Karius - ALP / BAL Lists -

[regular]

I NEVER said that and didn't retract anything!! Show me the post.. Brutus said his friend's PCT ended in gyno surgery which is true but the surgery was already planned.. I thought that was misleading and I clarified by saying I already had gyno and K's nolva did not help keep it down before surgery and it got a little worse..

The "honest review" is quoted below.

Labmax was done after 200 mg a day anadrol no effect, 4 cialis chewed no effect and a friends pct is ending in gyno surgery.

There isn't a percentage.. All ecstasy data can confirm is a small percentage of the compound is present.. K thinks him sending in a cialis tab will silent everyone like it did when his var failed labmax while ago..

There isn't a credible verifiable test which offers concentration data.

As for snide comments there are at least a half dozen in your last post regular.. To be clear, since you also said this multiple times, K never offered a refund and didn't contact either of us except to tell brutus we need to email him.. You told us K would be in contact and he never did.. Why are you fabricating the story and taking this tone?

Quote one

I didn't fabricate anything. You guys said you you were being ignored by K, so I contacted him for you. I said you guys were interested in a refund and were requesting that K fund the tests you wanted to do. He said he would refund you guys but wouldn't pay for the tests because you were impolite and that he didn't respond to your original email because it contained attachments. You guys refused the refund he offered. I have no idea if you guys ever spoke. I don't need to relay all of your communications.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

The "honest review" is quoted below.





There isn't a credible verifiable test which offers concentration data.



Quote one

I didn't fabricate anything. You guys said you you were being ignored by K, so I contacted him for you. I said you guys were interested in a refund and were requesting that K fund the tests you wanted to do. He said he would refund you guys but wouldn't pay for the tests because you were impolite and that he didn't respond to your original email because it contained attachments. You guys refused the refund he offered. I have no idea if you guys ever spoke. I don't need to relay all of your communications.

No you don't.. But we didn't speak after you said he'd finally be in contact after so many weeks ... I reread your post again regular.. There wasn't that much of a tone so I'll take that one back.. I got a little hot when you said I retracted my statement which I obviously didn't as you didn't reply to that part.. I care about my word even if this is just on the internet.. I won't take the refund because that wasn't the goal and I won't give the naysayers the satisfaction.. People were made aware and though you may disagree that's what meso is for..

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

The "honest review" is quoted below.





There isn't a credible verifiable test which offers concentration data.



Quote one

I didn't fabricate anything. You guys said you you were being ignored by K, so I contacted him for you. I said you guys were interested in a refund and were requesting that K fund the tests you wanted to do. He said he would refund you guys but wouldn't pay for the tests because you were impolite and that he didn't respond to your original email because it contained attachments. You guys refused the refund he offered. I have no idea if you guys ever spoke. I don't need to relay all of your communications.

Also a tad misleading.. I told you in PM I'd pay for the tests and if they were bad THEN I would accept a refund of the products and the tests.. That was a no go with K I guess as I'm just hearing for the first time now that he wouldn't do that because we were "impolite".. He never offered anything, through you or otherwise..

Regardless it's done and K handled it like shit.. Could've done a better job on my end perhaps but I'm the guy with the bad product and he has my money.. So boo-hoo for K..

 

[brutus79]

Wow- just, wow. I have never in my life heard more examples of expectations that run completely counter to every business model in the mordern world. You know @regular , when I stay at the ritz carlton and they overbook and I throw an absolute shitfit because I paid for a view of the statue of liberty and the room barely overlooks the river I get a little terse. I may say things in anger. Do they unveil their IT room and bring me to a man who recorded everything I said in my anger and pick apart all of my statements? Do they threaten to not provide further anemities to other future patrons because of my indiscretions in a moment of anger? Apparently those threats of not helping with future scammers because of a couple meso members- and your blow by blow commentary on what you feel were "insulting" to your employer is what is missing in the ritz carlton white glove treatment?

So we are engaged in illegal commerce so the rules are the customer is NEVER right, and if the customer actually becomes angered or acts in any impolite manner no matter how bad they were screwed they, according to you, deserve a different level of service than those who bend over and spread their cheeks. That is another practice I never put in to play in any corporation I have participated in. It seems really groundbreaking! "If the customer gets disrespectful or angers the mighty employees of your business make sure and treat them like shit from the Ceo to the overqualified mod.... er maitre d.

I have a difficult time being pokite to someone I feel doesn't have any respect for me, and you have gone above and betond to drive home that is most important that you and your employer are "right" and I am "wrong". It very clearly has nothing to do with anything other than that or you wouldn't be here doing lengthy public relation diatribes in this thread, yet here you are proving us wrong again. Good job. I hope you get a raise or whatever.

I personally don't fucking care about your rebuttals to this post or your condescending tone while you do it- but it seems you have a burning desire to leave no stone unturned- no public correspondence unanswered until you feel everyone has been provided with enough evidence of how right you are. Congratulations ahead of time.

 

[mands]

So when are you guys posting up the results of the five products in question?

mands

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

So when are you guys posting up the results of the five products in question?

mands

Labmax was already posted by flenser.. Still working on MS, mands..

 

[mands]

Just PM'ed you JB! Ignore it.

mands

 

[regular]

No you don't.. But we didn't speak after you said he'd finally be in contact after so many weeks ... I reread your post again regular.. There wasn't that much of a tone so I'll take that one back.. I got a little hot when you said I retracted my statement.. I care about my word even if this is just on the internet.. I won't talk the refund because that wasn't the goal and I won't give the naysayers the satisfaction.. People were made aware and though you may disagree that's what meso is for..

K told me he was going to email you. I have no idea if he did or not. I asked you guys to let me know what was going on, but since you didn't want a refund, I figured you didn't care to speak to him and I never checked back in.

Please re-read my post and think it over. I'm not against you guys saying that you didn't like the product you received. I'm not against you posting feedback here or at AB. It's everything else that was posted that is the problem. As far as I knew, I was on good terms with you, Brutus, and CBS. Maybe Brutus didn't realize I was staff there but Brutus went over to AB and said the staff would ban him for leaving poor feedback. Basically saying I'm a scammer protector. Statements like that aren't going to lend credibility to your argument. I feel like he was pissed about his order, got wound up by IM, and went off.

I've tried to help you guys here and I haven't lied to you about anything. I'm not against you guys leaving feedback or testing the products. If I thought IM worked for K, I would say so. If there was a verifiable test that could give you concentration data, I would encourage you to use it instead of estacydata. This is not some kind of shell game intended to make you look bad or discredit you. From the beginning, I've said you guys could be correct but I would expect other complaints if you were. I even said that if you were wrong I would try to calm everyone down.

I understand that you guys are trying to grow as leaders but you're not going to grow without giving people the respect that you want in return. I'm not saying to kiss ass, lie, or conceal your feedback either. I'm saying stick to the feedback and don't personally attack people.

Also a tad misleading.. I told you in PM I'd pay for the tests and if they were bad THEN I would accept a refund of the products and the tests.. That was a no go with K I guess as I'm just hearing for the first time now that he wouldn't do that because we were "impolite".. He never offered anything, through you or otherwise..


Regardless it's done and K handled it like shit.. Could've done a better job on my end perhaps but I'm the guy with the bad product and he has my money.. So boo-hoo for K..

With regard to the refund, you're right, I was confused. I thought you wanted a refund and wanted K to cover the cost of the tests up front, that's what I requested on the 17th of last month. On the 22nd he responded that he would issue a refund but didn't want to fund the tests. If the complaint were handled graciously he would have paid for the tests though. He offered to pay for me to test the products but there is no point because people will just think the results are some kind of conspiracy.

It looks like I made a mistake in the way I requested your refund. You were offered a refund on the 22nd, check your PM. I'm assuming that you guys never contacted each other, which is why nothing went anywhere. You guys need to talk to each other and not rely on me to play telephone. I am apparently not doing a very good job relaying information between you.

He may approve paying for the tests if the outcome is poor, I have no idea. Again, please talk to him directly.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Yea, ecstasydata pretty much sucks. We know there is cialis in it, but not what %. About the same thing a labmax would have told us. Then again, it's cialis, so not something i even care about. I am still waiting on real data on the tabs that were called into question.

Mass spec done by ecstasydata.org is way more credible then labmax. Ill bet money flesner isnt even doing the labmax tests right. Is he weighing out the crushed tabs (powder) before he puts it in the vials? Ill bet money he isnt. You only need .3mg, any more or even less will alter the results and could give you a color you werent looking for, or it could be something else. Oils, you only need a drop.

Funny, brutus said the cialis was completely bunk. If there was cialis in the tabs(which there was according to the ecstasydata.org test), then its obvious cialis doesnt work for him. It doesnt work for alot of people, including myself.

Dont worry the truth will come out. IF/When brutus/jb posts these mass spec tests, dont be surprised if they dont show you certain tab results. I think they are both full of shit, and they wont post up anything. Cant wait till they are the laughing stock around the community. And trust me, Ill ride this till the day I die..

ALP = 1
Brutus79/Johnnydickballs = 0

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Mass spec done by ecstasydata.org is way more credible then labmax. Ill bet money flesner isnt even doing the labmax tests right. Is he weighing out the crushed tabs (powder) before he puts it in the vials? Ill bet money he isnt. You only need .3mg, any more or even less will alter the results and could give you a color you werent looking for, or it could be something else. Oils, you only need a drop.

Funny, brutus said the cialis was completely bunk. If there was cialis in the tabs(which there was according to the ecstasydata.org test), then its obvious cialis doesnt work for him. It doesnt work for alot of people, including myself.

Dont worry the truth will come out. IF/When brutus/jb posts these mass spec tests, dont be surprised if they dont show you certain tab results. I think they are both full of shit, and they wont post up anything. Cant wait till they are the laughing stock around the community. And trust me, Ill ride this till the day I die..

ALP = 1
Brutus79/Johnnydickballs = 0

You can think or post whatever you want IM, that's the beauty of Meso.. Unfortunately, everyone here knows you're a, what is it?? Oh, "clownfuck"..

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

K told me he was going to email you. I have no idea if he did or not. I asked you guys to let me know what was going on, but since you didn't want a refund, I figured you didn't care to speak to him and I never checked back in.

Please re-read my post and think it over. I'm not against you guys saying that you didn't like the product you received. I'm not against you posting feedback here or at AB. It's everything else that was posted that is the problem. As far as I knew, I was on good terms with you, Brutus, and CBS. Maybe Brutus didn't realize I was staff there but Brutus went over to AB and said the staff would ban him for leaving poor feedback. Basically saying I'm a scammer protector. Statements like that aren't going to lend credibility to your argument. I feel like he was pissed about his order, got wound up by IM, and went off.

I've tried to help you guys here and I haven't lied to you about anything. I'm not against you guys leaving feedback or testing the products. If I thought IM worked for K, I would say so. If there was a verifiable test that could give you concentration data, I would encourage you to use it instead of estacydata. This is not some kind of shell game intended to make you look bad or discredit you. From the beginning, I've said you guys could be correct but I would expect other complaints if you were. I even said that if you were wrong I would try to calm everyone down.

I understand that you guys are trying to grow as leaders but you're not going to grow without giving people the respect that you want in return. I'm not saying to kiss ass, lie, or conceal your feedback either. I'm saying stick to the feedback and don't personally attack people.





With regard to the refund, you're right, I was confused. I thought you wanted a refund and wanted K to cover the cost of the tests up front, that's what I requested on the 17th of last month. On the 22nd he responded that he would issue a refund but didn't want to fund the tests. If the complaint were handled graciously he would have paid for the tests though. He offered to pay for me to test the products but there is no point because people will just think the results are some kind of conspiracy.

It looks like I made a mistake in the way I requested your refund. You were offered a refund on the 22nd, check your PM. I'm assuming that you guys never contacted each other, which is why nothing went anywhere. You guys need to talk to each other and not rely on me to play telephone. I am apparently not doing a very good job relaying information between you.

He may approve paying for the tests if the outcome is poor, I have no idea. Again, please talk to him directly.

Thanks for clarifying a few things, regular.. Like I said I appreciate the PM, never thought you were lying about that.. He never contacted us.. Doesn't matter though..

 

[regular]

Wow- just, wow. I have never in my life heard more examples of expectations that run completely counter to every business model in the mordern world. You know @regular , when I stay at the ritz carlton and they overbook and I throw an absolute shitfit because I paid for a view of the statue of liberty and the room barely overlooks the river I get a little terse. I may say things in anger. Do they unveil their IT room and bring me to a man who recorded everything I said in my anger and pick apart all of my statements? Do they threaten to not provide further anemities to other future patrons because of my indiscretions in a moment of anger? Apparently those threats of not helping with future scammers because of a couple meso members- and your blow by blow commentary on what you feel were "insulting" to your employer is what is missing in the ritz carlton white glove treatment?


So we are engaged in illegal commerce so the rules are the customer is NEVER right, and if the customer actually becomes angered or acts in any impolite manner no matter how bad they were screwed they, according to you, deserve a different level of service than those who bend over and spread their cheeks. That is another practice I never put in to play in any corporation I have participated in. It seems really groundbreaking! "If the customer gets disrespectful or angers the mighty employees of your business make sure and treat them like shit from the Ceo to the overqualified mod.... er maitre d.


I have a difficult time being pokite to someone I feel doesn't have any respect for me, and you have gone above and betond to drive home that is most important that you and your employer are "right" and I am "wrong". It very clearly has nothing to do with anything other than that or you wouldn't be here doing lengthy public relation diatribes in this thread, yet here you are proving us wrong again. Good job. I hope you get a raise or whatever.


I personally don't fucking care about your rebuttals to this post or your condescending tone while you do it- but it seems you have a burning desire to leave no stone unturned- no public correspondence unanswered until you feel everyone has been provided with enough evidence of how right you are. Congratulations ahead of time.

Someone who behaves the way you do should be familiar with a businesses' right to refuse service.

I'm not on your side or K's side. I call it like I see it.

I told you from the beginning that you guys could be right about the products being poor. K told you if there was a problem it wasn't intentional. No one ever said that you are wrong, but it is a possibility that you are wrong. You're so caught up in being “right” that you can't even admit there is a possibility that you could be wrong.

No one treated you like shit. Your personal conflict with IM has nothing to do with K.

 

[regular]

Thanks for clarifying a few things, regular.. Like I said I appreciate the PM, never thought you were lying about that.. He never contacted us.. Doesn't matter though..

Thanks JB, sorry I didn't PM you guys. I really thought he would email you or you would email him.

It should matter to you. Discuss your proposal with him, it may be approved, I don't know. I feel like you guys were pissed because no one responded to your email and then just shut down after that.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Someone who behaves the way you do should be familiar with a businesses' right to refuse service.

I'm not on your side or K's side. I call it like I see it.

I told you from the beginning that you guys could be right about the products being poor. K told you if there was a problem it wasn't intentional. No one ever said that you are wrong, but it is a possibility that you are wrong. You're so caught up in being “right” that you can't even admit there is a possibility that you could be wrong.

No one treated you like shit. Your personal conflict with IM has nothing to do with K.

Brutus79/Johnnyballz are wrong. Nothing but two con artists with malicious intent to try and give a source problems. Brutus all bent out of shape because cialis isnt making his 3inch dick hard. News flash, cialis doesnt make you horny, or work for everyone. I guess since the ecstatsydata.org test proves that there is nothing else in there besides cialis, I guess that test is wrong too.
I dont even know why you waste your breath with these guys. JB said he doesnt want a refund, so why give him one?
I hope these mass spec tests prove that brutus/jb are full of shit. Which most people think they already are. Ask him who is doing them, and when are we going to see some results?

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

You can think or post whatever you want IM, that's the beauty of Meso.. Unfortunately, everyone here knows you're a, what is it?? Oh, "clownfuck"..

Id rather be a clownfuck, then a laughing stock at meso and the rest of the forums. You guys are going down. Ecstasydata.org proved your cialis that wasnt working, is cialis. Whats next? Test that fucking nolvadex that you said was dbol. What the fuck are you scared of? Being called a fucking fool/liar/laughing stock? Or all 3? Im putting my money on all 3. Wont be long now..

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Id rather be a clownfuck, then a laughing stock at meso and the rest of the forums. You guys are going down. Ecstasydata.org proved your cialis that wasnt working, is cialis. Whats next? Test that fucking nolvadex that you said was dbol. What the fuck are you scared of? Being called a fucking fool/liar/laughing stock? Or all 3? Im putting my money on all 3. Wont be long now..

It proved there is at least a very small percentage of Cialis in the tab that K indicates he sent in himself here by saying "WE got back our Cialis today- positive":

lol Dont shoot!

--

Just waiting on last few items being lab tested.. we got back our cialis today - positive. http://www.ecstasydata.org/view.php?id=3255
As if it wouldnt be. wtf lol
More to come.

Thanks all

Please fall back into oblivion IM, thanks...

 

[devildog93]

IM, i'm not jumping anyone's shit on this, but i think i can say that i actually don't give a shit about an ecstasydata test after the fact from a sample sent in from the source. #1, i don't give a crap about cialis in general. #2 - If in fact the original product that Brutus had was bad, we then alert the supplier and zing...the sample he sent in to test had cialis in it. Are we supposed to be amazed after the fact?

Ecstasydata used that way is in fact worse to consumers than a labmax done by experienced vet consumers testing actual product sent to them. We have discussed this at length about testing end samples and have agreed that the supplier testing means next to nothing for us as consumers. We don't trust them, nor should we with all the crap gear floating around. I could have some "good stuff" on hand for testing purposes and what would keep me from cutting it and sending it to consumers in a degraded state - nothing. I am not saying that is what has happened here, but it sure would not be the first time that trick has been pulled. The same can happen with labmax tests when the guy has 52mg of test ester instead of the 250mg he is supposed to. Yea, it passes a labmax, but it is still garbage.

Until we get purity numbers the only legit data we have is physical evidence of results and bloodwork on those products. Labmax and ecstasydata are both equally underwhelming if the end result is trying to get good gear over 80% pure, which is about as good as we have been able to find with the current powder sources available. We have seen an 85% powder, but that source has packed up shop.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

As far as I knew, I was on good terms with you, Brutus, and CBS.

While I can't speak for anyone else, I don't have any animosity toward you and believed we were on good terms as well. While I don't necessarily agree with everything you've said, I certainly support your right to hold the positions you do just as I suspect you support my right to the same.

Regarding the issues with Karius' gear, I have no personal knowledge or experience with K and have refrained from commenting directly on whether ALP's products are bunk or not. I do believe the evidence has shown K's QA is lacking, if for no other reason than he was unable to provide analytical data on his gear and was forced to implement of a testing regime - no doubt temporarily - because of Brutus and JohnnyB's complaints.

Therefore, I've tried to confine my comments to IM and Granite and their attacks on JohnnyB and Brutus' credibility, as well as pointing out what I believe is convincing evidence that they are working on K's behalf - in either an official or unofficial capacity.

I understand that you guys are trying to grow as leaders but you're not going to grow without giving people the respect that you want in return.

Again, speaking only for myself, I am neither trying, nor do I desire a leadership role - on Meso or any other forum. My statements and opinions are mine and mine alone and I don't purport to represent anybody else. It's my hope that my comments will stand on their own and be judged on the strength of my argument. Nothing more, nothing less. I fully understand that sometimes my arguments are thoughtful and sometimes they are belligerent - perhaps belligerent more often than they should - but they are always constructed to convey a particular point and never for seeking approval.


Regards

CBS

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Cant wait till they are the laughing stock around the community.

They will not be "the laughingstock" where they are known - on Meso. Not over this issue. You on the other hand...

And trust me, Ill ride this till the day I die..

You have way too much time on your hands. It's sad that this is all you have.

ALP = 1
Brutus79/Johnnydickballs = 0

Is ItalianMuscle trustworthy?

Yes, he is honest. 7 vote(s) 15.2%

No, he is a lying shill. 39 vote(s) 84.8%

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/poll-do-you-trust-italianmuscle.134357593/

 

[theexperiment]

Believe it or not fellas, IM is a good guy.