Karius - ALP / BAL Lists -

[graniteman]

Of course, it is the way to go if the goal is to promote consumer awareness. There is absolutely no question.

It's the classic management vs. consumer approach. One way works entirely in the favor of management; the other way, not so much. But the other way works entirely in the favor of consumers as a group.

Take your ''cockroach in the food'' sceanario Millard. A guy goes into the restaurant not wanting to pay for his meal, great way to get a free meal, cry cockroach in the meal. Not saying these guys are but you HAVE to realize and understand when dealing with people there are many dbags mixed in with decent guys. So if a guy was to take every guys ''claim'' as ''proof'' he wouldn't be long in the biz.

For the record ecstasy.org won't show concentration, no legal lab in the USA will, it's illegal to, but they will identify all the compounds in your sample. Mnay of the results show multiple compounds in them.
And to date not one other complaint on the other forums?

 

[graniteman]

After all this I hope to see mass spec results.
No suprise if its underdosed or completly bogus considering the quality of raw at the time. Only one way to know.

Kind of odd they have ducked ecstasy.org from the very beginning isn't it? A simple and impartial 3rd party way to put this to rest. After vall..very simple, Brutus claimed the nolva was dbol if I remember correctly? .

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Take your ''cockroach in the food'' sceanario Millard. A guy goes into the restaurant not wanting to pay for his meal, great way to get a free meal, cry cockroach in the meal. Not saying these guys are but you HAVE to realize and understand when dealing with people there are many dbags mixed in with decent guys. So if a guy was to take every guys ''claim'' as ''proof'' he wouldn't be long in the biz.

For the record ecstasy.org won't show concentration, no legal lab in the USA will, it's illegal to, but they will identify all the compounds in your sample. Mnay of the results show multiple compounds in them.
And to date not one other complaint on the other forums?

Thats what Im saying. Brutus made a claim the ALP nolvadex was actually dbol. Ecstasydata.org will prove if this is the case or not. They break down the pills, and give ratios of whats in them. Whats the harm in doing that? That way we can get to the bottom of these false accusations. We dont need to know the milligrams in this case, just if the nolva was actually nolva.
But he wont send them in. He is too scared too. Because he knows if it comes back as its suppose to come back, he will look like a fucking fool, and then everyone will be kissing my ass and gmans ass AGAIN!!

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Kind of odd they have ducked ecstasy.org from the very beginning isn't it? A simple and impartial 3rd party way to put this to rest. After vall..very simple, Brutus claimed the nolva was dbol if I remember correctly? .

Thats the only pill I want them to send in to ecstasydata.org. But I am sure they will actually send an ALP dbol tab to them and say it was sold as Nolvadex so again, its a no win situation..

 

[devildog93]

Ecstasydata.org is shit for the purposes we are looking for. They don't tell you purity. Many sources have "something" in the product, just not the amount they should have. Bloodwork is better evidence than estasydata.org in my opinion. I

 

[muscle96ss]

Ecstasydata.org is shit for the purposes we are looking for. They don't tell you purity. Many sources have "something" in the product, just not the amount they should have. Bloodwork is better evidence than estasydata.org in my opinion. I

But it would show that the nolvadex tab did not contain nolva and did contain dbol as well as would show us the tab so we know it has not been tampered with. Judgeing from the responses across the boards, people are skeptical to believe that 4 different tabs all contained something other than they should. By having an independent source verify this tab, that would be enough evidence to convince many that the claims being made are legit.

 

[graniteman]

Thats the only pill I want them to send in to ecstasydata.org. But I am sure they will actually send an ALP dbol tab to them and say it was sold as Nolvadex so again, its a no win situation..

I'm just puzzled how NO ONE else has come forward, not one other complaint? How could this be, did Brutus get a ''special batch'' just for him?
He won't send them in because they show photos of items tested and al lthese guys saying ''it doesn't work for our purposes'' obviously just dont get the whole point.

 

[graniteman]

But it would show that the nolvadex tab did not contain nolva and did contain dbol as well as would show us the tab so we know it has not been tampered with. Judgeing from the responses across the boards, people are skeptical to believe that 4 different tabs all contained something other than they should. By having an independent source verify this tab, that would be enough evidence to convince many that the claims being made are legit.

For the record, brutus is now changing the story to ''Dbol contaminated Nolva''. Seems to be morphing the story as it collapses around him

 

[tipdog]

I'm just puzzled how NO ONE else has come forward, not one other complaint? How could this be, did Brutus get a ''special batch'' just for him?
He won't send them in because they show photos of items tested and al lthese guys saying ''it doesn't work for our purposes'' obviously just dont get the whole point.

Considering this is how they would be treated, I'm not the least bit surprised nobody has come forward.

 

[graniteman]

Considering this is how they would be treated, I'm not the least bit surprised nobody has come forward.

Well, most men handle their business respectfully and properly. This usually ends up with them receiving much needed support from others. The ''Meso'' method will work here and I can pretty much guarantee you it won't be tolerated on any other forums

 

[devildog93]

Again, why would we give a shit about other boards? This board has the traffic and isn't sucking source balls.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I'm just puzzled how NO ONE else has come forward, not one other complaint?

I'm just puzzled as to how can even look at yourself in the mirror - you know, being the world's biggest dick rider and all. If I had to be a dick rider like you - just to get by in life - I would have pulled the hammer back long ago. Fucking pathetic excuse for a man.

 

[brutus79]

Take your ''cockroach in the food'' sceanario Millard. A guy goes into the restaurant not wanting to pay for his meal, great way to get a free meal, cry cockroach in the meal. Not saying these guys are but you HAVE to realize and understand when dealing with people there are many dbags mixed in with decent guys. So if a guy was to take every guys ''claim'' as ''proof'' he wouldn't be long in the biz.

For the record ecstasy.org won't show concentration, no legal lab in the USA will, it's illegal to, but they will identify all the compounds in your sample. Mnay of the results show multiple compounds in them.
And to date not one other complaint on the other forums?

You are the cockroach in the food you backstabbing piece of shit. You said you had bad cialis mixed in with good ones from alp; when k whipped his dick out you said it was 100% the best around your mouthful of cock.

It wasn't "claim" and "proof". The word Millard used was "evidence" and made it clear there is good and bad evidence.

"Proof" is the pm I have where you said you had bad cialis from alp you lying sack of shit. Shut your fucking mouth while people converse that actually have brains capable of deductive reasoning speak to each other before we roll the window up on the short bus you are buckled in on.

 

[theexperiment]

Again, why would we give a shit about other boards? This board has the traffic and isn't sucking source balls.

AB doesn't have members who suck the sources balls. There has been plenty of times where the sources have been called out or questioned, and guess what, it never gets deleted or edited. The mods there do a fantastic job at letting everyone have free speech. AB is all for testing products through mass spec, blood work, etc and even the suppliers such as DFL and ALP support it and encourage it. DFL recently got fucked over by his raw supplier on Test E and has corrected the situation. This bunk batch of Test E was found out by doing blood work.

As for ALP, every product of his that I have tried has been excellent. He made a mistake once and sent me the wrong product. I offered to show him proof and to even send the product back and he told me to keep the extras and he didn't even ask for the proof and corrected the order. I didn't go and blast him on the message boards, but I handled it the way things should be handled and this was done through PM's. Karius takes pride in his work and will not screw someone over. He hasn't been in the game over 10 years by fucking people over (even though Brutus and jb tends to think he did). If the current situation was handled the correct way and not by just blasting off at the mouth, then none of this arguing back and forth would be happening and jb and brutus would have probably been offered replacement products.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

AB doesn't have members who suck the sources balls. There has been plenty of times where the sources have been called out or questioned, and guess what, it never gets deleted or edited. The mods there do a fantastic job at letting everyone have free speech. AB is all for testing products through mass spec, blood work, etc and even the suppliers such as DFL and ALP support it and encourage it. DFL recently got fucked over by his raw supplier on Test E and has corrected the situation. This bunk batch of Test E was found out by doing blood work.

As for ALP, every product of his that I have tried has been excellent. He made a mistake once and sent me the wrong product. I offered to show him proof and to even send the product back and he told me to keep the extras and he didn't even ask for the proof and corrected the order. I didn't go and blast him on the message boards, but I handled it the way things should be handled and this was done through PM's. Karius takes pride in his work and will not screw someone over. He hasn't been in the game over 10 years by fucking people over (even though Brutus and jb tends to think he did). If the current situation was handled the correct way and not by just blasting off at the mouth, then none of this arguing back and forth would be happening and jb and brutus would have probably been offered replacement products.

And then no one would know about the problem..

A common theme with AB members is to handle things privately.. I do not think negative posts are deleted there but what you're saying is a recurring message most from AB are saying..

I never meant to be disrespectful but I disagree with the way people are encouraged to handle things there.

 

[theexperiment]

And no one would know about the problem..

If you alert the problem to the supplier, then it can be fixed. As in DFL's case, he threw away his current stock of Test E made with the bad batch and brewed up a new one with the new raws and they have tested out to be good. Things happen, both on the suppliers end and the buyers. It's the actions that are took that determine how things work out. Respect and courtesy go both ways. DFL also told the guy who had bad blood work levels to post the results. No scamming or crappy/newbie sponsor would do that because it damages their business. DFL took the punch on the chin and did the correct thing and fixed the issue. He also sent everyone replacements for their bunk Test E, even if they didn't have blood work or proof.

As for ALP, he once had a bad batch of Arimidex I do believe. Some members complained through PM and even posted their feelings in his thread and showed blood work, and he took the product off the shelves, replaced the raws, and sent out corrected products to all those who bought the bad batch from him.

Even the best suppliers sometimes get the short end of the stick. It has always happened and will continue to happen. Both sides need to understand this and work on the issues when they happen and fix them.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Take your ''cockroach in the food'' sceanario Millard. A guy goes into the restaurant not wanting to pay for his meal, great way to get a free meal, cry cockroach in the meal. Not saying these guys are but you HAVE to realize and understand when dealing with people there are many dbags mixed in with decent guys. So if a guy was to take every guys ''claim'' as ''proof'' he wouldn't be long in the biz.

LMFAO Now you're trying to engage Millard in a debate? Don't waste your time, Granite. You're so outclassed he'll will mop the floor with you.

How come you're still here, anyway? Since you said Meso's members were "roaches," anyone with any sense would know enough to stay away... Oh, wait... forgot who I was talking to for a second.

Go back to doing what you do best, Granite: engaging in homosexual fantasies about Turbo's "cawk" in TID's shout box.

http://www.outlawmuscle.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1935940&postcount=1473

IM..look above you..another Meso roach....

 

[pmac928]

It doesn't matter what IM or GM say. They have zero credibility here with members like myself. I don't give a fuck how other boards work or who sucks who's cock(but we all now who takes it in the ass)so keep blabbing away cause it's all bullshit!

 

[brutus79]

If you alert the problem to the supplier, then it can be fixed. As in DFL's case, he threw away his current stock of Test E made with the bad batch and brewed up a new one with the new raws and they have tested out to be good. Things happen, both on the suppliers end and the buyers. It's the actions that are took that determine how things work out. Respect and courtesy go both ways. DFL also told the guy who had bad blood work levels to post the results. No scamming or crappy/newbie sponsor would do that because it damages their business. DFL took the punch on the chin and did the correct thing and fixed the issue. He also sent everyone replacements for their bunk Test E, even if they didn't have blood work or proof.

As for ALP, he once had a bad batch of Arimidex I do believe. Some members complained through PM and even posted their feelings in his thread and showed blood work, and he took the product off the shelves, replaced the raws, and sent out corrected products to all those who bought the bad batch from him.

Even the best suppliers sometimes get the short end of the stick. It has always happened and will continue to happen. Both sides need to understand this and work on the issues when they happen and fix them.

Even posted their feelngs in the thread? That's what we did. I never thought this was a scam - but im and gman are sure some guys I want on my side if I run one. Their behavior has been over the top to say the least.

Theexperiment- I thoroughly enjoy your posts at ab. You are extremely knowledgeable and well written- as is evidenced by your post here. Had I been approached after "posting my feelings in the thread" in this sort of manner- as regular and muscle96 have done I would have eliminated a lot of the "rebutting" that has incinerated multiple threads on multiple boards. Instead those two went the attacking my integrity route- and you have what we have here.

Testing will be done. It will be largely ignored and refuted by those not in my "camp" unless it shows I am wrong. It is what it is.

 

[brutus79]

AB doesn't have members who suck the sources balls. There has been plenty of times where the sources have been called out or questioned, and guess what, it never gets deleted or edited. The mods there do a fantastic job at letting everyone have free speech. AB is all for testing products through mass spec, blood work, etc and even the suppliers such as DFL and ALP support it and encourage it. DFL recently got fucked over by his raw supplier on Test E and has corrected the situation. This bunk batch of Test E was found out by doing blood work.

As for ALP, every product of his that I have tried has been excellent. He made a mistake once and sent me the wrong product. I offered to show him proof and to even send the product back and he told me to keep the extras and he didn't even ask for the proof and corrected the order. I didn't go and blast him on the message boards, but I handled it the way things should be handled and this was done through PM's. Karius takes pride in his work and will not screw someone over. He hasn't been in the game over 10 years by fucking people over (even though Brutus and jb tends to think he did). If the current situation was handled the correct way and not by just blasting off at the mouth, then none of this arguing back and forth would be happening and jb and brutus would have probably been offered replacement products.

I honestly think there is a piece of shit mixer involved. .. when the raws are mixed with filler somebody was asleep at the switch and I had the misfortune of getting filler and someone else gets overdosed orals. Awesome. I get to be the one crucified for getting a bad part of a batch.