Josh Bridgman arrested

[ivandragovich]

How is he supposed to show up to court if the border patrol will not let him in the country?

Assuming if it’s official legal court visit they would let him in. New York trip was not anything to do with legal proceedings, since already in the system on a charge that’s an automatic denial of entry.

 

[ivandragovich]

I started this thread to bring some awareness to the fact that even tho rare, steroid charges, specifically personal possession ones, still do happen in the U.S. I’ve seen many posts saying this never occurs, that’s delusional.

 

[Ghoul]

I started this thread to bring some awareness to the fact that even tho rare, steroid charges, specifically personal possession ones, still do happen in the U.S. I’ve seen many posts saying this never occurs, that’s delusional.

Still waiting for evidence of him being prosecuted for "steroid possession".

Nonetheless, charges for possession do happen, at around the same rate as being struck by lightening. Convictions for possession are so rare no one can find an example without going back years. And imprisonment is non existent. This in the context of an estimated 4 million steroid users. FOUR MILLION.

Manufacturers and major dealers are rarely prosecuted. Most of the time offenders in these high level steroid crimes are given probation, unless they have a criminal history or some aggravating factors are involved.

This entire subject came up lately in the context of how dangerous some were claiming "stocking up" would be, given the real potential of supply disruptions from China. Short of being on probation, parole, or living in a halfway house and subject to routine searches by the police, that's simply not a realistic concern.

He's not "coming back to court" for steroid possession. 100%.

This is not the unicorn the fear mongers have been looking for.

 

[AlexDavis43]

How is he supposed to show up to court if the border patrol will not let him in the country?

These are two different agencies who may not communicate well with each other. Bridgman could get fucked because of this.

 

[malfeasance]

Still waiting for evidence of him being prosecuted for "steroid possession".

Nonetheless, charges for possession do happen, at around the same rate as being struck by lightening. Convictions for possession are so rare no one can find an example without going back years. And imprisonment is non existent. This in the context of an estimated 4 million steroid users. FOUR MILLION.

Convictions are rare? If by that you mean plea deals are not a conviction or there is a pretrial diversion, you are wrong on the first count and not wrong on the second, but not every court system has pretrial diversion. Moreover, it had better be a first offense. In the state to the south of you, a first offense, possession only, Schedule III, is 1 to 3 years. A third offense is 1 to 5. Most of the counties in the state to the south of you have a pretrial diversion program available (not all of them) but you must have never had a drug offense, ever, in your whole life, to take advantage of that. Small amount of pot possession charge back when you were 17? No pretrial diversion for you.

You will, however, even if you get pretrial diversion or a conditional release, lose your license to drive for 6 months. Second drug offenses are a year. Third are two years.

Then there are all sorts of other considerations, like professional licensing.

They removed the disability for student aid, so at least that is no longer a concern.

Even just the indictment, without any conviction, removes your ability to purchase a gun (if you try, that is a separate federal felony).

STRUCK BY LIGHTNING?

The odds of being struck by lightning are 1/1,222,000/yr

Odds of being charged with possession of steroids are probably higher than that.

You cannot rely on news stories to determine this - minor drug possession felonies are not newsworthy unless they catch 5 cops in the local department with steroids.

 

[MrTexas2]

Let’s break down yet another generic list of side effects that they posted:

• Gynaecomastia (man-boobs) - easily preventable in most cases by simply dosing ancillaries properly and not being a highly aromatising fatass
• Genitourinary (shrinking of testicles) - somewhat preventable with Hcg but yes a reality, albeit relatively trivial, nonetheless
• Erectile dysfunction - both preventable and fixable with proper sleep + e2 within range
• Infertility - fair concern but preventable with Hcg and with sperm freezing in advance
• Heart attacks - relatively preventable with bloodwork and supplementing statins as needed, also by not taking a ton of unnecessary anabolics and by cruising or cycling off for appropriate time
• Strokes - see above for heart attacks. RBC donation both highly accessible and another good preventative measure
• Blood-borne virus risk (e.g. HIV, hepatitis B, hepatitis C) as a result of injecting - lol
• Addiction - relative term
• Depression - yes just like many (perhaps most?) men natty will eventually experience and have a hard time overcoming
• Aggression and violence (commonly called 'roid rage') - generally for people who were preexisting assholes or pieces of shit

The media and other ignoramuses have been hyping up the dangers since before I was old enough to lift a weight....and I am old as dirt.

 

[Ghoul]

Convictions are rare? If by that you mean plea deals are not a conviction or there is a pretrial diversion, you are wrong on the first count and not wrong on the second, but not every court system has pretrial diversion. Moreover, it had better be a first offense. In the state to the south of you, a first offense, possession only, Schedule III, is 1 to 3 years. A third offense is 1 to 5. Most of the counties in the state to the south of you have a pretrial diversion program available (not all of them) but you must have never had a drug offense, ever, in your whole life, to take advantage of that. Small amount of pot possession charge back when you were 17? No pretrial diversion for you.

You will, however, even if you get pretrial diversion or a conditional release, lose your license to drive for 6 months. Second drug offenses are a year. Third are two years.

Then there are all sorts of other considerations, like professional licensing.

They removed the disability for student aid, so at least that is no longer a concern.

Even just the indictment, without any conviction, removes your ability to purchase a gun (if you try, that is a separate federal felony).

STRUCK BY LIGHTNING?

The odds of being struck by lightning are 1/1,222,000/yr

Odds of being charged with possession of steroids are probably higher than that.

You cannot rely on news stories to determine this - minor drug possession felonies are not newsworthy unless they catch 5 cops in the local department with steroids.

Any speeding offense with a child in the car can be prosecuted as a criminal offense.

Being 31 days late in filing your taxes can be prosecuted as a felony.

Every bounced $20 check can be indicted as federal bank fraud.

Every controlled substance you've been prescribed, which is beyond the "discard after" date on the label are now illegally possessed drugs, subject to prosecution.

In reality none of these things happen.

Go to any cannabis focused forum and you'll find no shortage of these who've had run ins with the law over the substance, including imprisonment.

Go to something as wholesome as a hunting and fishing forum and you'll even find plenty who've had to go to court to defend various charges.

How many here, one of the highest concentrations of PED experienced users in the country, have gotten into legal trouble for possession of steroids in the US? 100? 10? How about .a few, at least? None. Or they're all "deep undercover", terribly scared to tell their stories.

Do I need to mention the tens of thousands of shipments seized at the border that universally result in no action taken against end users as a pretty good proxy for government's attitude toward enforcement?

When "kingpins" of multi state steroid distribution operations, investigated for years at a cost of millions, who import foreign precursors, and coordinate manufacturing operations are sentenced, the absolute pinnacle of AAS related crime, they get, at most, similar sentences to repeat drunk drivers. All those lower in the organization. get probation, or deferred adjudication, or not prosecuted at all.

Now I'm not suggesting anyone brazenly flaunt their possession of an illegal substance, but the idea that in light of all we see, users should cower in fear, avoiding. "stocking up" because prosecutors are just waiting to leap on them with "possession with intent to distribute" charges is absolutely absurd.

 

[ivandragovich]

Any speeding offense with a child in the car can be prosecuted as a criminal offense.

Being 31 days late in filing your taxes can be prosecuted as a felony.

Every bounced $20 check can be indicted as federal bank fraud.

Every controlled substance you've been prescribed, which is beyond the "discard after" date on the label are now illegally possessed drugs, subject to prosecution.

In reality none of these things happen.

Go to any cannabis focused forum and you'll find no shortage of these who've had run ins with the law over the substance, including imprisonment.

Go to something as wholesome as a hunting and fishing forum and you'll even find plenty who've had to go to court to defend various charges.

How many here, one of the highest concentrations of PED experienced users in the country, have gotten into legal trouble for possession of steroids in the US? 100? 10? How about .a few, at least? None. Or they're all "deep undercover", terribly scared to tell their stories.

Do I need to mention the tens of thousands of shipments seized at the border that universally result in no action taken against end users as a pretty good proxy for government's attitude toward enforcement?

When "kingpins" of multi state steroid distribution operations, investigated for years at a cost of millions, who import foreign precursors, and coordinate manufacturing operations are sentenced, the absolute pinnacle of AAS related crime, they get, at most, similar sentences to repeat drunk drivers. All those lower in the organization. get probation, or deferred adjudication, or not prosecuted at all.

Now I'm not suggesting anyone brazenly flaunt their possession of an illegal substance, but the idea that in light of all we see, users should cower in fear, avoiding. "stocking up" because prosecutors are just waiting to leap on them with "possession with intent to distribute" charges is absolutely absurd.

Logical and practical response. Respect.

 

[malfeasance]

Any speeding offense with a child in the car can be prosecuted as a criminal offense.

Being 31 days late in filing your taxes can be prosecuted as a felony.

Every bounced $20 check can be indicted as federal bank fraud.

Every controlled substance you've been prescribed, which is beyond the "discard after" date on the label are now illegally possessed drugs, subject to prosecution.

In reality none of these things happen.

Go to any cannabis focused forum and you'll find no shortage of these who've had run ins with the law over the substance, including imprisonment.

Go to something as wholesome as a hunting and fishing forum and you'll even find plenty who've had to go to court to defend various charges.

How many here, one of the highest concentrations of PED experienced users in the country, have gotten into legal trouble for possession of steroids in the US? 100? 10? How about .a few, at least? None. Or they're all "deep undercover", terribly scared to tell their stories.

Do I need to mention the tens of thousands of shipments seized at the border that universally result in no action taken against end users as a pretty good proxy for government's attitude toward enforcement?

When "kingpins" of multi state steroid distribution operations, investigated for years at a cost of millions, who import foreign precursors, and coordinate manufacturing operations are sentenced, the absolute pinnacle of AAS related crime, they get, at most, similar sentences to repeat drunk drivers. All those lower in the organization. get probation, or deferred adjudication, or not prosecuted at all.

Now I'm not suggesting anyone brazenly flaunt their possession of an illegal substance, but the idea that in light of all we see, users should cower in fear, avoiding. "stocking up" because prosecutors are just waiting to leap on them with "possession with intent to distribute" charges is absolutely absurd.

None of those examples are felonies. Marijuana in my state is a misdemeanor, and some localities refuse to prosecute marijuana cases at all. In my state, and in many others, possession of any amount of steroids is a felony.

I find it laughable that you believe these are not prosecuted. I can only guess you get your information from the internet and have little exposure to the criminal justice system.

And yes, folks who get into legal trouble over steroids do not come and post here. I actually KNOW this for a fact.

For you to claim it never happens is idiotic. You are not aware that it happens is a more accurate statement.

I know about lots and lots and lots of these cases. You don't. I get it. But your ignorance should not be motivating such dogmatic and self assured statements.

 

[malfeasance]

I started this thread to bring some awareness to the fact that even tho rare, steroid charges, specifically personal possession ones, still do happen in the U.S. I’ve seen many posts saying this never occurs, that’s delusional.

No, no, no. Never happens. He must have made it up. Just ask Ghoul. After all, there is no news story to link, right? And he did not post all about it here, right? Must be made up.


The reality is that this happens all the time. If he was not some sort of social media celebrity, you never would have heard of it. Which according to some means it never happens.

 

[ivandragovich]

No, no, no. Never happens. He must have made it up. Just ask Ghoul. After all, there is no news story to link, right? And he did not post all about it here, right? Must be made up.


The reality is that this happens all the time. If he was not some sort of social media celebrity, you never would have heard of it. Which according to some means it never happens.

I will update as soon as Josh speaks on it on the podcast. I have also been able to reach him via Instagram DMs and his story replies. He’s been pretty responsive. I’ll try and get the timeline for the podcast. No promises. Don’t want to hound the guy for our own entertainment.

 

[narta]

Most prosecutions involve other things like hard drugs and/or guns. Steroids by themselves for personal use mean dick squat to the cops.

 

[readalot]

None of those examples are felonies. Marijuana in my state is a misdemeanor, and some localities refuse to prosecute marijuana cases at all. In my state, and in many others, possession of any amount of steroids is a felony.

I find it laughable that you believe these are not prosecuted. I can only guess you get your information from the internet and have little exposure to the criminal justice system.

And yes, folks who get into legal trouble over steroids do not come and post here. I actually KNOW this for a fact.

For you to claim it never happens is idiotic. You are not aware that it happens is a more accurate statement.

I know about lots and lots and lots of these cases. You don't. I get it. But your ignorance should not be motivating such dogmatic and self assured statements.

I don't know why you guys want to argue this stuff with Malfeasance. This is the stuff you need to hear, not what you want to hear. A simple "thanks so much" would be great.

Thanks so much Malfeasance.

 

[malfeasance]

Most prosecutions involve other things like hard drugs and/or guns. Steroids by themselves for personal use mean dick squat to the cops.

False.

That does happen, with the other drugs and such, and it is a good way to get on the "radar," but the last sentence you wrote is completely and utterly false.

 

[malfeasance]

I don't like getting in here and arguing this. It is stressful. I don't like that arrests for possession of steroids happen (I think they should be legal). But they do happen, and I know this. It is not some sort of opinion.

When folks come in here and post that it does not happen, and the police do not care about steroids, it is frustrating to see.

Yeah, sure, do the cops care as much about going after steroid possession as a child molester? No, of course not. But if steroids are a felony where you live, you can bet that they will pursue it if evidence comes their way, and there are lots of ways that evidence of steroids can come their way, starting with use or possession of harder drugs, as narta pointed out above. That is far from the only way.

I have detailed other ways in the past. I am not going to do it here again, as others here get upset that I am pointing these things out and want to claim that it is not true. I have not posted anything, however, about which I do not have personal knowledge as to the ways these arrests happen. Again, it is not some matter of opinion, and I am not posting about hypotheticals, well, this could happen.

It does happen.

Unless you live in Oregon or some other state that does not treat scheduled drugs as a criminal matter, you need to be aware of the risks. No, you are not going to prison simply for possession of steroids, but there are many consequences to an arrest for felony possession of a Schedule III substance.

 

[BuildABro]

False.

That does happen, with the other drugs and such, and it is a good way to get on the "radar," but the last sentence you wrote is completely and utterly false.

Most people who get popped for drug possession are either in a vehicle that gets pulled over and they have shit on them or else they are acting like an idiot under the influence and this draws the attention of law enforcement. Or both I suppose.

Generally speaking, people who use Steroids don't roll around town with gear and syringes in their car's glove box or console and also don't typically act a fool in public like someone on meth or heroin might. So while we are all technically breaking the same laws as other drug users, we tend to fly under the radar because we don't attract the same kind of attention. This is why arrests for possession of anabolic steroids are comparatively so much more rare than those of other substances.

Though I harbor no delusions that cops would not give a shit if I were to be caught. I know full well what I am doing and I accept that risk, obviously, but I never plan to give law enforcement a reason. In this tiny town/county I see the police so rarely we pretty much police ourselves anyway. Around these parts provided you are not bothering anyone nobody really gives a shit what you are up to. The inherent advantage of living in the sticks.

 

[readalot]

I don't like getting in here and arguing this. It is stressful. I don't like that arrests for possession of steroids happen (I think they should be legal). But they do happen, and I know this. It is not some sort of opinion.

When folks come in here and post that it does not happen, and the police do not care about steroids, it is frustrating to see.

Yeah, sure, do the cops care as much about going after steroid possession as a child molester? No, of course not. But if steroids are a felony where you live, you can bet that they will pursue it if evidence comes their way, and there are lots of ways that evidence of steroids can come their way, starting with use or possession of harder drugs, as narta pointed out above. That is far from the only way.

I have detailed other ways in the past. I am not going to do it here again, as others here get upset that I am pointing these things out and want to claim that it is not true. I have not posted anything, however, about which I do not have personal knowledge as to the ways these arrests happen. Again, it is not some matter of opinion, and I am not posting about hypotheticals, well, this could happen.

It does happen.

Unless you live in Oregon or some other state that does not treat scheduled drugs as a criminal matter, you need to be aware of the risks. No, you are not going to prison simply for possession of steroids, but there are many consequences to an arrest for felony possession of a Schedule III substance.

I have read you posts on this for years. Some of the best posts on here for harm reduction. I will never understand the level of rationalization displayed on these forums with regard to this topic. It is a risky rationalization indeed. Insert Mike Tyson quote here and all that.

Thank you for your service.

 

[malfeasance]

Most people who get popped for drug possession are either in a vehicle that gets pulled over and they have shit on them or else they are acting like an idiot under the influence and this draws the attention of law enforcement. Or both I suppose.

Generally speaking, people who use Steroids don't roll around town with gear and syringes in their car's glove box or console and also don't typically act a fool in public like someone on meth or heroin might. So while we are all technically breaking the same laws as other drug users, we tend to fly under the radar because we don't attract the same kind of attention. This is why arrests for possession of anabolic steroids are comparatively so much more rare than those of other substances.

Though I harbor no delusions that cops would not give a shit if I were to be caught. I know full well what I am doing and I accept that risk, obviously, but I never plan to give law enforcement a reason. In this tiny town/county I see the police so rarely we pretty much police ourselves anyway. Around these parts provided you are not bothering anyone nobody really gives a shit what you are up to. The inherent advantage of living in the sticks.

The ones in the sticks are the very ones to get most excited about the postal inspectors bringing them evidence of a potential case.

 

[BuildABro]

The ones in the sticks are the very ones to get most excited about the postal inspectors bringing them evidence of a potential case.

So what would be your suggestion for someone looking to add additional layers of personal protection for ordering gear online?

 

[readalot]

So what would be your suggestion for someone looking to add additional layers of personal protection for ordering gear online?

Don't do it if you want protection. Similar to trying to avoid herpes with a condom. Roll the dice and don't get in too far.