Karius - ALP / BAL Lists -

[muscle96ss]

What does it matter who did the test if the test is foulable? Think gents, think critically . There's a saying in the stock market ..''When everyone is running in , sit back and watch''

Because while the test is not perfect, it is much much more reliable than you are giving it credit for. Perhaps you should read the Labmax thread here and see the extensive testing that has been performed and with great accuracy. So if the tester is experienced and his tests have been proven over time to be reliable, then for him to be 0 for 5 on K's orals is possible but not very likely(especially when I have tested K's dbol before and it tested positive with Labmax for dbol, so obviously this batch is different). Graniteman - you know from AB that I think very highly of K and recommend him all the time but something somehow went wrong here. We will eventually get to the bottom of this but to dispute the test isn't a good place to start.

 

[TheGuy85]

Maybe K should drop his minimum order now that his quality or lack of has come into question. Maybe he should have a recall . He won't even respond to e-mails sent by somebody he beat out of hundreds of dollars.

 

[flenser]

Because while the test is not perfect, it is much much more reliable than you are giving it credit for. Perhaps you should read the Labmax thread here and see the extensive testing that has been performed and with great accuracy. So if the tester is experienced and his tests have been proven over time to be reliable, then for him to be 0 for 5 on K's orals is possible but not very likely(especially when I have tested K's dbol before and it tested positive with Labmax for dbol, so obviously this batch is different). Graniteman - you know from AB that I think very highly of K and recommend him all the time but something somehow went wrong here. We will eventually get to the bottom of this but to dispute the test isn't a good place to start.

Err, the dbol passed labmax. That is unless you are talking about different tests than the ones I did. Too much arguing here for me to follow the whole thread. The var and drol failed definitely. The nolva was less certain, but most likely a fail especially considering recent events.

 

[brutus79]

The var was opened and counted... 2 were removed for labmax and more were being removed for mass spec so as the pack was opened again the qty seemed way off. I ordered 50 per pack, the pack says 50 anavar and lo and behold there were 98. Flawless qty control. Am I to assume (if they were real) that the additional 50 were a gift? Or were the tabs half strength and I was supposed to figure it out? Pathetic.

 

[shamrockbear1]

Maybe K should drop his minimum order now that his quality or lack of has come into question. Maybe he should have a recall . He won't even respond to e-mails sent by somebody he beat out of hundreds of dollars.

Poor customer service like I said before he's got attitude towards customers ...

 

[showstoppa]

Poor customer service like I said before he's got attitude towards customers ...

Really truthfully what he did to you is.not poor customer service, its his rules, if you dont like it look elsewhere.

The var was opened and counted... 2 were removed for labmax and more were being removed for mass spec so as the pack was opened again the qty seemed way off. I ordered 50 per pack, the pack says 50 anavar and lo and behold there were 98. Flawless qty control. Am I to assume (if they were real) that the additional 50 were a gift? Or were the tabs half strength and I was supposed to figure it out? Pathetic.

Brutus k is notorious for sending more to customers then what they ordered. Are you really complaining over getting more then you paid for? Seriously now you seem like you are just looking for things to bitch about. Bitch all you want over legit issues but the above is not an issue.

 

[swolewishes]

So are the problems exclusive to oral or have any oils been called into question?

 

[bickel29]

Really truthfully what he did to you is.not poor customer service, its his rules, if you dont like it look elsewhere.

Shamrock, I am with stoppa on this one man. I think you are taking it personally because it was done to you, but the truth is, K has rules for ordering and he sticks to those rules. K enforced his rules on you and it pissed you off, but the truth is he would have done the same thing to me or stoppa or whoever. It's not personal, it's business, Karius' business, and that's how he does things.

I have never ordered from K, but I have thoroughly read through his rules over on OLM. He states what his rules are and makes it clear that you MUST follow them.

I think if you can remove your emotions from this, and just look at it from a business POV, you'd see it a little differently.

One thing I think we are all guilty of is expecting the same treatment from all sources. If you are K or Mikestrong or Naps, etc, you already have enough business, and you can afford to push customers out. The MFL's and Titan's and other new sources are desperate for new customers, they'll polish your knob and even say "mmmm" as it goes down, and tell you that you were the biggest and best they ever had to keep you coming back (we've all known girls like that, haha). Not saying it's cool, but it's reality in this world.

 

[brutus79]

Really truthfully what he did to you is.not poor customer service, its his rules, if you dont like it look elsewhere.



Brutus k is notorious for sending more to customers then what they ordered. Are you really complaining over getting more then you paid for? Seriously now you seem like you are just looking for things to bitch about. Bitch all you want over legit issues but the above is not an issue.

Sending extra? Not an issue. If my mass spec comes back and they are 10's instead of 20's and that's why I was given double, is that an issue? I think it certainly is. When quality seems to have been absent for the majority of my order and then I find counts are off too- it does raise suspicions in my opinion. I want what it is labeled to be. I want nolva, not nolva with dbol or just dbol- just nolva. I want anadrol, not sugar pills. When I find 100 in a bag marked fifty I just feel it is further instances of mislabeling and/or incompetence.

I think I can get along just fine without being advised what to "complain" about. I was simply bringing what I percieve to be further quality control issues to light.

 

[devildog93]

So the source gets to make all the rules, lol. I'm sure that is in our best interest. You have to be fucking kidding me. No source is bigger than the game. Sure he might be in a comfortable spot and be able to afford losing customers, but just like any other business it will provide a gap for someone else to fill. No one is too important to conduct business in a professional matter.

 

[muscle96ss]

So the source gets to make all the rules, lol. I'm sure that is in our best interest. You have to be fucking kidding me. No source is bigger than the game. Sure he might be in a comfortable spot and be able to afford losing customers, but just like any other business it will provide a gap for someone else to fill. No one is too important to conduct business in a professional matter.

When it comes to safety you had better believe the source is going to make the rules. There is a reason why funds must be sent within a 48 hour timeframe. If you don't like the sources rules you don't have to order from them. In fact in the e-mail you send K to place your order you must actually write, "I'm ready to send funds within 48 hours and wait up to 2 days for details.". Its clearly stated in the ordering instructions, so its not like this was some surprise.

 

[alphastrength50]

lets stick to the point k sent bunk gear and needs to fix it. why are you complaining about his protocols when thats the reason why hes been safe in the game for so long?

 

[devildog93]

I wasn't complaining about the protocols at all. Security is always a concern. Not handing out exactly what was ordered is a concern, and one that doesn't seem very important to most of the sources. Sending out gear that even fails labmax tests is most definitely a concern. But hey, if i can't trust the supplier to send me the ordered product at least he'll get his funds on time.

 

[graniteman]

Because while the test is not perfect, it is much much more reliable than you are giving it credit for. Perhaps you should read the Labmax thread here and see the extensive testing that has been performed and with great accuracy. So if the tester is experienced and his tests have been proven over time to be reliable, then for him to be 0 for 5 on K's orals is possible but not very likely(especially when I have tested K's dbol before and it tested positive with Labmax for dbol, so obviously this batch is different). Graniteman - you know from AB that I think very highly of K and recommend him all the time but something somehow went wrong here. We will eventually get to the bottom of this but to dispute the test isn't a good place to start.

muscle, I've never said Brutus didn't get bad gear or good gear. I find it highly unlikey but not impossible 5 for 5 are bunk. I've never put stock in labmax and still don't, you know that from AB. These tests are not new like some think, they've neen around for years now, wonder why LE isn't adopting them? I know 1 station has , one. I don't get why you guys do but hey , it's a big world out there.
You all have a Professional unbiased 3rd party mass spec tester available but you guys keep pushing labmax? Strange seeing all the problems, cross contamination, inability to distinguish colors, same colors for different compounds..different shades?
If this would have been sent to this spot it would have carried a whole lot more weight than a ''self proclaimed labmax expert''.
Anyways this is like pissin against the wind, seems you guys are more interested in having a crisis of the moment than solving issues

 

[bickel29]

So the source gets to make all the rules, lol. I'm sure that is in our best interest. You have to be fucking kidding me. No source is bigger than the game. Sure he might be in a comfortable spot and be able to afford losing customers, but just like any other business it will provide a gap for someone else to fill. No one is too important to conduct business in a professional matter.

When it comes to ordering instructions and how the transaction will be conducted - yes, the source definitely makes the rules. We either agree to follow them, or find somewhere else to order.

 

[enjoy_tren]

lets stick to the point k sent bunk gear and needs to fix it. why are you complaining about his protocols when thats the reason why hes been safe in the game for so long?

Its called due process. Theres no real proof he sent bunk gear.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Same thing, I never said you were lying or didnt get bunk shit. I'm just telling you how shits handled on adult boards. If you plan on living like this the rest of your life , carry on Brotha. For your name sake I hope you're right because if no one else complains and things get tested out as legit it's going to be hard for you to come back from. I think you've already started to realize that. Maybe you guys are so used to scamming this is your natural reaction , like I said it doesnt fly on most forums. If you take a problem like this to a good guy like ALP or Mike, he will make it right and pull the items in question, shit happens. How in the blue fuck do you think they've been around longer than most of you are alive?
. Fuck sake even Pfizer and Merck recall products ya fuckin knotheads. Its how you handle yourself Brutus that matters. Like I said I think you already know this

How was it handled wrong again? Brutus posted something on this thread that there's a problem after someone bumped the thread.. We emailed K (still no response) and dick riders started blowing this up across the boards..

Trust me, no one here gives a shit how YOU, the mighty graniteman thought it should've been handled.. Why are you still harping on this?

muscle, I've never said Brutus didn't get bad gear or good gear. I find it highly unlikey but not impossible 5 for 5 are bunk. I've never put stock in labmax and still don't, you know that from AB. These tests are not new like some think, they've neen around for years now, wonder why LE isn't adopting them? I know 1 station has , one. I don't get why you guys do but hey , it's a big world out there.
You all have a Professional unbiased 3rd party mass spec tester available but you guys keep pushing labmax? Strange seeing all the problems, cross contamination, inability to distinguish colors, same colors for different compounds..different shades?
If this would have been sent to this spot it would have carried a whole lot more weight than a ''self proclaimed labmax expert''.
Anyways this is like pissin against the wind, seems you guys are more interested in having a crisis of the moment than solving issues

He's not a "self proclaimed labmax expert" you condescending prick.. WE call him the expert as he's done hundreds of these tests..

Crisis? The only ones making this a big deal are you and IM.. And even IM has stopped at this point!!

You're either a senile geriatric that forgot about the PM you wrote that K's Cialis is inconsistent or just a liar.. Either way you can keep your advice on this one hoss unless you want to give me my money back.

 

[brutus79]

muscle, I've never said Brutus didn't get bad gear or good gear. I find it highly unlikey but not impossible 5 for 5 are bunk. I've never put stock in labmax and still don't, you know that from AB. These tests are not new like some think, they've neen around for years now, wonder why LE isn't adopting them? I know 1 station has , one. I don't get why you guys do but hey , it's a big world out there.
You all have a Professional unbiased 3rd party mass spec tester available but you guys keep pushing labmax? Strange seeing all the problems, cross contamination, inability to distinguish colors, same colors for different compounds..different shades?
If this would have been sent to this spot it would have carried a whole lot more weight than a ''self proclaimed labmax expert''.
Anyways this is like pissin against the wind, seems you guys are more interested in having a crisis of the moment than solving issues

Granite, granite, granite. Nobodt is "pushing" labmax. The compounds were tested by a couple people running them and nothing happened- thats when I knew I had dogshit because I ran the same stuff before and immediately after and I was not "immune" or victim of a "shitty diet". Labmax was the next step. It is simply a tool to further confirm what I personally already knew. Not definitive; just more evidence. Now I am mass spec bound and results will be next month.

In the meantime karius sent pills from a different batch to be tested which definitively proves he gets good compounds sometimes. It has notging to do with my issue, but I am still sure you and IM will run around with pom poms giving us a big "A-L-P!!!!!" but one batch has nothing to do with another. I would think karius would want me send my pills of to be tested, but he must not want the results from the batch in question. Strange. I wouldn't trust the results anyway, so I am sending off to a lab myself.

You have an issue with how I handled it- why are you STILL eunning board to board defwnding karius and slandering me? Even Italian has stated his piece and moved on. You obviously have more problems with this than you claim to; or you are severely overreacting to something that really affects you in no way.

You badmouth the people on Meso on other boards... yet here you are. Classing the place up for us?

 

[mmmiron]

This thread is intense. IMO the issue has been stated and there's really nothing else to discuss until K communicates back or the mass specs are received. No source can ever have 100% QC and we should always do our due diligence. As for the issues about protocols people we are involved in an illegal world. Safety is always first.

 

[bickel29]

This thread is intense. IMO the issue has been stated and there's really nothing else to discuss until K communicates back or the mass specs are received. No source can ever have 100% QC and we should always do our due diligence. As for the issues about protocols people we are involved in an illegal world. Safety is always first.

I guess the point some of us are making about the protocols is that whether they make sense or not, the protocols are set by each source, and as consumers we get to decide whether or not to do business with that source.

Show me a source that has lasted a decade, and I'll show you a source whose protocols I trust more than the less established ugl's who take the path of less resistance (because they are more in need of pleasing the customer).
If your protocols have helped you survive Gear Grinder, ORD, etc - and you have avoided being taken down for a decade - I feel safer following your protocols.

Again, a choice each of us have.