Of course DNP IS catabolic (as its known not to be anabolic or anticatabolic) unless you believe DNPs mechanism of action involves lipolysis exclusively, and that's NOT been proven to be the case.

The entropy which occurs bc of DNP involves all energy sources.

However whether or not lipolysis is the primary source of entropy is a matter of debate since most of the data was derived from "studies" in the 1930s to 1950s.

To that end its difficult to say if any of the data from that era is evidence based, especially when compared to contemporary standards.

 

[Rook2135]

Of course DNP IS catabolic unless you believe its mechanism
of action exclusively involves lipolysis and that's been proven NOT to be the case.

The entropy which occurs bc of DNP involves all energy sources.

However whether or not lipolysis is the primary source is also a matter of debate since most of the data is/was derived from "studies" in the 1930s to 1950s.

To that end its difficult to say if any of the data derived from that era is evidence based, especially when compared to contemporary standards.

As far as im concerned DNP uses ketone in the abscence of glycogen for energy and not muscle protein. Im sure at a high enough dose or a very low cal intake that DNP would have you loose some muscle but not much. Besides the studies that we have to go on ive personally seen guys who went on DNP actually go throught a body composition tool like the bodypod and found that almost alll the weight lost came from fat and not muscle. As for the safety I would say that in those 1930s studies people were on DNP for several months at a time with thousands of people taking it and relatively few deaths. Now for the record I dont want to downplay the dangers because this is one of few drugs in the bodybuilding arsenal whose side effects is death but ive completed several DNP cycle with no complications, and at the dose OP is atempting I dont see any reason for concern.

 

[Roger rabbit]

The thing that should scare the shit out of people is it's not like if test Is a little over dosed it's a ok thing. We are talking about shady ugl or china selling this shit. Them being off could cause you your life as you miscalculate your dosage due to substance being off from the get go.

I can't remember who posted a study or paper on this subject but if I remember correctly the body can react to this substance different each time you use it. So one cycle might be fine and the next cycle after you die. In my opinion it just seems like the risk to reward is a little high to me.

But to each their own and this is just my opinion.

 

[Rook2135]

Acording to bill roberts, Just in the 1930s over 100,000 used DNP. Today that nomber may be exponentially more. The thing to worry about is cataracts which 2.5 percent of those 100000 got, and the potential for allergic reaction. Theres deff risks involved , but in my opinion are very rare if you do things right which OP seems to be.

 

[MrRippedZilla]

Dnp is anti-catabolic. This has been firmly established in the data (with NO data to contradict the findings by the way, apart from Jim's opinion that he never supports with evidence) and also fairly obvious to those who understand the MOA of a mito uncoupler.
It's also supported by anecdotal data since I've had clients do dexa scans pre/post cycle so yea....anyone who claims "dnp is catabolic" in the body recomp sense (don't play semantics with me) is pretty much talking out of their assesAFAIC.

It does inhibit protein synthesis as Rook pointed out but that was when Dnp was used in isolation. Whether this inhibitory effect is strong enough to cancel out the opposite effect of AAS is very much up for debate (the same debate has been had surrounding insulin & dnp).
IME all of these can be used, in the right context, to achieve a recomp.

IMO, the cataract risk is one I suspect was down to dietary inadequacies of the time since we literally never see any reports of it now and DNP use is fairly rampant.

Peripheral neuropathy is, again IMO, the main major side effect to be concerned with now. Interestingly, this was hardly ever reported back in the 30s and yet now the risk certainly seems to have increased - the exact opposite compared to cataracts.
My hunch - contaminated powder coming from China. Of course, that's just a hunch.

 

[hurricane]

WHY ARE YOU EVEN THINKING ABOUT RUNNING DNP?

WHAT is your objective, be specific ?

He wants to cook himself alive!!

 

[hurricane]

This is my first DNP cycle. Have 50 mg DNP caps on hand.
Currently on Tren Ace 75mg EOD and Test 150mg per week.

Age:46
Height: 6'4
Weight: 255 lbs
Unknown bodyfat %--but below 15% but I'm in shape with medium visual abs.
Extremely vascular.

I know everybody says to start at 200mg per day to assess tolerance, but I'm starting at 100mg.

Day 1-100mg
Day 2-100mg
Day 3-100mg

IF its I haven't had an allergic reaction, day 4 forward looks as follows:

Day 4-200mg
Day 5-200mg
Day 6-200mg

IF all is bearable, day 7 forward will look as follows:

Day 7-300mg
Day 8-300mg
Day 9-300mg
Day 10-300mg

Perhaps-300 or even 400 mg for an additional 3-5 days.

I'll be applying standard precautions with supplements and high water intake.

Suggestions? Comments? Concerns?

Comments, Suggestions, Concerns?? Yes I'm concerned about your lack of common sense. DNP is for lazy fucks who don't want to diet and do cardio. Your 46 and want to use it. Are you going on stage anytime soon. DNP use is reckless at best. Hope you don't die bro. And like Dr Jim said, the fat will come back. I'm sorry but any of you using DNP should first see a therapist. Let's take a compound they make dynamite and pesticides with. Good choice dude.

 

[hurricane]

Dnp is anti-catabolic. This has been firmly established in the data (with NO data to contradict the findings by the way, apart from Jim's opinion that he never supports with evidence) and also fairly obvious to those who understand the MOA of a mito uncoupler.
It's also supported by anecdotal data since I've had clients do dexa scans pre/post cycle so yea....anyone who claims "dnp is catabolic" in the body recomp sense (don't play semantics with me) is pretty much talking out of their assesAFAIC.

It does inhibit protein synthesis as Rook pointed out but that was when Dnp was used in isolation. Whether this inhibitory effect is strong enough to cancel out the opposite effect of AAS is very much up for debate (the same debate has been had surrounding insulin & dnp).
IME all of these can be used, in the right context, to achieve a recomp.

IMO, the cataract risk is one I suspect was down to dietary inadequacies of the time since we literally never see any reports of it now and DNP use is fairly rampant.

Peripheral neuropathy is, again IMO, the main major side effect to be concerned with now. Interestingly, this was hardly ever reported back in the 30s and yet now the risk certainly seems to have increased - the exact opposite compared to cataracts.
My hunch - contaminated powder coming from China. Of course, that's just a hunch.

Did you ever take a look at the studies from the 30's that Dr Jim was talking about? Did you see how many deaths were contributed to DNP. And you still actually advocate its use for clients? That's a whole new level of stupidity. So your clients obviously lack knowledge of basic nutrition and exercise, that you should of given them, then you advise DNP for your fuk ups. I want to party with you man. Anyone recommending DNP use should be kicked in the head, and then kicked again.

 

[MrRippedZilla]

Did you ever take a look at the studies from the 30's that Dr Jim was talking about? Did you see how many deaths were contributed to DNP. And you still actually advocate its use for clients? That's a whole new level of stupidity. So your clients obviously lack knowledge of basic nutrition and exercise, that you should of given them, then you advise DNP for your fuk ups. I want to party with you man. Anyone recommending DNP use should be kicked in the head, and then kicked again.

Where exactly did I say I "advocate its use for clients"? Hint: I never did.
These individuals usually seek my opinion on this particular compound because the internet is full of bullshit, contributed by people like you, giving them a false picture of the situation. I highlight both the pros & cons of it and them leave it up to them to decide the risk/benefit ratio - its called educating rather than scare mongering.

You'll find that I'm FAR more familiar with the literature than Dr Jim or anyone else when it comes to this topic - something to be aware of before calling me out with a bunch of rambling nonsense
Had you bothered to read the same literature, you'd be fully aware that the total deaths from DNP were exactly 8 out of 100,000s users...something I'm sure you weren't even aware of: 2,4-Dinitrophenol (DNP): A Weight Loss Agent with Significant Acute Toxicity and Risk of Death

Most people who know me (my posts on Ology & UG aren't exactly hard to find) would know that your little ad hominem attacks are beyond hilarious and certainly not worth addressing.
If you have something you wish to challenge with evidence, or wish for me to support my views with evidence, then ask. Otherwise, your opinion is worthless to me.

 

[hurricane]

Where exactly did I say I "advocate its use for clients"? Hint: I never did.
These individuals usually seek my opinion on this particular compound because the internet is full of bullshit, contributed by people like you, giving them a false picture of the situation. I highlight both the pros & cons of it and them leave it up to them to decide the risk/benefit ratio - its called educating rather than scare mongering.

You'll find that I'm FAR more familiar with the literature than Dr Jim or anyone else when it comes to this topic - something to be aware of before calling me out with a bunch of rambling nonsense
Had you bothered to read the same literature, you'd be fully aware that the total deaths from DNP were exactly 8 out of 100,000s users...something I'm sure you weren't even aware of: 2,4-Dinitrophenol (DNP): A Weight Loss Agent with Significant Acute Toxicity and Risk of Death

Most people who know me (my posts on Ology & UG aren't exactly hard to find) would know that your little ad hominem attacks are beyond hilarious and certainly not worth addressing.
If you have something you wish to challenge with evidence, or wish for me to support my views with evidence, then ask. Otherwise, your opinion is worthless to me.

Just like your horseshit opinion means nothing to me. You make my point for me about how irresponsible you are when you say you point out the con's and pros of its use. THERE ARE NO PROS! There's stupidity. And also no need to talk yourself up because you know nothing about my background either.

 

[MrRippedZilla]

Just like your horseshit opinion means nothing to me. You make my point for me about how irresponsible you are when you say you point out the con's and pros of its use. THERE ARE NO PROS! There's stupidity. And also no need to talk yourself up because you know nothing about my background either.

You don't consider being the best pharmaceutical drug ever made from a thermogenic perspective to be a pro? Huh...I guess all those researchers looking into making a modified, safer, version of it must all be complete morons. How silly of them & those funding the research...

I don't need to know your background because your posts say MORE than enough. I think it's best if I add you onto my ignore list and we leave it at that since you have nothing of substance to contribute - no need to dilute the OPs thread.

 

[hurricane]

You don't consider being the best pharmaceutical drug ever made from a thermogenic perspective to be a pro? Huh...I guess all those researchers looking into making a modified, safer, version of it must all be complete morons. How silly of them & those funding the research...

I don't need to know your background because your posts say MORE than enough. I think it's best if I add you onto my ignore list and we leave it at that since you have nothing of substance to contribute - no need to dilute the OPs thread.

You are so fukin moronic. Is that why their looking for a modified, safer, newer version? Again you made my fukin point jack off. DNP out their is pure toxic shit and that's a fact.