I would like to know what those of you who support trump will do when he loses the election?

Press briefing from Trump's legal team. I found it both impressive and comprehensive. They definitely didn't pull their punches.

Briefing starts around -1:36:52

I watched it and it didn't seem like they had hard evidence, it was more suspicion.

Look fraud happens, laws get broken everyday. We are Class C Felons on Meso.

How about a little respect for criminals that pulled this off if they did do it, which I'm sure they did. You gotta hand it to them, they scammed the system and I personally respect their initiative.
 
I watched it and it didn't seem like they had hard evidence, it was more suspicion.

Look fraud happens, laws get broken everyday. We are Class C Felons on Meso.

How about a little respect for criminals that pulled this off if they did do it, which I'm sure they did. You gotta hand it to them, they scammed the system and I personally respect their initiative.

Eye witnesses and sworn affidavits sound like hard evidence to me.

As far as respect for the criminals you have to be kidding. After years of refining their software the cheat algorithm was so simple the opposing side was able to extract it from the data. That's unbelievable carelessness. A simple pseudo random number generator could have skewed the ratios over time enough to completely obscure the evidence. A 10 year old could do it. Morons.
 
Today was a pretty good example of needing less rudy on camera. I liked how Sidney and the young lady challenged the media and the American people.
I highly doubt Sidney would've went all in like she did if she didn't believe she had the goods.
 
I guess the next election will use voting machines made by google. Not only will they change your vote, but also collect your name as a subversive and sell it to the FBI.
 
I guess the next election will use voting machines made by google. Not only will they change your vote, but also collect your name as a subversive and sell it to the FBI.
I was listening to an interview with law professor Alan Dershowitz and im under the impression by his words all the legal team has to do is ask for a trial. Of course meaning have compelling evidence to initiate it. And all the constitutional election proceedings stop till a verdict is satisfied.

Because as i understand it if it bleeds over to early january speaker of the house becomes POTUS...
 
I was listening to an interview with law professor Alan Dershowitz and im under the impression by his words all the legal team has to do is ask for a trial. Of course meaning have compelling evidence to initiate it. And all the constitutional election proceedings stop till a verdict is satisfied.

Because as i understand it if it bleeds over to early january speaker of the house becomes POTUS...
If that happens, I believe the Senate picks the VP, probably Trump. What a pair!
 
Eye witnesses and sworn affidavits sound like hard evidence to me.

As far as respect for the criminals you have to be kidding. After years of refining their software the cheat algorithm was so simple the opposing side was able to extract it from the data. That's unbelievable carelessness. A simple pseudo random number generator could have skewed the ratios over time enough to completely obscure the evidence. A 10 year old could do it. Morons.
I don't give a shit if it was genius or a ten year old kid. We had to get rid of Trump, I know you guys loved him, but it was time for him to go.

This isn't the America I grew up in, Presidents are supposed to smile for the camera, cut a few ribbons, eat some fancy meals and call it a day. They aren't supposed to be cheering on racist statues, cheering on the police as the shoot our citizens, calling Klan members very fine people.

We all know Trump is a pile of shit, he has no personal friends. This guys just fucks everyone over, he spent his entire life fucking everyone over, his ex-wives, his business partners, contractors he skipped out on when it came time to pay the bill.
 
I don't give a shit if it was genius or a ten year old kid. We had to get rid of Trump, I know you guys loved him, but it was time for him to go.

This isn't the America I grew up in, Presidents are supposed to smile for the camera, cut a few ribbons, eat some fancy meals and call it a day. They aren't supposed to be cheering on racist statues, cheering on the police as the shoot our citizens, calling Klan members very fine people.

We all know Trump is a pile of shit, he has no personal friends. This guys just fucks everyone over, he spent his entire life fucking everyone over, his ex-wives, his business partners, contractors he skipped out on when it came time to pay the bill.
Sometimes your posts are on topic and entertaining. Other times, like now, I don't know wtf you are talking about.
 
I don't give a shit if it was genius or a ten year old kid. We had to get rid of Trump, I know you guys loved him, but it was time for him to go.

This isn't the America I grew up in, Presidents are supposed to smile for the camera, cut a few ribbons, eat some fancy meals and call it a day. They aren't supposed to be cheering on racist statues, cheering on the police as the shoot our citizens, calling Klan members very fine people.

We all know Trump is a pile of shit, he has no personal friends. This guys just fucks everyone over, he spent his entire life fucking everyone over, his ex-wives, his business partners, contractors he skipped out on when it came time to pay the bill.
Statues arent racist. They are memorials to patriots who died fighting for the country they believed in.
 
I don't give a shit if it was genius or a ten year old kid. We had to get rid of Trump, I know you guys loved him, but it was time for him to go.

This isn't the America I grew up in, Presidents are supposed to smile for the camera, cut a few ribbons, eat some fancy meals and call it a day. They aren't supposed to be cheering on racist statues, cheering on the police as the shoot our citizens, calling Klan members very fine people.

We all know Trump is a pile of shit, he has no personal friends. This guys just fucks everyone over, he spent his entire life fucking everyone over, his ex-wives, his business partners, contractors he skipped out on when it came time to pay the bill.

You'd rather have a pussy like Joebama walk on egg shells so that he doesn't offend even one retard in this country and get rid of a guy that doesn't pull any punches and practices free speech?

Here's some free speech for you: Fuck you, you phoney. Peddle your bullshit somewhere else.
 
Statues arent racist. They are memorials to patriots who died fighting for the country they believed in.
So you think these Confederate motherfuckers were just fighting for what they believed in.

If you believe in holding people captive, working them for generations, beating them and selling off their children then you gotta a screw loose.

The entire history of the confederates needs to be wiped off the face of the earth, this kind of nonsense was erected a hundred years ago to enforce the the white mans view that he was entitled to do as he pleases.

Owning slaves wasn't just a miscalculation, or a product of its time. There were plenty of people back then that knew it was evil, man knew it was evil for hundreds of years. Quakers, Presbyterians, 'Methodists, knew this stuff was evil and railed against it. Even the founders knew it was evil, but they did it anyway, so I say fuck these assholes.
 
You'd rather have a pussy like Joebama walk on egg shells so that he doesn't offend even one retard in this country and get rid of a guy that doesn't pull any punches and practices free speech?

Here's some free speech for you: Fuck you, you phoney. Peddle your bullshit somewhere else.
Offending people makes no difference to me.

Supporting the police is a no go for me no matter what. You like bootlicking police, you like spreading their cheeks and running your tongue up and down their hairy asscrack, waiting for them to squeeze a turd into your mouth. Go right ahead.
 
So you think these Confederate motherfuckers were just fighting for what they believed in.

If you believe in holding people captive, working them for generations, beating them and selling off their children then you gotta a screw loose.

The entire history of the confederates needs to be wiped off the face of the earth, this kind of nonsense was erected a hundred years ago to enforce the the white mans view that he was entitled to do as he pleases.

Owning slaves wasn't just a miscalculation, or a product of its time. There were plenty of people back then that knew it was evil, man knew it was evil for hundreds of years. Quakers, Presbyterians, 'Methodists, knew this stuff was evil and railed against it. Even the founders knew it was evil, but they did it anyway, so I say fuck these assholes.
If you think the civil war was about slavery, go read a history book.
 
Offending people makes no difference to me.

Supporting the police is a no go for me no matter what. You like bootlicking police, you like spreading their cheeks and running your tongue up and down their hairy asscrack, waiting for them to squeeze a turd into your mouth. Go right ahead.
Too much hate. Too little respect. A civil debate with you obviously can't be had. Bye.
 
Too much hate. Too little respect. A civil debate with you obviously can't be had. Bye.

Just put him on ignore. Add all these loser handles to that list too.

@Soren
@zepp
@martino
@JasonJessie
@Yakov
@Jacques
@Peltz
@RHEIERD
@sckmidck
@kropotkin
@Francois
@abdul muta'alee
@onecock-twoballs
@Gooch
@antifa

i keep the list in case "The Man" ever wants to hunt down a wannabe anarchist traitor and make an example out of him. i'd like to make it easier for them to follow the trail of bread crumbs.
 
So you think these Confederate motherfuckers were just fighting for what they believed in.

If you believe in holding people captive, working them for generations, beating them and selling off their children then you gotta a screw loose.

The entire history of the confederates needs to be wiped off the face of the earth, this kind of nonsense was erected a hundred years ago to enforce the the white mans view that he was entitled to do as he pleases.

Owning slaves wasn't just a miscalculation, or a product of its time. There were plenty of people back then that knew it was evil, man knew it was evil for hundreds of years. Quakers, Presbyterians, 'Methodists, knew this stuff was evil and railed against it. Even the founders knew it was evil, but they did it anyway, so I say fuck these assholes.

I'm going to address your latest string of posts but won't tag them all.

First, you have been sold a pack of lies that subvert your reason by hijacking your empathy. I'll demonstrate it here and I really hope you take the time to consider what I say and look into the examples I provide.

Crimes are not equivalent. One type of crime does not necessitate any shared territory with another type of crime. So you are making a false equivalency when saying that we as criminals here should therefore respect those who commit crime and further admire those who are good at it. A person here is exercising freedom of choice of what they want to do with their body. It infringes on no one elses right to do the same or otherwise. The fact that retin a, a lotion is illegal to posses without a prescription is arbitrary and has no moral ground to stand. It costs 70 dollars in the us and 7 in india and thats why you need a script not for any considerations of morality or justice or even protection/safety for that matter; considering that if safety were the true concern then cigarettes would obviously be illegal. You on the other hand are advocating for the subversion of peoples will through deceit and manipulation. Did you know that it's illegal to own slaves in the US? By your logic we should admire those who are able to practice slavery well and commit the crime of doing so long as they do it well and get away with it. Which you obviously oppose as demonstrated in following posts. I hope you can grasp the stupidity of your inconsistent thinking here.

"cheering on the shooting of our citizens" Never happened. I'm sure you are referring to Jacob Blake. How did the media report it? "unarmed black man shot in the back 8 times by white cop after an altercation started where he was just trying to break up a fight" The only thing true or honest about this is that one dude was white and one black and he got shot. There wasn't a fight. The truth was the cops responded to a call from the rape victim of Jacob Blake saying that he was harassing her. He had a warrant out for his arrest for sexually assaulting the women who called the cops on him a month prior. He defied all lawful orders was tased etc and then he reached into his car where there was a knife visible and got shot in front of his kids. What the fuck did he think would happen? What do you suppose should have happened otherwise? In your mind does that justify looting/ destroying/ assaulting people?

It was biden who said people who don the confederate flag were fine people. Look up the video on youtube. You are probably referring to the Charlottesville speech trump gave. Turns out if you watch the speech that is not what he said. They took his words out of context and imminently preceding the statement that the media has pushed as evidence of his racist ideas he condemned in no unclear terms any form of racism and bigotry. Watch the interview yourself, it's online and is about 5 min. Then contrast what he actually says vs what the media says he said.

Slavery was not just a product of the time, it was literally the norm through pretty much all of history. The USA in stopping slavery broke with many many thousands of years of human tradition. All races creeds and colors practiced it. Even the natives that Columbus made first contact with. Which he then enslaved himself. But you get the idea. Slavery is not a US specific thing. The word Slave comes from the word Slav, like slavic people. Additionally who we regard as the super wealthy and elite of today are who would have been the slave owners in antiquity. The vast majority people in the US did not practice slavery.

Obviously slavery is an abomination. Most of history is one abomination to the next. However, history is there to teach us about our mistakes. If we don't keep it around to learn about it we will fall prey to the same axioms that got us there in the first place. No sane person would advocate for slavery in the modern world but tons of people will take this proposition and make out to be just that so they feel superior in their righteous indignation such that they feel justified in aggression against the people who suggest it. be it property or person.

The police do not make the laws that they enforce. Obviously I don't think many laws should exist. Specifically the ones that encroach on civil liberties that pose no threat to others. Obviously shitty cops exist because shitty people exist. The police force is essential but what is policed has gone far past what is essential. Police reform is needed but cops don't make those reforms, politicians do. Just like the military is essential but war isn't. Well, under MMT war may actually be essential for the survival of the currency but that's another discussion.

One oddity is that you want a more centralized government with more authority.. Who do you think is going to enforce that authority and in a more centralized government do you think the laws of the land are going to be less authoritarian or something?
 
If you think the civil war was about slavery, go read a history book.
It was at the very core of the issue that led to the Civil War.

There were other economic issues, but the Abolition movement was important to going after those succession states that insisted on slavery.


That said you certainly wouldn't call someone a hero that would fight to defend slavery would you? What about erecting statues to honor men that were slavers?

What possible purpose could there be to erecting a statue of any man that has held, beaten, sold men,women, and children. That would make you completely irredeemable, there's no place for you to go but a footnote in history as a cruel pile of shit.
 
I'm going to address your latest string of posts but won't tag them all.

First, you have been sold a pack of lies that subvert your reason by hijacking your empathy. I'll demonstrate it here and I really hope you take the time to consider what I say and look into the examples I provide.

Crimes are not equivalent. One type of crime does not necessitate any shared territory with another type of crime. So you are making a false equivalency when saying that we as criminals here should therefore respect those who commit crime and further admire those who are good at it. A person here is exercising freedom of choice of what they want to do with their body. It infringes on no one elses right to do the same or otherwise. The fact that retin a, a lotion is illegal to posses without a prescription is arbitrary and has no moral ground to stand. It costs 70 dollars in the us and 7 in india and thats why you need a script not for any considerations of morality or justice or even protection/safety for that matter; considering that if safety were the true concern then cigarettes would obviously be illegal. You on the other hand are advocating for the subversion of peoples will through deceit and manipulation. Did you know that it's illegal to own slaves in the US? By your logic we should admire those who are able to practice slavery well and commit the crime of doing so long as they do it well and get away with it. Which you obviously oppose as demonstrated in following posts. I hope you can grasp the stupidity of your inconsistent thinking here.

"cheering on the shooting of our citizens" Never happened. I'm sure you are referring to Jacob Blake. How did the media report it? "unarmed black man shot in the back 8 times by white cop after an altercation started where he was just trying to break up a fight" The only thing true or honest about this is that one dude was white and one black and he got shot. There wasn't a fight. The truth was the cops responded to a call from the rape victim of Jacob Blake saying that he was harassing her. He had a warrant out for his arrest for sexually assaulting the women who called the cops on him a month prior. He defied all lawful orders was tased etc and then he reached into his car where there was a knife visible and got shot in front of his kids. What the fuck did he think would happen? What do you suppose should have happened otherwise? In your mind does that justify looting/ destroying/ assaulting people?

It was biden who said people who don the confederate flag were fine people. Look up the video on youtube. You are probably referring to the Charlottesville speech trump gave. Turns out if you watch the speech that is not what he said. They took his words out of context and imminently preceding the statement that the media has pushed as evidence of his racist ideas he condemned in no unclear terms any form of racism and bigotry. Watch the interview yourself, it's online and is about 5 min. Then contrast what he actually says vs what the media says he said.

Slavery was not just a product of the time, it was literally the norm through pretty much all of history. The USA in stopping slavery broke with many many thousands of years of human tradition. All races creeds and colors practiced it. Even the natives that Columbus made first contact with. Which he then enslaved himself. But you get the idea. Slavery is not a US specific thing. The word Slave comes from the word Slav, like slavic people. Additionally who we regard as the super wealthy and elite of today are who would have been the slave owners in antiquity. The vast majority people in the US did not practice slavery.

Obviously slavery is an abomination. Most of history is one abomination to the next. However, history is there to teach us about our mistakes. If we don't keep it around to learn about it we will fall prey to the same axioms that got us there in the first place. No sane person would advocate for slavery in the modern world but tons of people will take this proposition and make out to be just that so they feel superior in their righteous indignation such that they feel justified in aggression against the people who suggest it. be it property or person.

The police do not make the laws that they enforce. Obviously I don't think many laws should exist. Specifically the ones that encroach on civil liberties that pose no threat to others. Obviously shitty cops exist because shitty people exist. The police force is essential but what is policed has gone far past what is essential. Police reform is needed but cops don't make those reforms, politicians do. Just like the military is essential but war isn't. Well, under MMT war may actually be essential for the survival of the currency but that's another discussion.

One oddity is that you want a more centralized government with more authority.. Who do you think is going to enforce that authority and in a more centralized government do you think the laws of the land are going to be less authoritarian or something?
Man, that was well written. you have alot more patience than I do, and much more articulate.
 
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