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[ItalianMuscle27]

Huh? I didn't say I'm not going to share the results.. I'm 99% sure what they'll be but you'll know good or bad what they come back at.. After all your bullshit here I certainly don't feel the need to be giving you status updates though..

So do you have them available, or are you still waiting? 99% sure that they all come back bunk? LOL.. Looking forward to them..

 

[Johnson513]

So do you have them available, or are you still waiting? 99% sure that they all come back bunk? LOL.. Looking forward to them..

You're like my woman... I call her a pretzel maker cuz she's ALWAYS twisting my words...

That's now what he said man... C'mon.
Slow down and re-read... You get a lil chubby over anyone responding to a post of yours... So excitable

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

You're like my woman... I call her a pretzel maker cuz she's ALWAYS twisting my words...

That's now what he said man... C'mon.
Slow down and re-read... You get a lil chubby over anyone responding to a post of yours... So excitable

Thanks for being another asshole in this thread. Point well taken..It fun, watching you guys get all pissed off.

 

[brutus79]

Thanks for being another asshole in this thread. Point well taken..It fun, watching you guys get all pissed off.

Pissed off? Nobody wants a retard drooling on their Bentley leather seats... not even if said retard has a super fancy name like italian muscle. Trolling during day hours? Laid off? Vip of the unemployment line there cupcake?

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Thanks for being another asshole in this thread. Point well taken..It fun, watching you guys get all pissed off.

Thanks for admitting you are a troll. Although, I am sure you are too dumb to understand that you did.

You know what's even more fun than watching people get pissed off? Toying with the mentally weak like you. Watching you become flustered by posts that you are unable to comprehend is a pleasure. The lame rebuttals that further expose your lack of intelligence are priceless.

Please continue, IM. We are counting on you for the much needed laughs. Don't let me down.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Thanks for admitting you are a troll. Although, I am sure you are too dumb to understand that you did.

You know what's even more fun than watching people get pissed off? Toying with the mentally weak like you. Watching you become flustered by posts that you are unable to comprehend is a pleasure. The lame rebuttals that further expose your lack of intelligence are priceless.

Please continue, IM. We are counting on you for the much needed laughs. Don't let me down.

Whats even more fun, is making you look stupid. Im VIP everywhere..BRAH! And there isnt anything you can do, to change that. You see, Im way up here, and you're down in the sewer with the rest of the rats.. Go suck off dr jim some more. Do you need me to take snap shots? Its funny, every time he posts, you're right behind him with a screen shot of some sort. It amazes me you or him have time to work out. He is on his iphone trying to train legs. That just tells me, he isnt even serious about training, lifting, or anything weight training related.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Go suck off dr jim some more. Do you need me to take snap shots?

You'd like that wouldn't you. Probably put the pics up on your twink video site. LMFAO!!

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

You'd like that wouldn't you. Probably put the pics up on your twink video site. LMFAO!!

http://www.censoredboardssuck.homo.com

Yeah, you and jim look like two peas in a pod in that video. You're probably still watching it, and you probably made it a screen saver.. after all, you are the SCREENSHOT KING! LMFAOROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[regular]

It doesn't really matter what your "intent" is. Encouraging consumers to take complaints directly to vendor as opposed to publicly posting the complaint on a high-traffic forum has the practical effect of suppressing the complaint from the community at large.

I don't agree with you. Intent is very important in my opinion.

Brutus and JB were specifically asked by our staff to post their feedback on our board where K's clients would see their feedback. The feedback was not amended and K's clients had an opportunity to review it. Additionally, I said that I'm fine with them leaving feedback here and at AB. The only aspect of the feedback that has been refuted was Brutus accusation that we would ban him for leaving feedback and Brutus lying about JB needing gyno surgery as a result of using K's products. K acknowledged that Brutus could be correct about the product being poor and said if that was the case, it wasn't intentional and ran some tests himself. I said that they could be correct but that no one else has reported anything.

How is that “suppressing the complaint from the community at large?”

MESO supports the principle of free and uncensored speech. People who oppose free speech generally use the argument you are using. They find examples of abusive or offensive speech and use it against supporters of free speech. Their argument is essentially that if one supports the principle of free speech, then one necessarily subscribes to the content of such speech.

You are completely wrong in the line of reasoning.

Lets talk about how this started. When someone claims a product they purchased caused them to need gyno surgery, when in fact the product did not cause that person to need gyno surgery, that is abuse. Abuse, which creates no work for you and you do not monitor or care about and someone like me has to sift through in an effort to determine the truth. Must be nice to sit back and allow anyone to say anything, even when it's not true, and make no fact finding effort whatsoever, while condemning the guy who is exceptionally busy, who doesn't appreciate his time being wasted investigating claims that are not true.

The beauty of an uncensored forum is that ALL sides have an opportunity to express their positions. Again, you are completely wrong to suggest that MESO generally supports the expression of one voice - a consumer voice - and gives special treatment to one voice over another voice. That is indeed what you are saying when you say that MESO is generally anti-abuse on the consumer side with the clear implication that MESO is pro-abuse on the vendor side.

You are completely wrong and your argument is entirely unsupported.

Someone reviewing this forum will generally find a pro-source abuse sentiment alive among the members here. Generally speaking, sources are treated as con-men right off the bat and any user who frequently posts is believed to be credible. This may not be an official policy endorsed by you but this is a reality here.

Read your board. I could cite countless examples of this. Here's an example from this thread.

I think he means well. I feel he sticks up for srcs to much, in my estimation. We are all the same as long as you aren't a srcs or rep so why give them the benifit over members in good standing, it just makes you look bad.

Any user who frequently posts is legitimate. Sources have no credibility, even if they have been around for a decade. Siding with a source on an issue makes someone untrustworthy. - Meso

It is precisely a condemnation of the uncensored model implemented on MESO. You have a right to your opinion. That is fine.

The problem isn't the model because your intent is good. The problem is the way some users choose to interpret and abuse the model. I don't like the abuse because it creates unnecessary work for me.

I am more concerned about your statement (as a moderator on other forum(s)) that people should be careful about what they say on MESO otherwise they will face consequences on other forums.

Please quote the post you are referring to.

It is interesting that so much of your criticism of the "abuse" is reserved for MESO members who are making complaints against vendors while you've said relatively little about the abuse from those (well-established members at other forums) who are defending vendors from criticism.

I recognize and agree to some extent with your criticism of the people who are exploiting the uncensored format to become belligerent and abusive towards others. But it is just as wrong when a pro-vendor voice does it than when a pro-consumer voice does it. I am sure you agree. This just doesn't seem obvious based on your post.

I have very little spare time on and off the boards. When I'm online, I donate my time and money to solving complex problems, which is why I don't post much anymore. For example, when stretch was going to rip off several of your guys in a GH group buy, my assistance was requested by my friend Ben. Ben, CBS, Mugzy, and myself worked together to investigate stretch and bring that situation to a favorable resolution. Taking control of major problems like the one stretch created is what I spend my time on the boards doing. I have an enormous backlog of requests for help that I am constantly re-prioritizing and working on.

The only reason I'm participating in this thread is because Brutus made it seem like he and JB were scammed, Brutus said JB needed gyno surgery because of K's products, and they made it seem like K was ignoring them. In my role as a staff member, I have an obligation to Brutus and JB to figure out what happened, make sure they were not abused by k, and address their complaints. No one else has complained about the products they were dissatisfied with, K offered them a refund, K's products didn't cause JB to need gyno surgery, and last I checked, their communication problem seems to be that they aren't contacting K.

IM and Brutus have been at each other for a long time. I don't even know how it started but it was before this order with K. Re-socializing them or getting them to get along is not something I am prepared to allocate time to. I did say that I felt it was inappropriate for IM to claim that Brutus is a child molester when that is not true because to me that's like saying you want someone dead. The first time I saw IM say that I thought it was real and began investigating Brutus. I have pretty much ignored what they are saying to each other because as I said before IM and Gamn don't represent K. If K were abusing people I would be obligated to address that abuse.

I would prefer that guys not abuse each other because I feel it is counterproductive. Brutus and IM would probably get along if they knew each other better. The VIPs from AB team up against scammers and conduct their own investigations. I know because when I was a VIP, I had a hand in getting three sources kicked off of AB. For a while, I really thought the staff there didn't like me and I thought I was going to get banned. The VIPs also monitor the staff's decisions and aren't scared to call bullshit on us. Users will sometimes contact a VIP about an issue they are scared to bring to a staff member. On the Meso side, you have guys that are established here who are trying to do the right thing too. I've worked with CBS in an official capacity. I know he's trying to look out for people here. I really don't get the us vs them sentiment because both groups have similar politics. They seem to be fighting about K being a scammer or not, K is not a scammer. He offered a refund on the order in question. I have no idea why this is even still going on.

I think JB's intent is good. If Brutus would stop making antagonistic claims about things that are not true it would help his position.

I agree as well. The fact that all sides are represented is a good thing. Those who resort to personal attacks, insults and "act like screaming idiots" only undermine the credibility of their positions. An unfortunate side effect of an uncensored forum is that people are permitted to behave in such fashion.

If we could discourage and reduce such behavior, the level of debate and discussion would increase. Not only would all sides be represented but all sides would be WELL represented.

Well, it's just unnecessary. I wish everyone would have stuck to the facts instead of trying to draw wider conclusions. Two friends on the street that know each other didn't like their order and they have been offered a refund. They feel five of the products they received are poor. There is nothing wrong with leaving feedback like that, or why they feel the products were poor, because of the labmax their friend conducted.

However, saying that everyone is a scammer, bashing my fellow staff and I, lying about the products creating the need for gyno surgery, etc that's inflammatory untrue and not necessary. AB's staff and K have not abused Brutus or JB.

I agree. I think it is most effective to alert the vendor AND alert the community. I like to see all sides represented. And keep the community thread updated with new information as it becomes available.

I do NOT agree with alerting the vendor as an alternative to alerting the community.

I'm fine with people leaving feedback good or bad but I expect the feedback to be left with the intent of telling the truth instead of deceiving and antagonizing someone. For example, if JB did get gyno from K's products, people should know about that. But if he didn't, that should be said because it is not true. Same thing with claiming that we would ban Brutus for leaving feedback in his feedback. If we did ban him, he should say something, if not, he shouldn't make things up to antagonize us.

 

[brutus79]

I don't agree with you. Intent is very important in my opinion.

Brutus and JB were specifically asked by our staff to post their feedback on our board where K's clients would see their feedback. The feedback was not amended and K's clients had an opportunity to review it. Additionally, I said that I'm fine with them leaving feedback here and at AB. The only aspect of the feedback that has been refuted was Brutus accusation that we would ban him for leaving feedback and Brutus lying about JB needing gyno surgery as a result of using K's products. K acknowledged that Brutus could be correct about the product being poor and said if that was the case, it wasn't intentional and ran some tests himself. I said that they could be correct but that no one else has reported anything.

How is that “suppressing the complaint from the community at large?”



Lets talk about how this started. When someone claims a product they purchased caused them to need gyno surgery, when in fact the product did not cause that person to need gyno surgery, that is abuse. Abuse, which creates no work for you and you do not monitor or care about and someone like me has to sift through in an effort to determine the truth. Must be nice to sit back and allow anyone to say anything, even when it's not true, and make no fact finding effort whatsoever, while condemning the guy who is exceptionally busy, who doesn't appreciate his time being wasted investigating claims that are not true.



Someone reviewing this forum will generally find a pro-source abuse sentiment alive among the members here. Generally speaking, sources are treated as con-men right off the bat and any user who frequently posts is believed to be credible. This may not be an official policy endorsed by you but this is a reality here.

Read your board. I could cite countless examples of this. Here's an example from this thread.



Any user who frequently posts is legitimate. Sources have no credibility, even if they have been around for a decade. Siding with a source on an issue makes someone untrustworthy. - Meso



The problem isn't the model because your intent is good. The problem is the way some users choose to interpret and abuse the model. I don't like the abuse because it creates unnecessary work for me.



Please quote the post you are referring to.



I have very little spare time on and off the boards. When I'm online, I donate my time and money to solving complex problems, which is why I don't post much anymore. For example, when stretch was going to rip off several of your guys in a GH group buy, my assistance was requested by my friend Ben. Ben, CBS, Mugzy, and myself worked together to investigate stretch and bring that situation to a favorable resolution. Taking control of major problems like the one stretch created is what I spend my time on the boards doing. I have an enormous backlog of requests for help that I am constantly re-prioritizing and working on.

The only reason I'm participating in this thread is because Brutus made it seem like he and JB were scammed, Brutus said JB needed gyno surgery because of K's products, and they made it seem like K was ignoring them. In my role as a staff member, I have an obligation to Brutus and JB to figure out what happened, make sure they were not abused by k, and address their complaints. No one else has complained about the products they were dissatisfied with, K offered them a refund, K's products didn't cause JB to need gyno surgery, and last I checked, their communication problem seems to be that they aren't contacting K.

IM and Brutus have been at each other for a long time. I don't even know how it started but it was before this order with K. Re-socializing them or getting them to get along is not something I am prepared to allocate time to. I did say that I felt it was inappropriate for IM to claim that Brutus is a child molester when that is not true because to me that's like saying you want someone dead. The first time I saw IM say that I thought it was real and began investigating Brutus. I have pretty much ignored what they are saying to each other because as I said before IM and Gamn don't represent K. If K were abusing people I would be obligated to address that abuse.

I would prefer that guys not abuse each other because I feel it is counterproductive. Brutus and IM would probably get along if they knew each other better. The VIPs from AB team up against scammers and conduct their own investigations. I know because when I was a VIP, I had a hand in getting three sources kicked off of AB. For a while, I really thought the staff there didn't like me and I thought I was going to get banned. The VIPs also monitor the staff's decisions and aren't scared to call bullshit on us. Users will sometimes contact a VIP about an issue they are scared to bring to a staff member. On the Meso side, you have guys that are established here who are trying to do the right thing too. I've worked with CBS in an official capacity. I know he's trying to look out for people here. I really don't get the us vs them sentiment because both groups have similar politics. They seem to be fighting about K being a scammer or not, K is not a scammer. He offered a refund on the order in question. I have no idea why this is even still going on.

I think JB's intent is good. If Brutus would stop making antagonistic claims about things that are not true it would help his position.



Well, it's just unnecessary. I wish everyone would have stuck to the facts instead of trying to draw wider conclusions. Two friends on the street that know each other didn't like their order and they have been offered a refund. They feel five of the products they received are poor. There is nothing wrong with leaving feedback like that, or why they feel the products were poor, because of the labmax their friend conducted.

However, saying that everyone is a scammer, bashing my fellow staff and I, lying about the products creating the need for gyno surgery, etc that's inflammatory untrue and not necessary. AB's staff and K have not abused Brutus or JB.



I'm fine with people leaving feedback good or bad but I expect the feedback to be left with the intent of telling the truth instead of deceiving and antagonizing someone. For example, if JB did get gyno from K's products, people should know about that. But if he didn't, that should be said because it is not true. Same thing with claiming that we would ban Brutus for leaving feedback in his feedback. If we did ban him, he should say something, if not, he shouldn't make things up to antagonize us.

I did not say the products gave him gyno, I said that his pct with k orals ended in gyno surgery. It did. Maybe it wasn't the orals, but you are the semantics king so surely you can appreciate the difference in my verbiage.

We also discussed this at length both on the open board and via pm... as far as the ban comments I admitted these were baseless comments uttered in a rage.

You investigated me? And? No time to actually state that I am not a child molester? Or would you like my government name and social security number to be sure?

I am amazed you have taken these comments so far out of the context of events that had transpired since. You told johnny that K said he emailed us or pm'd us or whatever- and he fucking didn't. We pm'd him AND emailed- then YOU said you would speak with him... in that convo you had he said he had emailed us, but NOPE. Still nothing... and eventually complaints that files were attached to the last email and that is why there was no response. Apparently the first few contacts were insufficient- how many times do you need to contact k with issues to get a response? Apparently we don't have the tenacity required to hound him to the extent a response is warranted.

You know what I got out of this? A complete lack of respect for all parties involved. I have never heard so many threats, double talk pm one way back stab on the open board bullshit in my life. I will reiterate that I am AMAZED you have forgotten the subtle nuances of things and events that transpired since the intial issue and now you have come full circle and approached this like a case manager dealing with a medicaid patient- customer service? Fuck the customer! If you don't take the tone we want and address the issue the way we want we will embark on a multi month mission to discredit you and embellish your shortcomings. Bravo. You have accomplished that company mission w ith aplomb.

What were the results of your child molesting investigation again? I missed that part.

 

[chewiebaca]

Brutus weren't you also accused of being le at one point? You just can't catch a break hahaha.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Come on regular, I clarified the comment brutus made about the gyno surgery pretty quick so it wouldn't be misconstrued.. With everything else that's happened in this thread I don't see why you needed to mention that 6 times in your post!! I thought we already killed that issue after you brought it up a month ago..

Thanks for the kind words though..

 

[brutus79]

Brutus weren't you also accused of being le at one point? You just can't catch a break hahaha.

It is honestly a lesson in the swift repercussions of going against the grain. Challenging the status quo in ways that might affect someone's cash flow are met with amazing acts of slander and demoralization. Fuck 'em though. As Popeye said (says) "I am what I am" or somerhing like that.

 

[Millard]

Abuse, which creates no work for you and you do not monitor or care about and someone like me has to sift through in an effort to determine the truth. Must be nice to sit back and allow anyone to say anything, even when it's not true, and make no fact finding effort whatsoever, while condemning the guy who is exceptionally busy, who doesn't appreciate his time being wasted investigating claims that are not true.

That's the most interesting characterization of my defense of free speech that I've ever seen.

Do you really believe - that I don't care about the truth, that I make no fact-finding effort, that I don't care about those who spend time investigating and seeking the truth - simply because I support an uncensored forum?

Or is there some other explanation for these accusations? Is it the reaction to your perception that I am somehow "condemning" you for investigating/seeking the truth?

Maybe you are missing the point of uncensored forum. It IS the very process by which fact-finding efforts are made to determine the truth.

Or maybe you just don't agree or don't like it. That is fine. Maybe you don't think it is the most efficient way to do it. That is fine too.

Do you think it would be good if someone would spend the time to investigate all the claims and go back and censor anything that they determine is untrue? Or ban those with questionable motives? Or at the very least, provide a summary of the fact and the fiction in this thread so that exceptionally busy people won't have to read the entire thread in order to make their own determinations?

Who should we trust to do this? Me? You?

Who will be the arbiter of truth? And why should anyone trust them?

I understand your complaint that there will be bad actors in an uncensored forum. But just the same, there will be bad actors with questionable motives in traditional forum hierarchies where admins/mods seek to be the arbiters of truth.

This forum is for critical-thinking individuals who like to evaluate evidence for themselves and make their own decisions. It may be a lot more work than forums where people can have the truth delivered through a "trusted" hierarchy of individuals.

But the uncensored forum is a preferred model for many people.

 

[Mr.Bravo]

I don't agree with you. Intent is very important in my opinion.

Brutus and JB were specifically asked by our staff to post their feedback on our board where K's clients would see their feedback. The feedback was not amended and K's clients had an opportunity to review it. Additionally, I said that I'm fine with them leaving feedback here and at AB. The only aspect of the feedback that has been refuted was Brutus accusation that we would ban him for leaving feedback and Brutus lying about JB needing gyno surgery as a result of using K's products. K acknowledged that Brutus could be correct about the product being poor and said if that was the case, it wasn't intentional and ran some tests himself. I said that they could be correct but that no one else has reported anything.

How is that “suppressing the complaint from the community at large?”



Lets talk about how this started. When someone claims a product they purchased caused them to need gyno surgery, when in fact the product did not cause that person to need gyno surgery, that is abuse. Abuse, which creates no work for you and you do not monitor or care about and someone like me has to sift through in an effort to determine the truth. Must be nice to sit back and allow anyone to say anything, even when it's not true, and make no fact finding effort whatsoever, while condemning the guy who is exceptionally busy, who doesn't appreciate his time being wasted investigating claims that are not true.



Someone reviewing this forum will generally find a pro-source abuse sentiment alive among the members here. Generally speaking, sources are treated as con-men right off the bat and any user who frequently posts is believed to be credible. This may not be an official policy endorsed by you but this is a reality here.

Read your board. I could cite countless examples of this. Here's an example from this thread.



Any user who frequently posts is legitimate. Sources have no credibility, even if they have been around for a decade. Siding with a source on an issue makes someone untrustworthy. - Meso



The problem isn't the model because your intent is good. The problem is the way some users choose to interpret and abuse the model. I don't like the abuse because it creates unnecessary work for me.



Please quote the post you are referring to.



I have very little spare time on and off the boards. When I'm online, I donate my time and money to solving complex problems, which is why I don't post much anymore. For example, when stretch was going to rip off several of your guys in a GH group buy, my assistance was requested by my friend Ben. Ben, CBS, Mugzy, and myself worked together to investigate stretch and bring that situation to a favorable resolution. Taking control of major problems like the one stretch created is what I spend my time on the boards doing. I have an enormous backlog of requests for help that I am constantly re-prioritizing and working on.

The only reason I'm participating in this thread is because Brutus made it seem like he and JB were scammed, Brutus said JB needed gyno surgery because of K's products, and they made it seem like K was ignoring them. In my role as a staff member, I have an obligation to Brutus and JB to figure out what happened, make sure they were not abused by k, and address their complaints. No one else has complained about the products they were dissatisfied with, K offered them a refund, K's products didn't cause JB to need gyno surgery, and last I checked, their communication problem seems to be that they aren't contacting K.

IM and Brutus have been at each other for a long time. I don't even know how it started but it was before this order with K. Re-socializing them or getting them to get along is not something I am prepared to allocate time to. I did say that I felt it was inappropriate for IM to claim that Brutus is a child molester when that is not true because to me that's like saying you want someone dead. The first time I saw IM say that I thought it was real and began investigating Brutus. I have pretty much ignored what they are saying to each other because as I said before IM and Gamn don't represent K. If K were abusing people I would be obligated to address that abuse.

I would prefer that guys not abuse each other because I feel it is counterproductive. Brutus and IM would probably get along if they knew each other better. The VIPs from AB team up against scammers and conduct their own investigations. I know because when I was a VIP, I had a hand in getting three sources kicked off of AB. For a while, I really thought the staff there didn't like me and I thought I was going to get banned. The VIPs also monitor the staff's decisions and aren't scared to call bullshit on us. Users will sometimes contact a VIP about an issue they are scared to bring to a staff member. On the Meso side, you have guys that are established here who are trying to do the right thing too. I've worked with CBS in an official capacity. I know he's trying to look out for people here. I really don't get the us vs them sentiment because both groups have similar politics. They seem to be fighting about K being a scammer or not, K is not a scammer. He offered a refund on the order in question. I have no idea why this is even still going on.

I think JB's intent is good. If Brutus would stop making antagonistic claims about things that are not true it would help his position.



Well, it's just unnecessary. I wish everyone would have stuck to the facts instead of trying to draw wider conclusions. Two friends on the street that know each other didn't like their order and they have been offered a refund. They feel five of the products they received are poor. There is nothing wrong with leaving feedback like that, or why they feel the products were poor, because of the labmax their friend conducted.

However, saying that everyone is a scammer, bashing my fellow staff and I, lying about the products creating the need for gyno surgery, etc that's inflammatory untrue and not necessary. AB's staff and K have not abused Brutus or JB.



I'm fine with people leaving feedback good or bad but I expect the feedback to be left with the intent of telling the truth instead of deceiving and antagonizing someone. For example, if JB did get gyno from K's products, people should know about that. But if he didn't, that should be said because it is not true. Same thing with claiming that we would ban Brutus for leaving feedback in his feedback. If we did ban him, he should say something, if not, he shouldn't make things up to antagonize us.

The us versus them mentality simply put, sources are here to line there pockets nothing more if you dont understand this I dont know of any other way to put it. You dont have to agree with me its just a fact.

 

[muscle96ss]

The us versus them mentality simply put, sources are here to line there pockets nothing more if you dont understand this I dont know of any other way to put it. You dont have to agree with me its just a fact.

How is that any different than a large portion of our society?

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

How is that any different than a large portion of our society?

It isn't - or at least it shouldn't. The difference is no one considers Walmart or JC Penny their friend. People accept goods in exchange for their money without emotional attachment. If a vender provides unsatisfactory service or product, you tell everyone you know about it and don't shop there again. For some reason, people feel the need to consider online AAS dealers their friend when they are no such thing. They are here to take your money and do not care about you no matter what they say to the contrary - just like Walmart.

 

[muscle96ss]

It isn't - or at least it shouldn't. The difference is no one considers Walmart or JC Penny their friend. People accept goods in exchange for their money without emotional attachment. If a vender provides unsatisfactory service or product, you tell everyone you know about it and don't shop there again. For some reason, people feel the need to consider online AAS dealers their friend when they are no such thing. They are here to take your money and do not care about you no matter what they say to the contrary - just like Walmart.

Yes, I agree and buyer beware as you need to do proper research before conducting any business transaction. However, what I believe Regular was referring to was the attitude here towards sources in general. I would compare it to a woman who has had bad relationships before and is a male basher and doesn't give men a fair chance based on her prior experiences and lack of trust for men overall. Its that preconceived notion that everybody is out to get you that is constantly displayed here. I agree that we need to be cautious but the tone seems to be overly negative here and sources are hung out to dry prematurely in my opinion. For example, if you read this thread, some people labeled Karius a scammer right off the bat and I think we all know that while there is a chance there are some quality issues, he is definitely not a scammer, and you would agree that he would not intentionally send out bunk products. For those that don't know, I am also on Karius's and Regular's payroll as well(inside joke that CBS and some others will understand).

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I would compare it to a woman who has had bad relationships before and is a male basher and doesn't give men a fair chance based on her prior experiences and lack of trust for men overall.

That's probably a fair comparison.

I agree that we need to be cautious but the tone seems to be overly negative here and sources are hung out to dry prematurely in my opinion.

I agree the tone is negative but it's mostly warranted, IMO. Unlike censored forums, there is no administrative control over who tries to source here and no ad costs for the source so many of the sources wanting to setup shop are new to the business. Most don't have references and they're not experienced enough to be sourcing. There are also a ton a scammers trying to get in.

Without any screening process from the administration, it's left to the members to vet sources and we've learned from bitter experience that the most efficient way of doing it is to go after them hard right at the start and see what happens. Since Meso is uncensored, members are free to pound them pretty hard. The honest and experienced sources will usually make it past the welcoming committee and make some money but even those ones usually go bad eventually so members remain eternally vigilant. But most are exposed as bathtub operations or scammers pretty quickly. Do we drive off good sources? Probably, but it also prevents scammers from running of with thousands of dollars. It's not a perfect system but it's the best we have and it works pretty damn well.

 

[Millard]

I agree that we need to be cautious but the tone seems to be overly negative here and sources are hung out to dry prematurely in my opinion. For example, if you read this thread, some people labeled Karius a scammer right off the bat and I think we all know that while there is a chance there are some quality issues, he is definitely not a scammer, and you would agree that he would not intentionally send out bunk products. For those that don't know, I am also on Karius's and Regular's payroll as well(inside joke that CBS and some others will understand).

I think the use of of the word scammer may be overused. There is a tendency to apply the scammer label anytime anyone encounters an issue with a source. This non-specific application diminishes the meaning of the word and often leads to perceptions as yours. I've written about this previously with suggestions for improvement:

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/labeling-ugl-threads-gone-bad.134357592/#post-1081737