I really like Modafinil - even at low doses

[mikeh1998]

I have pretty bad ADHD, take 50 mg Vyvanse per day been on it for about a year. Vyvanse works great so far, mildly stimulating and I find that I just feel more relaxed and confident in my ability to complete tasks.

I never really feel "alert" and "wakeful" during the day (tbh even when I was 19 I can remember feeling this way, 26 now) so ordered some ModAlert 200mg's hoping it would help...

Anyone switched from Vyvanse to Modafinil or found the combo to be synergistic? Should I keep up the Vyvanse or adjust it in any way or drop it completely?

Lots of discussion in this thread about Adderall but not Vyvanse

p.s. I don't really drink caffeine, just makes me anxious and I always crash really hard. I sleep around 6-7 hours per day on average, I don't have sleep apnea.

 

[ineffectual]

I ended up with some armo and moda. I have been taking them for 3 weeks and really haven't noticed anything. I will continue though. Have not taken any long drives though. I have issues with falling asleep while driving so I will have to test that out after this busy season.

 

[FuriousGrill]

Took Modafinil many years ago and nearly had a seizure. Everything was SO stimulating I had to close my eyes to get my mental state back normal; it felt like my brain (and heart) was so over stimulated it was going to explode.

 

[Ghoul]

I ended up with some armo and moda. I have been taking them for 3 weeks and really haven't noticed anything. I will continue though. Have not taken any long drives though. I have issues with falling asleep while driving so I will have to test that out after this busy season.

Took Modafinil many years ago and nearly had a seizure. Everything was SO stimulating I had to close my eyes to get my mental state back normal; it felt like my brain (and heart) was so over stimulated it was going to explode.

The variance in the experience is impressive, but unsurprising.

To those who go into it expecting a "stimulant" experience, it may seem like nothing, since the expected effects are largely absent.

Those who are "stimulant naive", and don't know what to expect, are often overwhelmed.

 

[Ghoul]

I ended up with some armo and moda. I have been taking them for 3 weeks and really haven't noticed anything. I will continue though. Have not taken any long drives though. I have issues with falling asleep while driving so I will have to test that out after this busy season.

What's your dosage?

 

[FuriousGrill]

The variance in the experience is impressive, but unsurprising.

To those who go into it expecting a "stimulant" experience, it may seem like nothing, since the expected effects are largely absent.

Those who are "stimulant naive", and don't know what to expect, are often overwhelmed.

Perhaps this is the case; I do not partake in drugs (not even weed) or alcohol, and I almost never drink coffee (or any stimulats/preworkouts).

 

[Trenbolonetax]

I have pretty bad ADHD, take 50 mg Vyvanse per day been on it for about a year. Vyvanse works great so far, mildly stimulating and I find that I just feel more relaxed and confident in my ability to complete tasks.

I never really feel "alert" and "wakeful" during the day (tbh even when I was 19 I can remember feeling this way, 26 now) so ordered some ModAlert 200mg's hoping it would help...

Anyone switched from Vyvanse to Modafinil or found the combo to be synergistic? Should I keep up the Vyvanse or adjust it in any way or drop it completely?

Lots of discussion in this thread about Adderall but not Vyvanse

p.s. I don't really drink caffeine, just makes me anxious and I always crash really hard. I sleep around 6-7 hours per day on average, I don't have sleep apnea.

If 50mg of vyvanse doesn't make you feel alert and awake, unfortunately, I don't think modafinil or armodafinil is going to make you feel alert or awake... d-amphetamine, which is what vyvanse aka lisdexamfetamine converts to after the lysine is cleaved in your intestine, is damn stimulating in comparison.

The times that I have combined the two, I didn't like it.

Switching from vyvanse to moda is like switching from liquor to beer lol

 

[Ghoul]

If 50mg of vyvanse doesn't make you feel alert and awake, unfortunately, I don't think modafinil or armodafinil is going to make you feel alert or awake... d-amphetamine, which is what vyvanse aka lisdexamfetamine converts to after the lysine is cleaved in your intestine, is damn stimulating in comparison.

The times that I have combined the two, I didn't like it.

Switching from vyvanse to moda is like switching from liquor to beer lol

I agree the stimulation from amphetamines is far stronger, physically.

However, and this surprised me, they are often prescribed together when the patient has sleep issues from apnea or some other cause,

The "wakefulness" provided by Modafinil acts on parts of the brain that amphetamines don't stimulate. IE, you can be suffering from sleep depravation despite being awake on amphetamines, and Moda "wakes up" the brain functions that are reduced as a result of insufficient sleep or narcolepsy.

Typically the amphetamine, adderall or whatever, is reduced when the two drugs are taken at the same time.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

I agree the stimulation from amphetamines is far stronger, physically.

However, and this surprised me, they are often prescribed together when the patient has sleep issues from apnea or some other cause,

The "wakefulness" provided by Modafinil acts on parts of the brain that amphetamines don't stimulate. IE, you can be suffering from sleep depravation despite being awake on amphetamines, and Moda "wakes up" the brain functions that are reduced as a result of insufficient sleep or narcolepsy.

Typically the amphetamine, adderall or whatever, is reduced when the two drugs are taken at the same time.

Huh. Today I learned. That's interesting, and does make sense based on their differing mechanism of action.

As always, thanks for your insight. I don't know that I've mentioned it but you're a wealth of knowledge and I appreciate it. I learn quite a bit from your posts, and they also inspire me to dive deeper into certain things. E.g., GLP1 direct impact on neurodegeneration, NOT mediated via weightloss and metabolic health improvement.

 

[ineffectual]

What's your dosage?

Right now doing 50mg of armo when I get up and 200mg moda between 10 and noon. I feel like I am able to keep my mouth shut more often sometimes. Like just not blurting shit as it comes to my head. It may be the Modafinil though.

It's the only new thing I have added this month. Still put in another order just incase I turn out to love it.

 

[Ghoul]

Right now doing 50mg of armo when I get up and 200mg moda between 10 and noon. I feel like I am able to keep my mouth shut more often sometimes. Like just not blurting shit as it comes to my head. It may be the Modafinil though.

It's the only new thing I have added this month. Still put in another order just incase I turn out to love it.

If I might suggest, and this comes from significant experimentation, given you're not having a hyper response I'd say this is a safe approach.

Try 200mg Moda and 100mg Armoda, taken at once, as soon as you wake.

 

[Danielbolee]

If I might suggest, and this comes from significant experimentation, given you're not having a hyper response I'd say this is a safe approach.

Try 200mg Moda and 100mg Armoda, taken at once, as soon as you wake.

I know you’ve previously recommended taking at least 30 days off of amphetamines before starting afinils when expecting to make the switch from one to another. The logic tracks for me but I was just wondering if it really matters to a significant degree in the long run like will you be screwing yourself over if you just make the switch immediately in a state where you haven’t brought dopamine levels to baseline from consistent amphetamine use? Or will it ultimately be the same once you’re far enough removed from when you stopped taking amphetamines. Apologies if this doesn’t make sense I’m not the best at articulating my questions hahaha. Thanks as always for providing such quality knowledge for free <3

 

[Ghoul]

I know you’ve previously recommended taking at least 30 days off of amphetamines before starting afinils when expecting to make the switch from one to another. The logic tracks for me but I was just wondering if it really matters to a significant degree in the long run like will you be screwing yourself over if you just make the switch immediately in a state where you haven’t brought dopamine levels to baseline from consistent amphetamine use? Or will it ultimately be the same once you’re far enough removed from when you stopped taking amphetamines. Apologies if this doesn’t make sense I’m not the best at articulating my questions hahaha. Thanks as always for providing such quality knowledge for free <3

You make perfect sense.

My advice is largely from seeing the number of switchers who, experiencing the tremendous contrast in perceived "strength" of effect between an amphetamine and Modafinil, give up, because what they're looking for isn't there, and revert to amphetamines.

The problem of course is they're looking for the wrong things. It's a different class of effect. It aligns so well with normal function it can be difficult to detect by people not still under the effect of conventional stimulants, never mind those who are.

It's like trying to hear an important message being whispered in an arena during a heavy metal concert.

Ironically, those who are "naive" to strong stimulants, so come with an open mind, are often overwhelmed by Moda's effects.

Considering you sound committed, have a sufficient supply, and are willing to be patient, I don't see any issues with switching right away.

I recently learned that both ADHD stims and Moda are prescribed for simultaneous use when there's a sleep deficit from apnea or narcolepsy in patients with ADHD, as Moda "wakes up" parts of the brain amphetamines don't, thereby compensating for the lack of sleep. When this is done, the ADHD dose is typically reduced somewhat. An illustration of just how different the mechanisms of action of these drugs are. As a rule, combinations of drugs in the same class are virtually never prescribed.

 

[xrayphoton13]

Any issues with having caffeine when taking modafinil? I like my coffee in the morning before my workout. But maybe the whole point of using modafinil is so you can avoid caffeine and the crash it brings later?

 

[HeatherSwanson]

Hello Meso
I really enjoy Modafinil. Clean energy and wakefulness. No sides. A bit hard to get in my part of the world. So I am a bit sparesome with it. Just tried 25mg. Worked well. 50mg did too.
Is the normal 100-300mg dose overkill, if you are just looking for a boost, and don’t have any medical conditions?
What are your experiences?

Makes me like a laser instead of a spotlight.
I take before meeting with C suite shits or dealing with lawyers or professionals that are critical of pauses or an err.

To say there is no down side is slight over exaggeration, it's modifying brain chemistry and therefore does have a down side. Aside from eventual dependence, it makes me feel giddy and depressed. After three to four days of 50mg, operating like a robot with unwavering focus then dropping to normal speed, I feel retarded and less of a man.

Its also been known to fuck with other meds that people have like SSRI's.

To much of a good thing isn't good.

 

[Ghoul]

Any issues with having caffeine when taking modafinil? I like my coffee in the morning before my workout. But maybe the whole point of using modafinil is so you can avoid caffeine and the crash it brings later?

No issue using both at the same time. Caffeine is a "physical" stimulant, closer to a weak amphetamine than to the effect of Modafinil.

I still have coffee daily, just less.

 

[nightprowler7]

No issue using both at the same time. Caffeine is a "physical" stimulant, closer to a weak amphetamine than to the effect of Modafinil.

I still have coffee daily, just less.

I love caffeine for pwo. Moda I tried only twice and both times I felt mentally alert, but physically tired and it didn’t help my performance at work or the gym. It’s a very subtle feeling, Perhaps it’s because I never took more than 150mg. 250mg caffeine and I’ve got a rocket up my ass

 

[Danielbolee]

You make perfect sense.

My advice is largely from seeing the number of switchers who, experiencing the tremendous contrast in perceived "strength" of effect between an amphetamine and Modafinil, give up, because what they're looking for isn't there, and revert to amphetamines.

The problem of course is they're looking for the wrong things. It's a different class of effect. It aligns so well with normal function it can be difficult to detect by people not still under the effect of conventional stimulants, never mind those who are.

It's like trying to hear an important message being whispered in an arena during a heavy metal concert.

Ironically, those who are "naive" to strong stimulants, so come with an open mind, are often overwhelmed by Moda's effects.

Considering you sound committed, have a sufficient supply, and are willing to be patient, I don't see any issues with switching right away.

I recently learned that both ADHD stims and Moda are prescribed for simultaneous use when there's a sleep deficit from apnea or narcolepsy in patients with ADHD, as Moda "wakes up" parts of the brain amphetamines don't, thereby compensating for the lack of sleep. When this is done, the ADHD dose is typically reduced somewhat. An illustration of just how different the mechanisms of action of these drugs are. As a rule, combinations of drugs in the same class are virtually never prescribed.

Amazing thank you. I have 200 strips of moda on the way from pct24. I’m a little bit disappointed that I didn’t split that order up between some armoda after the fact though after reading up on your protocol. Do you think it’s worth putting in another order for some to have both on hand?

 

[JustMe18]

Amazing thank you. I have 200 strips of moda on the way from pct24. I’m a little bit disappointed that I didn’t split that order up between some armoda after the fact though after reading up on your protocol. Do you think it’s worth putting in another order for some to have both on hand?

I started with moda and it was amazing until it wasn’t. I switched to armo and have been pleased with just that. Not sure why I no longer responded to moda, but with the other I haven’t had any issue with response.

 

[Ghoul]

Amazing thank you. I have 200 strips of moda on the way from pct24. I’m a little bit disappointed that I didn’t split that order up between some armoda after the fact though after reading up on your protocol. Do you think it’s worth putting in another order for some to have both on hand?

Moda takes effect more quickly, while armoda lasts longer.

Moda is 50/50 S isomer and R isomer of modafinil. Armoda is just the R.

The S isomer has slightly different effects, lighting up parts of the brain more
closely associated with emotional intelligence.

For me, getting some S for that effect and the initial faster onset, with the all day "durability" of R, makes it the ideal combo for me. Moda is always my "base", while armoda in 50mg increments allows me to choose duration, based on when I wake up.

So 5Am Moda + 150 armoda. 7Am Moda + 100, 9AM Moda + 50.

These may not be your appropriate doses, I'm just illustrating how I modulate the duration of effect.

Straight modafinil will give you overall familiarity, but I do recommend armoda, while it's still (extraordinarily) cheap and available, since you may not need it at first, but eventually you likely will. There is some "tolerance" that develops over the first month or so, and when you need to adjust the strength upwards, I find it better to add armoda than more moda. Long term no further tolerance develops. Typically doctors adjust upwards once, and then the dose is stable for years after that.

When they crack down on india pharms, they get a real hardon for modafinil and armodafinil. and it can be damn near impossible to get through, so make hay while the sun shines.