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malfeasance
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scary stuff
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I watched a video and the way rick collins the steroid lawyer explained it made it sound like to possess with intent was the felony and it was controlled by the fda in a way that made doctors not be able to prescribe it for anything but very specific things it was intended to be used for . For example they can't prescribe it for healing after a surgery even though there are studies showing it will help speed recovery.
I feel like I want a lawyer to explain it to me in black and white because I feel like I can misinterpret writing. When it says" as part id the controll act the distribution and possession, with the intent to distribute. "
The wording seems to not mention simple personal possession.
Would that raise any red flags or anything to call a lawyer that you don't have on retainer and ask that question to? If you ask something that Makes it seem like you are going to commit a crime does that obligate them to give a heads up to someone. I know they can't say anything with attorney client privlage about things that you have already done but I don't know how the laws are about suspicion of a future crime.
Trenbolonetax
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Yeah I hear ya on the wording.
I’m inclined to believe that simple possession of rHGH versus possession of AAS is of lessor concern. I’ve not really looked into this in detail, though.
malfeasance
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Just being in possession of hgh - I am not even sure that it is a federal crime. I have not researched it carefully, but assuming no distribution, just personal use sort of possession, I am not aware of a federal crime.
On the state level, though, laws are different from state to state. Where I live, it is a crime to possess hgh. It is not as serious as something like testosterone, but it is a crime.
Your state may be different and may treat it more harshly or leniently or maybe not a crime at all.
ivandragovich
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For those who say postal inspectors don’t give a fuck…
cowboystatedaily.com
Granted both instances are cops and postal inspectors got a hard on for it… but still, especially the second article. Look how the postal inspector was able to make a connection.
Riverton Police Officer Faces Felony For Receiving Illegal Steroids
A Riverton police officer accused of receiving illegal steroids by mail was served with a felony charge Monday. Logan Alley allegedly told investigators…
cowboystatedaily.com
Granted both instances are cops and postal inspectors got a hard on for it… but still, especially the second article. Look how the postal inspector was able to make a connection.
readalot
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What a shame. Thanks for sharing this article Brother Ivan. Very good read. Never talk to the police or investigators. Ever. Invoke your right to counsel. Shut up.For those who say postal inspectors don’t give a fuck…
Riverton Police Officer Faces Felony For Receiving Illegal Steroids
A Riverton police officer accused of receiving illegal steroids by mail was served with a felony charge Monday. Logan Alley allegedly told investigators…
Granted both instances are cops and postal inspectors got a hard on for it… but still, especially the second article. Look how the postal inspector was able to make a connection.
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Ghoul
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For those who say postal inspectors don’t give a fuck…
Riverton Police Officer Faces Felony For Receiving Illegal Steroids
A Riverton police officer accused of receiving illegal steroids by mail was served with a felony charge Monday. Logan Alley allegedly told investigators…
Granted both instances are cops and postal inspectors got a hard on for it… but still, especially the second article. Look how the postal inspector was able to make a connection.
From the rare user quantity in the mail cases I've read about, it is postal inspectors that are the most likely to pursue, or pass on to eager small town cops.
Customs demonstrates thousands of times a year what a low priority AAS are, but god help you if it leaks at your local post office. Which also means "domestic" is little protection in that instance.
ivandragovich
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Correct. Also, the one cop from small Wyoming town of 10k population… the postal inspector was just going through the records and matched seized packages to the return address on a pack coming to the cops address. So on a rare occasion, a bored postal inspector in a small ass town is bad news as well.
Just shows ya, always a risk no matter how you spin it. Albeit small, but a risk.
Ghoul
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Still, when kingpins and lab operators get less time then a second offense dwi I'm not going to lose sleep over a few vials.
I seem to recall that female BB influencer, in Florida I think who had an AAS filled pack from Canada come to the attention of the feds, who couldn't be bothered, but the local yokels went full SWAT raid on her house.
The case literally disappeared from the public record. I can't say for sure, but that strongly suggests some kind of deferred adjudication and a dismissal.
I'd think such a nothing burger of an outcome would dissuade that department from wasting time on repeating the effort,
AAS simply aren't seen as the community destroying drugs nearly everything else in Sched 1-3 is. If anything, they're the "drug" of choice for productive, motivated, relatively well behaved people. More associated with virtue than vice.
Of course, the laws are on the books, and a few media hyped up cardiac deaths of "Tren Twins" inspired kids, or something blamed on "Roid rage" could change those priorities overnight.
ivandragovich
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All good points. That female bodybuilder was Melissa Bumstead. Sister of 6x Classic Physique Olympian, Chris Bumstead. I believe reason they went in on her because of such a big name figuring it would be good publicity. Bumstead has extremely big reach in the network of fitness and great lawyers on retainer (multiple businesses and major brand deals) so I’m under the suspicion that was all taken care of by those brands. Gymshark (multi-billion dollar company) has extremely close ties to Chris, I’m sure they didn’t want that bad publicity anywhere near the Bumstead name. It pays to be worth millions to someone else, sometimes.
You are right tho, it’s few and far between. I’m not losing sleep or suggest others do. Just something I always keep in mind. All decisions we live with, at the end of the day.
songsofpyramids
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You have to verbally declare your right to silence these days insanely. Some guy got convicted in a murder trial because he laughed during an interrogation where he said no words whatsoever. Silent but laughs. Went to the Supreme Court. They upheld that because he did not verbally declare his right to remain silent the interrogation was allowed to be used in court and was enough to convict him.
Invoke your right to silence and council, and stfu. There’s even cases where a guy simply saying his name was enough for a high level conviction. Literally nothing you say can help you without your lawyer present.
Ghoul
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With interrogation videos a major category of Youtube entertainment now, I think there will be fewer and fewer criminals and non-criminals saying anything but "I want a lawyer".
So many LE secrets getting spilled with the FOIA acquired videos. Now drug runners are well aware there's a centralized system of nationwide plate readers that feeds into a fed operated system that detects "suspicious travel patterns", and signals state troopers to make "pretextual stops" by riding cars asses until they find some trivial reason to stop them. I'm all for law and order but that's getting a little too dystopian for me.
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ineffectual
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Reading that has certainly given me some feelsFor those who say postal inspectors don’t give a fuck…
Riverton Police Officer Faces Felony For Receiving Illegal Steroids
A Riverton police officer accused of receiving illegal steroids by mail was served with a felony charge Monday. Logan Alley allegedly told investigators…
Granted both instances are cops and postal inspectors got a hard on for it… but still, especially the second article. Look how the postal inspector was able to make a connection.
Ghoul
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For all those wetting their pants over being the recipient of a personal use amount, if you're not selling (don't even give it away), if you're not manufacturing, if you're not on parole or probation this is what happens, worst case scenario:
"The plea agreement says that in exchange for Alley’s plea of guilty, the prosecutor, Fremont County Attorney Patrick LeBrun, will agree to 18 months of unsupervised probation and a deferral.
The deferral referenced is a provision for some first-time drug offenders and allows them to dodge a conviction if they complete certain requirements, like probation."
And this was a high profile, very public case, involving a police officer, where they have every incentive to "make an example". In fact, 18 months of probation seems much longer than the others I've seen, which rarely exceed 6 months. Note, it's "unsupervised probation". He just has to avoid committing new crimes. That's it. Doesn't even have to report to a parole officer by phone, nothing.
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readalot
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Hard pass. But thanks.
Life altering for many in certain positions.
Imagine if he had ordered some raws for a little home brewing fun.
But for people who have drug charges in the past and felonies. who have been out of trouble off probation or parole for years could still face jail time.
If it's your first offense doing even a felony battery will get differed and probation if you complete it successfully it will disappear but if you have a record even if you're not on probation or parole its probably still going to get some jail time or house arrest plus back on probation. Don't you think so?
Ghoul
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So is having a heart attack or getting hit by a bus, both of which have a higher probability of happening than this.
No one is suggesting volunteering for this (extraordinarily rare) outcome, just pointing out this is likely far less grave than what a lot of curtain peekers afraid to sign for a package imagine awaits them, realistically,
A DUI on your record would be worse than this.
readalot
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I feel bad for kids these days. The margin for error is considerably less. As always thanks for your thoughtful comments and analysis.
Ghoul
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I'll believe it when I see it, Something from this decade.
But if it makes things easier to swallow, I'll limit my comments to those without a prior criminal record, which is the case with the overwhelming majority of AAS users.
I knew for a fact the strictest judicial systems in the country, routinely give deferred adjudication to criminals with prior records, for minor possession cases, on condition they participate in treatment. And we're talking hard drugs, and serious previous convictions.
Again, of course this would suck, and have other knock on consequences, but how many fking times do we have to see outcomes like this to be convinced they're not "going for the throat" like they do for other substances?
Where are the imprisoned steroid users? Where are the guys getting out with their sad stories of being locked up for simple possession of a few vials?
An estimated 4 million steroid users in the US. Why are they ones who've had the hammer dropped on them so hard to find?
No, I'm not taking about dealers. The guy with a few convictions under his belt caught slinging steroids. (even then, how many are sitting in jail?), specifically users. ,
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