johnnyBALLZ
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I thought so too at one point..
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I thought so too at one point..
theexperiment
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He's always been there for me when I've had a question and has always had my back. IM has a love it or hate it attitude and some people just don't like that, which I think is the case here at Meso. Personalities just clash, part of life. But he is in no way a scammer or a shill or anything like that. I've known IM for years on the boards and none of those ideas have ever crossed my mind.
I think he means well. I feel he sticks up for srcs to much, in my estimation. We are all the same as long as you aren't a srcs or rep so why give them the benifit over members in good standing, it just makes you look bad.
Yeah... anyone that goes around other forums spreading rumors that someone is a convicted child molester ISN'T a "good guy." He's a piece of garbage. If you're willing to use your name to lend credibility to someone like that, that's on you.
It doesn't really matter what your "intent" is. Encouraging consumers to take complaints directly to vendor as opposed to publicly posting the complaint on a high-traffic forum has the practical effect of suppressing the complaint from the community at large.
MESO supports the principle of free and uncensored speech. People who oppose free speech generally use the argument you are using. They find examples of abusive or offensive speech and use it against supporters of free speech. Their argument is essentially that if one supports the principle of free speech, then one necessarily subscribes to the content of such speech.
You are completely wrong in the line of reasoning.
The beauty of an uncensored forum is that ALL sides have an opportunity to express their positions. Again, you are completely wrong to suggest that MESO generally supports the expression of one voice - a consumer voice - and gives special treatment to one voice over another voice. That is indeed what you are saying when you say that MESO is generally anti-abuse on the consumer side with the clear implication that MESO is pro-abuse on the vendor side.
You are completely wrong and your argument is entirely unsupported.
It is precisely a condemnation of the uncensored model implemented on MESO. You have a right to your opinion. That is fine.
I am more concerned about your statement (as a moderator on other forum(s)) that people should be careful about what they say on MESO otherwise they will face consequences on other forums.
It is interesting that so much of your criticism of the "abuse" is reserved for MESO members who are making complaints against vendors while you've said relatively little about the abuse from those (well-established members at other forums) who are defending vendors from criticism.
I recognize and agree to some extent with your criticism of the people who are exploiting the uncensored format to become belligerent and abusive towards others. But it is just as wrong when a pro-vendor voice does it than when a pro-consumer voice does it. I am sure you agree. This just doesn't seem obvious based on your post.
Agreed Millard!!! All parties whichever side they represent should have the right to express their stance on any issue they might have with a consumer or a supplier.
MESO is here to benefit both parties in a uncensored fashion when a problem occurs. There is always two sides to the story. Actually there's three sides! The third being the complete truth. An uncensored board limits the community in making a educated decision.
Do I think name calling like a bunch of cracked out third graders is productive. Hell no it's not and I'm truly sick of it. I guess we can't have out cake and eat it too! I'm just glad we get cake.
mands
MESO is here to benefit both parties in a uncensored fashion when a problem occurs. There is always two sides to the story. Actually there's three sides! The third being the complete truth. An uncensored board limits the community in making a educated decision.
Do I think name calling like a bunch of cracked out third graders is productive. Hell no it's not and I'm truly sick of it. I guess we can't have out cake and eat it too! I'm just glad we get cake.
mands
@Millard Baker I do agree @regular that actions here do effect what the community thinks and how it reacts.
Hey can we act like screaming idiots as we do on here in real life. Turnaround and go anywhere we want and be accepted. There's always consequences for our actions whether we like it or not.
mands
Hey can we act like screaming idiots as we do on here in real life. Turnaround and go anywhere we want and be accepted. There's always consequences for our actions whether we like it or not.
mands
I agree as well. The fact that all sides are represented is a good thing. Those who resort to personal attacks, insults and "act like screaming idiots" only undermine the credibility of their positions. An unfortunate side effect of an uncensored forum is that people are permitted to behave in such fashion.
If we could discourage and reduce such behavior, the level of debate and discussion would increase. Not only would all sides be represented but all sides would be WELL represented.
The problem with this CBS is IM has been around as long as me and GM has been a big contributor to the community before they started this craziness over here. They were already established of sorts if you can say that. I mean look at all the shit BB used to get away with saying. Just the nature of the beast.
Would I ever act like a child and tell another member I would skull fuck his mother or some weird shit... No I wouldn't but if I did I probably wouldn't catch much shit for it from other boards or VETS.
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muscle96ss
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Would it not make more sense to first contact the vendor to get his side of the story before making accusations and posting the complaint. In other words, lets get the facts right before posting the accusation. Then once you have contacted the vendor you can post your complaint and his response. I also don't mind posting the facts of the complaint before notifying the vendor, but to draw conclusion and make accusations without doing your due dilligence to make sure they stand up first is a disservice. In other words, sure post the labmax tests and their pictures while at the same time contacting K. But no need to make accusations, call someone a scammer, or start casting judgement until you have all the facts.
I agree. I think it is most effective to alert the vendor AND alert the community. I like to see all sides represented. And keep the community thread updated with new information as it becomes available.
I do NOT agree with alerting the vendor as an alternative to alerting the community.
I disagree. These vendors aren't Motorola or Holley. Sure, a big company with established credentials and professional reputation should be treated like this. A steroid vendor, probably not. The vendors not quality checking their shit need to go, period. We need to get our ducks lined up in a row for testing purposes, but i really don't want to contact a vendor once the community comes to an agreement about the data showing they are selective scamming, underdosing, or whatever other shady business practice they are found to be using. At the point we can prove it is 25% dosage gear, mislabeled, or otherwise i am done talking to them. From there all we can do is warn people off, but the customer/vendor relationship is severed. If someone cuts my finger off i am not likely to ask for them to apologize and turn the other cheek. In much the same way i think the best we can do is limit the damage from unscrupulous vendors once they are proven to be just that.
We are talking about an underground business where the vendor has a stranglehold and more often than not has only his own interests at heart with maximum insulation from the customer. If there are a handful that do not operate in this same way they are the fringe rather than the majority and i applaud them for being professional. I have yet to find that magical unicorn vendor though i am sure they probably do exist.
We are talking about an underground business where the vendor has a stranglehold and more often than not has only his own interests at heart with maximum insulation from the customer. If there are a handful that do not operate in this same way they are the fringe rather than the majority and i applaud them for being professional. I have yet to find that magical unicorn vendor though i am sure they probably do exist.
And VIP's... don't forget those damn VIP's.
And therein lies the problem with titles. It creates a two-tiered system where *some* members are *more* equal than others; i.e. they're given a pass when they don't deserve it because they're in "the club." If it's wrong for a new member to be belligerent, then it's JUST as wrong for Vets and VIP's. Maybe worse because they should know better.
Come on Mands- skull fucking is so 1999... this is the new millennium! We make new holes in exciting places.
I just have to interject that the trifecta of insults to me is to rip me off for money, call me a liar and call me a child molester. If someone did those things to me I would beat them with a crowbar until the stress fractures in my hands rendered me unable to grip said crowbar. In the absence of physical confrontation I resort to heinous verbal assaults.
Ben and I used to electronically high five over who could lay verbal waste to dissenters with more authority. I certainly concede that I am nobody and ben is ben- but I am always me and if anyone knew me in real life they would know I cross that line of decorum into degraded filth with authority. Often. Happy or mad. I love to shock- I love to make people uncomfortable. Mostly I just like to make people laugh at things they probably shouldn't laugh at.
The written word is so easily misinterpreted... pity becaise I am real fucking funny. Unless of course you hit me with the aforementioned trifecta.
Hey I never said I agree with it. I'm just stating how it works. Is it really different than real life... Just the facts as I see them.
Well I am getting old Brutus. lol
@brutus79 I have never in a open forum or via PM thought or agreed you were reverse scamming or trying to pull a fast one. I even PM'ed IM asking him what was going on and what he really thought. I asked him why you would be doing what you were doing if you didn't believe you were correct. I think I even mentioned you were an okay dude. Deep down under your bad ass dego(you are half Italian right/) killer persona on the internet and real life I think you have a good heart and are loyal to your family and friends.
Do I think it's productive for sources trying to come on here and scam.. YES I DO! Do I think it's productive for anything else in life... NO I DO NOT.
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Mands with all due respect, I believe IM and GM couldnt hold BB jockstrap so in my mind I dont get the comparison. Im and GM stand up for a source were BB would make the src pay the piper. But I am still a newb.
On a side bar BB would never call someone a pedophile without proof, that is were I call IM character into question. Am I the only one who feels this way on this subject? I guess iam allready a dinosaur at thirty years young.
I was referring to how BB would berate someone to very explicit extent. I think I was just comparing how IM and Brutus try and get there message across. They have similar styles. That's all I was comparing. And why they don't look as bad.
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dper726
Well-known Member
Power to the vendor over the community in expressing they're speech freedoms? Hell to the no. Last I know we are dealing with an illegal activity. Hence there is no authority to regulate quality. And if you disable the voice of the consumer to express such as desirable you might aswell try living in Cuba and let us know what you think about that place. Say hi to Castro for me.
