Jano "The ultimate Con-man and Liar?" thread...You be the judge

[janoshik]

Well I can't edit my post at this point, but you are correct that I erred in saying seros when the specific product is TPs black top -that's my bad. I should have stated TPs black specifically or just said "the HGH" in question.

Beyond that I'm not here for a Pissing match and the purpose of my post was to encourage people to read the entire thread and come to their own conclusion - I've come to mine ( at least with the evidence presented so far and the probability of the truth of various parties statements - given both what they said and what they may have to gain or loose ).

That all said, It is important to note that your version may very well be true and some folks may fall in that camp - crazy shit happens creating crazy sounding stories ( and I think everyone will agree that your version of the events is a little out there with customs possibly not releasing the package to you, then giving it to you bc you are a lab, then you holding the pack for a while before opening, then customs contacting you and saying the pack needed to be sent back or detained again after releasing it to you, then you happening to have another batch 17 of TP's black top, then opening and swapping the vials and at the same time not changing how the vials were packaged, and then sending the package back to mands)

It's a lot of fucking hoops to jump through. Could it be true? Sure, but it's not fucking likely.

So, I don't know what to tell you but your version of events is just difficult to believe. And if it is all true then I'm sorry you are catching all kinds of shit here but you have a difficult story to believe.

That was just an attitude I've caught here on Meso, I'm sure you'd understand in my skin.

You are correct, I should have not made it a pissing match and I apologize.

But you should think if the things you've accused me and M96ss of and check the other side of the barricade - which you did not, going by the way the first half of your post was written.

Regarding the rest that is a very sober view and I can't but agree, as I had several times, that the events I say have happened are unprobable at the very least, but I've provided what evidence I could here.

I've provided a lot more evidence behind the curtains, because I can't risk sharing my personal data in public. That might be the case why do some people seem to have a 'blind' faith in me.

So in short - I do agree with you.

 

[muscle96ss]

Really?

Exhibit A:


Exhibit B:







I already addressed this false logical reasoning of yours. It is an error in your thinking of logical deductions. We do not have to provide any explanation on Janos behalf. Just evidence that he has lied.





Case closed!

Regarding Exhibits A, where is the inconsistency? Jano has explained the chain of events numerous time with the exact same story and transcripts of conversations as proof of the timeline. Thats what consistency is about. Please tell me what is consistent about that?

Regarding Exhibit B, Jano explained that as well. You may not like or agree with the explanation, but that has nothing to do with consistency.

Regarding your little psychobabble; it seems as if what you are doing is the exact same thing you are writing about and accusing me of doing. The fact remains that we don't have a full story from the mand's camp that accounts for what happened. The whole case is based on the simple fact that mands received the package back opened but with the contents looking the same as when it was shipped. Jano has given his explanation of how that occurred. You have denied that explanation by saying that it is not believable, but have yet to state a case yourself that makes any sense of what happened.

Why is it too much to ask for you to simply lay out your case on what you think happened? Why is there so much resistance to this question? How do you expect someone to defend themselves when you yourself can't even say what you think happened in a logical manner? So you say Jano's scenario is unlikely; well lets start posting what scenario is likely.

 

[Sdryx]

I think he lied is the scenario. Everything else is irrelevant in the chain of events.

I've posted the contradictions showing evidence against him.

I've made my points and don't wish to create circular arguments going nowhere. I'm done for now.

 

[muscle96ss]

I think he lied is the scenario. Everything else is irrelevant in the chain of events.

I've posted the contradictions showing evidence against him.

I've made my points and don't wish to create circular arguments going nowhere. I'm done for now.

But to say that the chain of events is irrelevant and make your decision without taking the whole scenario into account is being shortsighted and not rational. I see it everyday in real life where I get patients that have a diagnosis simply because they have 1 symptom consistent with the disease(i.e. shuffling gait for Parkinson's). When I evaluate the patient and listen to their story it is easy to see that they have signs and symptoms that do not make sense for the given diagnosis and suggest something different going on. Some of these are from well respected docs at the top of their fields. I will brag a little; in most cases I am right. So to say the chain of events is irrelevant is absurd.

 

[rpbb]

But to say that the chain of events is irrelevant and make your decision without taking the whole scenario into account is being shortsighted and not rational. I see it everyday in real life where I get patients that have a diagnosis simply because they have 1 symptom consistent with the disease(i.e. shuffling gait for Parkinson's). When I evaluate the patient and listen to their story it is easy to see that they have signs and symptoms that do not make sense for the given diagnosis and suggest something different going on. Some of these are from well respected docs at the top of their fields. I will brag a little; in most cases I am right. So to say the chain of events is irrelevant is absurd.

So now you're going to fall back on your pretend medical job to make your point, you still make no sense and are deflecting

 

[Sworder]

drama

 

[Buck1973]

After following this thread from the beginning then taking a considerable amount of time last evening re reading the entire thread, the answer to whether Jano lied about testing the Seros is present in this thread - at least from my review.

Unfortunately numberous other friends or associates of Jano have also entered the discussion and raised issues outside of the scope of the threads intent - did Jano lie about testing the seros Mands sent. In doing so, it appears these other individuals are attempting to deflect attention away from the crux of the matter.

@rpbb
Thank you for keeping this thread on track and posting reminders of the real issue at hand.

I would recommend that anyone joining this thread and interested in who is telling the truth to read the entire thread from the start and come to your own conclusion. Your conclusion may differ.

However it is clear that a number of the voices involved, but not all, have a stake in the game - be it monetary or pride.

The issue of proper testing of AAS is increadebly important to the entire Meso, bodybuilding, streangth conditioning community from the standpoint of quality and safe product.

Unfortunately as long as profits are involved there will always be those individuals who push the limits of decency for a buck.

** there will also be misunderstandings, accidents, and difficult explanations that turn out to be true.

But as consumers of these products and members of this Forum, the only information we have to rely upon is what is presented to us here. Ultimatly It is up to us to do the work and read all the evidence presented, and then think, to be fully informed.

Well I can't edit my post at this point, but you are correct that I erred in saying seros when the specific product is TPs black top -that's my bad. I should have stated TPs black specifically or just said "the HGH" in question.

Beyond that I'm not here for a Pissing match and the purpose of my post was to encourage people to read the entire thread and come to their own conclusion - I've come to mine ( at least with the evidence presented so far and the probability of the truth of various parties statements - given both what they said and what they may have to gain or loose ).

That all said, It is important to note that your version may very well be true and some folks may fall in that camp - crazy shit happens creating crazy sounding stories ( and I think everyone will agree that your version of the events is a little out there with customs possibly not releasing the package to you, then giving it to you bc you are a lab, then you holding the pack for a while before opening, then customs contacting you and saying the pack needed to be sent back or detained again after releasing it to you, then you happening to have another batch 17 of TP's black top, then opening and swapping the vials and at the same time not changing how the vials were packaged, and then sending the package back to mands)

It's a lot of fucking hoops to jump through. Could it be true? Sure, but it's not fucking likely.

So, I don't know what to tell you but your version of events is just difficult to believe. And if it is all true then I'm sorry you are catching all kinds of shit here but you have a difficult story to believe.








Well

My Brotha , with all due respect,
1st ya think this is all about a sero sent to Mr. Jano from Mr. Mands?
This is after you followed the whole thread and then took a considerable amount of time to reread it?
Ya corrected that and I understand.
Then in the correction Ya think that Mr. Jano sent the Pac back to Mr. Mands??????
Again with all due respect, these are some of the simpler facts.
How good of a decision do ya think ya made missin these few simple things?
But thats yr entitlement.
And we should all care about yr opinion why now??????.
question everyone, do yr research, dont be spoon fed facts that are not factual.
have a openmind,...

 

[muscle96ss]

So now you're going to fall back on your pretend medical job to make your point, you still make no sense and are deflecting

Follow your own advice fuckface and stay on topic.

 

[g.o.a.t.]

Yes They were but they were identified...... and the identities will not be revealed again until results are in. no reason for it IMO.
a few reasons how, if ypou want ALL POssibilitys.1st if ya ever seen a Sero you remember them, they are unlike any generic at the time. and easy to identify. whether or not we identified them.
a pic was posted and through process of ilimitation ya can pick it out...
also Many wont believe this. but when the testin started and results started to come in, a Pharma grade HGH is easily identified by the tester with results. that tester was Mr. Jano.........
I asked this question and at the time thats how it was xplained.
But for the conspiracy guys i listed ALL possibilities....
Also keep in mind these were the samples goin to Simec in the pic posted.. the Jano samples contained a 4 mg. vial which has a different color top (which was never posted b/c we were waitin for last min. delivery.).
yes the Mistake was Mine I acquired both Pharma's . I said they were 6 mgs. the Jano sample was not.
so if we are head huntin, The Lie was mine. I said it was a 6 mg. sero thats is wat i was suppose to collect ...... the story is more involved but i wont bore ya wit da details and try to keep on topic, but this is related to Janos credibility and capability.... There is no Lie there....

Not sure how this adds anything to Janos credibility or capability. All you've shown with this post is that the Seros were easily identifiable. The vials are different , "unlike any generic ", according to you and the caps are different colored ( like maybe blue for 6mg and green for 4mg ). It seems to me the only thing this actually shows is Jano examined the vials and probably has experience with hgh or an Internet connection.

 

[janoshik]

Not sure how this adds anything to Janos credibility or capability. All you've shown with this post is that the Seros were easily identifiable. The vials are different , "unlike any generic ", according to you and the caps are different colored ( like maybe blue for 6mg and green for 4mg ). It seems to me the only thing this actually shows is Jano examined the vials and probably has experience with hgh or an Internet connection.

It was just an answer to a question

 

[Buck1973]

Not sure how this adds anything to Janos credibility or capability. All you've shown with this post is that the Seros were easily identifiable. The vials are different , "unlike any generic ", according to you and the caps are different colored ( like maybe blue for 6mg and green for 4mg ). It seems to me the only thing this actually shows is Jano examined the vials and probably has experience with hgh or an Internet connection.

I just speak the truth and bring wat facts I can. the possibilities are there and anyone can speculate from there.
if it helps or hurts anyone so b it...
As far as credibility and being capable.
The lab despite My mistake got the proper results.
The only reason I bring this is this;
You dont xpose lies or false info with lies and false info. you xpose it with the truth......
so when i see members post that there is no lab, lab equip., or any real results, its all made up..
That is a lie and misleadin....

 

[rpbb]

I just speak the truth and bring wat facts I can. the possibilities are there and anyone can speculate from there.
if it helps or hurts anyone so b it...
As far as credibility and being capable.
The lab despite My mistake got the proper results.
The only reason I bring this is this;
You dont xpose lies or false info with lies and false info. you xpose it with the truth......
so when i see members post that there is no lab, lab equip., or any real results, its all made up..
That is a lie and misleadin....

Shill

 

[muscle96ss]

Shill

Asshole!! Idiot!! Moron!!

 

[rpbb]

Asshole!! Idiot!! Moron!!

shill

 

[muscle96ss]

shill

Rpbb, all of your posts are simply negative attacks and false accusations that contribute absolutely nothing to the discussion. Why can't you post something of actual substance and value rather than acting like a troll? If you want to have an actual discussion then lets have a discussion, otherwise keep to yourself.

 

[jJjburton]

the information is out these already, for the public. So if there is any "hidden" info that would clear up either side, then it would be wise to show that info in order to clear things up. This isregarding somehting that jano said.

Everyone has already made there mind up about this incident. So you are beating a dead horse at the moment. Muscle96

 

[muscle96ss]

Sorry, I don't have any hidden information in regards to the sequence of events that transpired in this issue. What is hidden, however, is the facts from the accusers of what they are saying transpired. Nobody thus far has offered an explanation for how Jano knew the batch number of the contents of the package. In addition nobody has taken a clear position on what they think happened to the packaged that it ended up back with mands. Was it seized or was it refused? And what was the motive for someone who mands claims he believes has the equipment and capability of doing the testing; to fake a free test that he never made public?

So you can make your decision based on who you like and who is the popular crowd here on Meso; but if you want to make the corrct decision you need to look at the facts and understand ALL the facts of the case. People have a habit here at Meso of not looking at things objectively and automatically assuming all outsiders are scammers and poisonous. I have been in this position on several occasion before here at Meso where what I believe differs from what Jim and his followers believe. However, in the end, on each occasion I have been proven correct.

 

[mands]

Sorry, I don't have any hidden information in regards to the sequence of events that transpired in this issue. What is hidden, however, is the facts from the accusers of what they are saying transpired. Nobody thus far has offered an explanation for how Jano knew the batch number of the contents of the package. In addition nobody has taken a clear position on what they think happened to the packaged that it ended up back with mands. Was it seized or was it refused? And what was the motive for someone who mands claims he believes has the equipment and capability of doing the testing; to fake a free test that he never made public?

So you can make your decision based on who you like and who is the popular crowd here on Meso; but if you want to make the corrct decision you need to look at the facts and understand ALL the facts of the case. People have a habit here at Meso of not looking at things objectively and automatically assuming all outsiders are scammers and poisonous. I have been in this position on several occasion before here at Meso where what I believe differs from what Jim and his followers believe. However, in the end, on each occasion I have been proven correct.

This is the last time I will post in this thread.

I have told you why Jano claimed to test my GH and the benefits. I'm not going over it with you again. Also you state that I claim that jano has equipment or access to equipment. But, why did I say this? Because you told me he did. You said he sent you pics of it. I took your word for it.

Still waiting on Jano to describe how the package looked and what the first aid tin came in and how it was packaged. I have told you there are very specific things on how it was packed. I can't say more that that or I will give it away.

Still waiting on test to be posted(which you insured he would not too long ago), still waiting on him. Still waiting.

mands

 

[Brolloks]

This is the last time I will post in this thread.

Mands, I think everyone greatly respects your effort here. However, despite suggesting everyone make up their own mind in the title of this thread, you seem to be the main headhunter here.

 

[muscle96ss]

This is the last time I will post in this thread.

I have told you why Jano claimed to test my GH and the benefits. I'm not going over it with you again. Also you state that I claim that jano has equipment or access to equipment. But, why did I say this? Because you told me he did. You said he sent you pics of it. I took your word for it.

Still waiting on Jano to describe how the package looked and what the first aid tin came in and how it was packaged. I have told you there are very specific things on how it was packed. I can't say more that that or I will give it away.

Still waiting on test to be posted(which you insured he would not too long ago), still waiting on him. Still waiting.

mands

I know you stated that the reason Jano was testing was because of his "business plan"; but in our original conversation that was not what was discussed. You were sending them to Jano to see how close the results were in comparison to Jim's AAA. You were sending 3 vials, 1 for him to test, 1 for his colleague to test, and 1 you thought he was sending for another test. You asked me to have him waive his fees. So whatever "business plan" you guys came up with was not part of the original conversation. And I say you guys because you were obviously involved in it; so I wouldn't try to make it sound unkosher.

Secondly, rather than answer the questions that I posted and explain what you think transpired; you have instead deflected it back to Jano. Doesn't the accuser have to make its case first and establish what they are claiming happened first? The only thing that has been established is that the package came back to you opened with the contents appearing untampered.

I agree that Jano's story does sound outlandish, but so does any other story presented here such as suggesting Jano refused the package or having the package seized and then being returned.