shamrockbear1
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Bickel thank you for verbalizing it for me. Im no wordsmith on forums but you get my drift...
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whodatnation
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Lab max works period . How do I know well I had ten bottles of Hercules test e and once lab max was available I tested side by side with astro gear and just to be safe tested both twice and the results were conclusive to the results.
Now the true test lies with mass spec and we know that but look at the discredited results that come with those also. I trust no source because the fact I don't trust the source of raw materials they all use..China!!!
It's proven time and time again that sources don't test every raw order as they may claim because if they did this mess would never happen .
I'll continue testing every thing I get and if you choose to blindly have faith in every source because so and so says it's the best thing since sliced bread then common sense is sadly missing from your intellectual properties.
Now the true test lies with mass spec and we know that but look at the discredited results that come with those also. I trust no source because the fact I don't trust the source of raw materials they all use..China!!!
It's proven time and time again that sources don't test every raw order as they may claim because if they did this mess would never happen .
I'll continue testing every thing I get and if you choose to blindly have faith in every source because so and so says it's the best thing since sliced bread then common sense is sadly missing from your intellectual properties.
Read my post old man! I said if it was between killing someone and turning bunk raws into money I would do the same thing most do- sell the bunk raws. Keep it moving. THATS WHY I DON'T SOURCE OR SELL DRUGS. THATS WHY I DON'T TRUST THESE PEOPLE- I WAS OF THE SAME MINDSET... FUCK IT, HET MONEY. Damn granite- I handled it like a man- by not letting a man tell me what to do. I made my own desicion in light of the fact others got the same treatment- someone has to say something. Sorry it made you upset that china sold karius bunk raws and I bought $500 worth of them. Not sure why you feel the need to dictate how problems should be handled, but trust that although you are a cool enough guy I can think for myself.
Honestly I thought people would understand I'm not trying to be hard (impossible with alp cialis!) But every time you motherfuckers get backed into a corner in an argument it turns into "I'm the new guy and I don't know how things work". Well- just pointing out I have been in this game on a face to face basis for the better part of two decades. Pick a new argument.
whodatnation
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Let's remember also the first to sling mud here!! It sure wasn't brutus with his simple wanting an answer. This got ugly from the nut hugging from people like IM claiming that alp was above any form of reproach and in no universal plane here or in the stars could've made a mistake. Come on bro for Fucking real? This is an illegitimate business operating without any regulations except for what he imposes himself and with such a large operation the thought there is to never be a mishap is down right retarded.
"Sorry it made you upset that china sold karius bunk raws and I bought $500 worth of them."
ALP claims they tested all raws. They obviously didn't if these orals are bunk. Maybe less than 1% of even top UG sources test all powders.
ALP claims they tested all raws. They obviously didn't if these orals are bunk. Maybe less than 1% of even top UG sources test all powders.
This a damn true statement.
I've had this discussion before. Most of these guys that brew in their basement and start a UGL don't have a clue or the resources to test even one batch of powder. Let alone every batch. I believe the top sources don't think they will ever get screwed by their supplier. Why, because they are a top source and NO china man/women would ever sell them bunk ass or underdosed powder. Therefore they don't test like they should.
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dper726
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Only problem is chinamen don't trust quality within the overall transaction. Money over everything.
whodatnation
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Off topic but love the avatar dp. Impressed by any one awake
Off topic but love the avatar dp. Impressed by any one awake
This situation involves bunk powders and the source of the topic used them (unknowingly but carelessly IMO) So, it's not really off topic.
whodatnation
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I have emailed the person I've corresponded with at DDL. The AAS testing appearing on Ecstasydata.org is at odds with what a DDL representative told me via email.
According to the reports on Ecstasydata.org, you apparently don't have to send in AAS samples as "unidentified". The last two AAS that they tested were explicitly listed as "sold as" oxandrolone.
"Submitter: sold as Oxandrolone, expected to be oxandrolone or stanozolol."
http://www.ecstasydata.org/view.php?id=3229
"Submitter: Sold as Biosira Xanavar (10mg oxandrolone). Expected to be oxandrolone or stanozolol."
http://www.ecstasydata.org/view.php?id=3193
I have asked for clarification. Assuming that their email statement was true, perhaps they stopped testing AAS very recently. Or maybe, they just don't want to test AAS but feel ethically compelled to do so when 100s of dollars in cash anonymously shows up in their mailbox without accurate return addresses.
dper726
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whodatnation
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Thank you Millard. I just don't understand how an illegal substance such as ecstasy can have a testing company to turn to but yet no one has stepped to the forefront for steroids. Am I wrong in assuming more consumers for steroids then ecstasy?
shamrockbear1
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Karius admitted on olm that he sent it in himself.. sooooo that being said you think he would send bunk? Also said he would some more in for testing also have to pay for the service...
Okay, I am in a hurry so I apologize if someone has already covered this, but I saw someone say that Karius has not addressed this here. He did - it was Sunday afternoon - go to the 1st page of this thread, click on Karius' name, and search his posts. But he definitely did post here after this started.
Second, I am not trying to preach to anyone, but we all would be best served if we can focus on the issues, and the substance of each post, and avoid attacking the person posting it. I am certainly not trying to discourage the passion of those posting, just encouraging a little more civility. A lot of new eyeballs on Meso because of this issue and who is involved.
Second, I am not trying to preach to anyone, but we all would be best served if we can focus on the issues, and the substance of each post, and avoid attacking the person posting it. I am certainly not trying to discourage the passion of those posting, just encouraging a little more civility. A lot of new eyeballs on Meso because of this issue and who is involved.
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I don't know his motivations.
whodatnation
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I agree with you bickel and regret some of my decisions to take part in the mud slinging. I find it very disheartening that members can be verbally assaulted and discredited via verbal attacks when the members in question have proved without a doubt that they have no motive except the truth.
This is a small glimpse into the battle that we are trying to wage here. It will be ugly and downright nasty but we the consumer finally are getting the tools to challenge the source who whether purposely or unwillingly (meaning failure to test raws ) has sold products not coming close to what they are labeled.
I'd love nothing more then to debate and keep that debate friendly . Sometimes the bully on the block needs to see he holds no power over you though
This is a small glimpse into the battle that we are trying to wage here. It will be ugly and downright nasty but we the consumer finally are getting the tools to challenge the source who whether purposely or unwillingly (meaning failure to test raws ) has sold products not coming close to what they are labeled.
I'd love nothing more then to debate and keep that debate friendly . Sometimes the bully on the block needs to see he holds no power over you though
johnnyBALLZ
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Yea, everyone put on your Sunday best, we have visitors!!!
I still haven't heard back from K, I'm going to email him tomorrow again..
Surgery went well, this is a lot more uncomfortable than I thought it would be.. Doc had someone take pics of all the shit laying on top of my chest after he took it out at my request.. I'm going to do a pic log at some point here..
Thanks for all the well wishes on the board and through PM guys..
EDIT: Again so there's no confusion, I had minor gyno way before I used K and was already planning on doing this surgery.. It did get a little worse over the past few months but he didn't cause this.
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Hope you get back to training as fast as possible.Yea, everyone put on your Sunday best, we have visitors!!!
I still haven't heard back from K, I'm going to email him tomorrow again..
Surgery went well, this is a lot more uncomfortable than I thought it would be.. Doc had someone take pics of all the shit laying on top of my chest after he took it out at my request.. I'm going to do a pic log at some point here..
Thanks for all the well wishes on the board and through PM guys..
EDIT: Again so there's no confusion, I had minor gyno way before I used K and was already planning on doing this surgery.. It did get a little worse over the past few months but he didn't cause this.
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