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Ghoul said:
I'll believe it when I see it, Something from this decade.

But if it makes things easier to swallow, I'll limit my comments to those without a prior criminal record, which is the case with the overwhelming majority of AAS users.

I knew for a fact the strictest judicial systems in the country, routinely give deferred adjudication to criminals with prior records, for minor possession cases, on condition they participate in treatment. And we're talking hard drugs, and serious previous convictions.

Again, of course this would suck, and have other knock on consequences, but how many fking times do we have to see outcomes like this to be convinced they're not "going for the throat" like they do for other substances?

Where are the imprisoned steroid users? Where are the guys getting out with their sad stories of being locked up for simple possession of a few vials?

An estimated 4 million steroid users in the US. Why are they ones who've had the hammer dropped on them so hard to find?

No, I'm not taking about dealers. The guy with a few convictions under his belt caught slinging steroids. (even then, how many are sitting in jail?), specifically users. ,
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Yeah for a first time offender it would be extremely surprising if they spent more than a weekend in a holding cell. Even for schedule 1 drugs like meth herion etc. Likely get a signature bond too. If you've never been in trouble.
 
Ghoul said:
From the rare user quantity in the mail cases I've read about, it is postal inspectors that are the most likely to pursue, or pass on to eager small town cops.

Customs demonstrates thousands of times a year what a low priority AAS are, but god help you if it leaks at your local post office. Which also means "domestic" is little protection in that instance.
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Customs for some unexplainable reason occasionally will deliver the evidence to local cops, too, of small personal orders. Most of the time they do not. I have no idea why in some very few cases they do but in almost every case they do nothing but send a love letter. The couple I know about were extremely minor, so it is not the amount that determines it.

Postal inspectors will present it to the US attorney for a federal case (postal inspectors enforce federal law). The US attorney will never be interested (I do not even know why they still do this. It must be written policy or something to present it there first). Then, when they are rebuffed, they will take it to the locals if they are in a location where state law treats Schedule III drugs seriously. Whether the locals take it up depends upon local culture, but there are lots of areas where the locals are eager to pursue one of these. Having talked to some of the locals who have handled cases like that, I have heard first hand how they believe that they are actually helping the person arrested, and they seemed sincere in that belief.
 
ivandragovich said:
For those who say postal inspectors don’t give a fuck…


cowboystatedaily.com

Riverton Police Officer Faces Felony For Receiving Illegal Steroids

A Riverton police officer accused of receiving illegal steroids by mail was served with a felony charge Monday. Logan Alley allegedly told investigators…
cowboystatedaily.com cowboystatedaily.com

Granted both instances are cops and postal inspectors got a hard on for it… but still, especially the second article. Look how the postal inspector was able to make a connection.
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You know about these because they are in the news.

They are in the news because the person who ordered steroids is a police officer.

Note that this happens lots and lots of times to non-police officers and usually never makes the news.

It is the fact that it is a police officer that makes it newsworthy.
 
malfeasance said:
You know about these because they are in the news.

They are in the news because the person who ordered steroids is a police officer.

Note that this happens lots and lots of times to non-police officers and usually never makes the news.

It is the fact that it is a police officer that makes it newsworthy.
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That's my question...the underreporting rate of regular AAS users busted for personal use in press? I would imagine it to be quite high and would take a little work for methodically estimate it.
 
readalot said:
That's my question...the underreporting rate of regular AAS users busted for personal use in press? I would imagine it to be quite high and would take a little work for methodically estimate it.
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I could not even guess.

I just know it happens a lot and never makes a news article. (from things I know that happen and I do not see reported).

Cop busted for steroids? Papers are going to print that.

Did you see the acne on his face? Did you notice that he had multiple packages seized? The reporting was a little unclear, but that is what it looked like to me. If I read it correctly, there were multiple contraband packages at that address seized with no criminal charges until this one.
 
malfeasance said:
You know about these because they are in the news.

They are in the news because the person who ordered steroids is a police officer.

Note that this happens lots and lots of times to non-police officers and usually never makes the news.

It is the fact that it is a police officer that makes it newsworthy.
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The federal government, and every state has publically accessible data containing court records. I search them, I read the cases.

Anyone claiming to "know something" needs to show evidence of these prosecutions and imprisonments.

4 million steroid users in the US, surely there should be at least a few hundred cases of users getting busted a year, right?

The idea that somehow, there are raids,, arrests, and prosecutions of AAS users that the publicity hungry authorities keep entirely out of the press, and more importantly, don't appear in court records, tells me they're full of shit. ESPECIALLY in light of how we see, after multi year, multi agency, MAJOR investigations they treat the "Top of the food chain", producers, distributors, with millions of dollars flowing through their operations, and the top guys get a couple of years and those below getting probation.

But yea, they're going to hunt you down over half a dozen vials of tren, and throw you in prison. Clearly that's a big priority.

All this BS about regular, non dealing, non criminal users being some kind of LE target is the "feels" equivalent of paranoia.

The only reason this cop got "prosecuted" (a slap on the wrist really) , is BECAUSE HE'S A COP, and there was evidence of dark web suppliers sending "other" things to him. Had he not been a cop, had there not been suspicion something more serious than AAS were being sent his way, nothing would've come of it. Notice it was handed off to his bosses. and not the feds who discovered it.

FFS, they have the names and addresses and evidence in hand of thousands of people getting raws every year, clear evidence of manufacturing, and they do nothing but send a letter telling them not to do it again, and making a little note in their system about it for future reference.

Do you think that's what they do when finding "raws" for drugs other than steroids? Hell no. ICE, DEA, or local LE would be at your door,
 
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Nota bene:


[I work in criminal law and I can tell you that the average misdemeanor drug possession charge ends up in thousands of dollars between attorney fees, fines, and court/probation costs. Plus you will probably lose your job unless you work at Burger King and they don’t care. And if you are incarcerated you will lose your housing I’m sure too, but you do gain free housing lol.]
 
readalot said:
Nota bene:


[I work in criminal law and I can tell you that the average misdemeanor drug possession charge ends up in thousands of dollars between attorney fees, fines, and court/probation costs. Plus you will probably lose your job unless you work at Burger King and they don’t care. And if you are incarcerated you will lose your housing I’m sure too, but you do gain free housing lol.]
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There’s no way there’s not an investigation if they’ve got multiple packages seized domestic with branded off market drugs in them. That’s too tantalizing for le. Throw in the cleanet marketplace (easier to seize and hack than email and where all your shipping information is stored) and advertising on social media and this has got to be the lowest hanging fruit on the steroid tree for le. Too easy a case and probably a grip of money to seize.
 
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Ghoul said:
The federal government, and every state has publically accessible data containing court records. I search them, I read the cases.

Anyone claiming to "know something" needs to show evidence of these prosecutions and imprisonments.

4 million steroid users in the US, surely there should be at least a few hundred cases of users getting busted a year, right?

The idea that somehow, there are raids,, arrests, and prosecutions of AAS users that the publicity hungry authorities keep entirely out of the press, and more importantly, don't appear in court records, tells me they're full of shit. ESPECIALLY in light of how we see, after multi year, multi agency, MAJOR investigations they treat the "Top of the food chain", producers, distributors, with millions of dollars flowing through their operations, and the top guys get a couple of years and those below getting probation.

But yea, they're going to hunt you down over half a dozen vials of tren, and throw you in prison. Clearly that's a big priority.

All this BS about regular, non dealing, non criminal users being some kind of LE target is the "feels" equivalent of paranoia.

The only reason this cop got "prosecuted" (a slap on the wrist really) , is BECAUSE HE'S A COP, and there was evidence of dark web suppliers sending "other" things to him. Had he not been a cop, had there not been suspicion something more serious than AAS were being sent his way, nothing would've come of it. Notice it was handed off to his bosses. and not the feds who discovered it.

FFS, they have the names and addresses and evidence in hand of thousands of people getting raws every year, clear evidence of manufacturing, and they do nothing but send a letter telling them not to do it again, and making a little note in their system about it for future reference.

Do you think that's what they do when finding "raws" for drugs other than steroids? Hell no. ICE, DEA, or local LE would be at your door,
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I don't know why you do this.

There are things I have seen with my own eyes. I do not have a link to a news story, because it does not exist.

There are things in which I have personally participated. Again, same thing. No news story.

Then you go on and on about "prison." Why are you pretending like this has not been discussed to death around here, including by me and you? No small personal possession cases are going to prison. Why pretend? That is a straw man argument you are making, a fallacy.

Do you just have a pathological need to chime in with a post taking an opposite side?

Lots of folks who are not cops get prosecuted for steroids. Period. It happens.
 
readalot said:
Nota bene:


[I work in criminal law and I can tell you that the average misdemeanor drug possession charge ends up in thousands of dollars between attorney fees, fines, and court/probation costs. Plus you will probably lose your job unless you work at Burger King and they don’t care. And if you are incarcerated you will lose your housing I’m sure too, but you do gain free housing lol.]
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LOL, wow. Why haven't they closed up shop and cleaned everything?
 
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