how to make transdermal testosterone?

I really want to try a transdermal Tren base or Tren ace experiment, with a lot of DHEA for proper e2 levels but no Test.

Anyone has experience with Tren and no Test at all ?

I'm hoping to be driven, with full muscles, without the sluggishness of the testosterone.
Ive done tren with no test and it SUCKED. Tanked my libido hard and fucked up my erection quality for months afterwards. I was young and dumb, what can I say?

I've never done tren with dhea though. I have a feeling its not enough to carry out all the functions if actual testosterone because I feel like when my dhea is high my estrogen crashes. You could maybe do dhea with hcg shots to simulate what test does?

I will say that im a big believer in lower dosed test with tren though. Higher test aggravated gyno and breathing problems for me. Now I just run 100-150 test per week with my tren.
 
I really want to try a transdermal Tren base or Tren ace experiment, with a lot of DHEA for proper e2 levels but no Test.

Anyone has experience with Tren and no Test at all ?

I'm hoping to be driven, with full muscles, without the sluggishness of the testosterone.
Why not stay on DHEA or test? Tren can cause you an enlarged heart muscle, raisiny balls, and other problems.

I may be wrong though, but your mania for blaming esters sounds bogus.
 
Are you suffering from schizophrenia ?
What steroids are you on right now? Testosterone gives me this hateful side, the aggressive urge to attack others on the internet to prove how dumb they are or whatever.

Otherwise I said that esters were potentially toxic to the liver, which is universally recognized. You stated on the RPF that esters (and excipients for injections) were probably the cause of most of the side effects of trenbolone.
They are two very different things
 
Im trying different dosages and combinations with DHT etc. But I still dont feel it much. Plus I have developed some back acne which I did not had before when I used the DHEA so I dont know whats going on. Maybe my dosages were too high (around 500mg a day).
Test also gives me acne, at this level it's almost a cyst.
The second option is that I will combine it with some progesterone or pregnelone and use it together.
why progesterone ?
 
here is a recipe below but dont go over 10mg/ml and i would say 10mg/ml is always good but if you wish to make 20mg/ml make a small 50 ml batch first . this article is a copy paste from basskiller




It is developed mainly for base steroid hormones (Testosterone Base, Boldenone Base, Nandrolone Base, etc.), but will work for many compounds to provide reasonably effective systemic delivery. The absorption rate is estimated to be around 40% with the 10% DMSO version listed below. The final product is a liquid, and while it's possible to add carbomers and thickeners to form a lotion or gel, it is considerably more involved and probably not worth the effort. Additionally, the liquid form is easier to compound - you can make it ahead of time, and just add your hormone powder and shake. Or you can dissolve the hormone earlier in the process, as described below.


Ingredients:

40% Isopropyl Alcohol (91% or better)
15% Isopropyl Myristate
15% Isopropyl Palmitate
10% Oleic Acid
10% Propylene Glycol
10% DMSO (99% Technical Grade or better recommended)


Don't feel like doing math? Whitey's got you covered.
For a 240ml (8 oz) batch:
40% Isopropyl Alcohol = 96ml
15% Isopropyl Myristate = 36ml
15% Isopropyl Palmitate = 36ml
10% Oleic Acid = 24ml
10% Propylene Glycol = 24ml
10% DMSO = 24ml


How Does It Work?:
40% Isopropyl Alcohol - Solvent for the compound, with moderate penetration capability
15% Isopropyl Myristate - Lubricates and softens the skin to enhance penetration
15% Isopropyl Palmitate - Same as IM, but oilier
10% Oleic Acid - Penetration enhancer works by disrupting the lipid layer of the skin
10% Propylene Glycol - Seals moisture in to aid in penetration
10% DMSO - The most powerful penetration enhancer available; drawbacks - garlic and sulfur smell/taste (less pronounced in higher purity DMSO), irritates and dries out the skin


Preparation (2 easy steps):

1. Dissolve your compound in the isopropyl alcohol. You can experiment (and it will vary from compound to compound), but don't expect to get more than 50mg of compound dissolved per ml.*
--DMSO is a good solvent also, so you may want to add it in first with the isopropanol to help dissolve the compound.

2. Add the other ingredients, mix, and you're done.
--Alternative (easy) method: just pour all ingredients into a beaker, mix, pour into bottle with your compound powder and shake intensely. If necessary, soak in hot water bath, and shake again.


Dosing and Administration:
The easiest way to apply is to use a spray bottle to apply, and then just rub it in vigorously. You can measure the output of your sprayer yourself to find out how many pumps/sprays equal a ml, and calculate your dosing from there. Thin patches of skin, like the tops of your feet work best. Keeping skin moisturized and rotating application sites can boost absorption by ~15%. Apply to clean, exfoliated skin, and don't forget to remove hair in the area you apply, or you will be wasting a tremendous amount of your carrier and compound.


Modifications:
--DMSO changes - I would go with 10% DMSO if you can handle it, maybe 5% less, if you have sensitive skin. 10% is better for absorption, 20% is even better, of course - but anything at 15% or higher will probably destroy your skin. You may be able to mitigate this by using aloe vera gel, but make it 100% pure, with no additives, because some of what you apply will get through the skin. Let your skin and yuck factor be your guide. To keep things simple, if you add/cut DMSO, you can just add back to/take from the isopropyl alcohol.

--If you don't want to buy isopropyl palmitate, you can just substitute isopropyl myristate. But it's in there for a reason, so leave it in if you can.
Has anyone added aloe vera gel to this recipe and have any success? If you did, what was the ratio?
 
Test also gives me acne, at this level it's almost a cyst.

why progesterone ?
I want to try to create this product from RPF. Progesterone/pregnelone should create synergic duo when combined with DHEA.

 
What steroids are you on right now? Testosterone gives me this hateful side, the aggressive urge to attack others on the internet to prove how dumb they are or whatever.

I'm on DHEA only, which gives me the required mental clarity to perceive your contradictions with no aggressiveness at all.
Schizophrenia is not an insult, it's an actual condition where people have several inner personalities, akin to the behavior you exhibited by accusing me of what you are doing.

Otherwise I said that esters were potentially toxic to the liver, which is universally recognized. You stated on the RPF that esters (and excipients for injections) were probably the cause of most of the side effects of trenbolone.
They are two very different things

So, just like me, you claim esters are detrimental to health, and are accusing me of "mania" for doing the same, which according to your book is a sign of aggressivity.
Again, doing what you blame others for doing.
 
I'm on DHEA only, which gives me the required mental clarity to perceive your contradictions with no aggressiveness at all.
Schizophrenia is not an insult, it's an actual condition where people have several inner personalities, akin to the behavior you exhibited by accusing me of what you are doing.



So, just like me, you claim esters are detrimental to health, and are accusing me of "mania" for doing the same, which according to your book is a sign of aggressivity.
Again, doing what you blame others for doing.
I didn't say "esters are detrimental to health", I said esters add probable additional liver toxicity.

I then "reproached" you for suggesting here or on the RPF that the majority of problems with trenbolone are caused by the esters or products used to dissolve it for injections, including suppression and other physical and mental problems that tren can cause. engender.

I believe that the various problems caused by tren are intrinsic to its use and that the esters are just an additional problem (mainly for the liver)
I don't see how I can be clearer.
 
prob was already talked about but what they use in pharmacy is PLO gel, 2-3 ingredients pretty straight forward imagine will work better than DSMO and less side effects.
 
I don't see how I can be clearer.

Nobody asked you to be.
You are just required to not accuse others of what you are doing, which is blaming esters for health issues, and then hiding behing "oh I'm not sure, it's only probable", in order to be on the other side of the argument.
 
I mean sorta makes sense, least side effects come from shorter half life and transdermal/nasal of free test are safest, but of course less anabolic. and esters require more work on the liver to break down if I am not mistaken so makes sense. certainly longer esters are going to cause more damage but trade off is more gains.
 
Nobody asked you to be.
You are just required to not accuse others of what you are doing, which is blaming esters for health issues, and then hiding behing "oh I'm not sure, it's only probable", in order to be on the other side of the argument.
eh
You haven't figured it out yet, whatever.
 
@Goingstronger
whats the dose range for dht in dmso. i thought maybe 50-150mg. im not sure though because theres no logs or something on dht in only dmso.
Depends on if you want to shoot your numbers into the stratosphere or not. Personally I find 25mgs of DHT to be sufficient if it's in DMSO. I think people tend to forget DMSO increases dermal absorption to almost 100%, certainly 90%. It comes with severe drawbacks though. The skin irritation alone is almost not worth it for me.

What are you trying to achieve with DHT? I find the smaller dosages help best, likely due to binding SHBG and freeing up some test. But the larger dosages (without T) will suppress and likely be too GABAergic. Might actually drop libido. Scrotal T would be the best way to raise DHT I think, while keeping a more favorable ratio of T/DHT/E2.
 
Depends on if you want to shoot your numbers into the stratosphere or not. Personally I find 25mgs of DHT to be sufficient if it's in DMSO. I think people tend to forget DMSO increases dermal absorption to almost 100%, certainly 90%. It comes with severe drawbacks though. The skin irritation alone is almost not worth it for me.

What are you trying to achieve with DHT? I find the smaller dosages help best, likely due to binding SHBG and freeing up some test. But the larger dosages (without T) will suppress and likely be too GABAergic. Might actually drop libido. Scrotal T would be the best way to raise DHT I think, while keeping a more favorable ratio of T/DHT/E2.
What do you call gabaergic?
I blamed glutamate for making me anti-social partly because of my experience with s-ketamine, except dopamine is actually also released when taken, and the anti-social effect was also possibly due to the decrease in dopaminergic signaling during descent.
I would like to get pure gabaergic benzodiazepines just to be sure.
 
A few days on 400mg of topical DHEA here, I feel great, as expected the mind is clearer and more efficient than on testosterone.
This can be a problem with neurosis, testosterone numbs the mind while DHEA makes it sharper, can find you more cynical or more brooding if you have problems or insecurities.
Easier to sleep (if you don't ruminate).
Less water retention, but paradoxically stronger than under testosterone.
I feel less androgenic than under testosterone, the beard grows much slower and is less thick, I don't "itch" anymore.
 
What do you call gabaergic?
Something is "gabaergic" when it uses or affects the gaba transmitters. I assume you mean the symptoms of too much gabaergic activity? Those can be vast and subjective to individual differences, but usually they include:
slow cognitive function
memory impairment
low dopamine
low libido
not alert
depression
caffeine dependency, or other stimulants
etc.

You could try benzos if you want, or you could try a large dose of DHT (or androsterone) and see how you feel. Androsterone would be better actually, as it's gabaergic and lacks the possible adrenergic properties of DHT. A large dose of androsterone crashes my libido and makes me lethargic every time. It has to be real androsterone though, not epiandro (which is pro-adrenaline).
 
A few days on 400mg of topical DHEA here, I feel great, as expected the mind is clearer and more efficient than on testosterone.
This can be a problem with neurosis, testosterone numbs the mind while DHEA makes it sharper, can find you more cynical or more brooding if you have problems or insecurities.
Easier to sleep (if you don't ruminate).
Less water retention, but paradoxically stronger than under testosterone.
I feel less androgenic than under testosterone, the beard grows much slower and is less thick, I don't "itch" anymore.
Is that dissolved in ethanol or DMSO? 400mgs in DMSO is a huge dose, and will definitely suppress endogenous T production. It's odd that DHEA will give you less water retention than testosterone. DHEA aromatizes much more easily than T.
 
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