Kratom

[Sworder]

Not sure why anyone with a past opiate dependence would ever touch this stuff. Regardless of its positives, reading peoples posts about withdrawing and quitting is sad. Because of my past, I'd never touch it.

Because a person isn't an addict forever... It is trauma that causes drug dependency's most the time, something missing in a person's life so the drug becomes a surrogate.


"Johnny Quid:
[playing piano softly] You see that pack of Virginia killing sticks on the end of the piano?
Pete:
Yes.
Johnny Quid:
All you need to know about life is retained within those four walls. You will notice that one of your personalities is seduced by the illusions of grandeur - the gold packet of king size with a regal insignia, an attractive implication towards glamor and wealth; the subtle suggestion that cigarettes are indeed your royal and loyal friends, and that, Pete, is a lie. Your other personality is trying to draw your attention to the flip side of the discussion, written in boring bold black and white, it's a statement that these neat little soldiers of death are, in fact, trying to kill you and that, Pete, is the truth. Oh, beauty is a beguiling call to death and I'm addicted to the sweet pitch of its siren. That that starts sweet ends bitter, and that which starts bitter ends sweet. That is why you and I love the drugs and that is also why I cannot give that painting back. Now please, pass me a light." Guy Ritchie, RockNRolla

 

[T&H]

Because a person isn't an addict forever... It is trauma that causes drug dependency's most the time, something missing in a person's life so the drug becomes a surrogate.


"Johnny Quid:
[playing piano softly] You see that pack of Virginia killing sticks on the end of the piano?
Pete:
Yes.
Johnny Quid:
All you need to know about life is retained within those four walls. You will notice that one of your personalities is seduced by the illusions of grandeur - the gold packet of king size with a regal insignia, an attractive implication towards glamor and wealth; the subtle suggestion that cigarettes are indeed your royal and loyal friends, and that, Pete, is a lie. Your other personality is trying to draw your attention to the flip side of the discussion, written in boring bold black and white, it's a statement that these neat little soldiers of death are, in fact, trying to kill you and that, Pete, is the truth. Oh, beauty is a beguiling call to death and I'm addicted to the sweet pitch of its siren. That that starts sweet ends bitter, and that which starts bitter ends sweet. That is why you and I love the drugs and that is also why I cannot give that painting back. Now please, pass me a light." Guy Ritchie, RockNRolla

Your comment on addiction is the most inaccurate and absurd thing I've ever read.
You should not be commenting on any addiction issues, wow.

 

[Sworder]

Your comment on addiction is the most inaccurate and absurd thing I've ever read.
You should not be commenting on any addiction issues, wow.

Why? Are you part of the crowd that believes addiction is a disease and that you are powerless to it?

You are projecting your own inability to control yourself. If it hurts, don't post about yourself.

"Johnny Quid: You wouldn't understand.
Pete: Why not?
Johnny Quid: Because you are street scum, Pete. You're in need of a good education, that's what you need. But your dad didn't give a shit about you, did he? And that's why you're on the gear; the gear is your surrogate father.
Pete: What's this, shrink-time?
Johnny Quid: Come on, Pedro! I'm your sponsor...doctor...I'll be your dad if you feel a bit of regression coming on. But first we need a drink in our hands." Guy Ritchie, RockNRolla

 

[T&H]

Why? Are you part of the crowd that believes addiction is a disease and that you are powerless to it?

You are projecting your own inability to control yourself. If it hurts, don't post about yourself.

No, a choice. But I've learned that I can't recreationally take pain pills and uppers. Most people with past addictions will say they stay away and don't venture down the road in hopes they now can.

 

[Sworder]

No, a choice. But I've learned that I can't recreationally take pain pills and uppers. Most people with past addictions will say they stay away and don't venture down the road in hopes they now can.

What do you think is the root cause of addictions? Please don't give me the snowflake thing that everybody is different. I take cyanide, I die. You take cyanide, you die.

 

[T&H]

What do you think is the root cause of addictions? Please don't give me the snowflake thing that everybody is different. I take cyanide, I die. You take cyanide, you die.

I'm not trained nor having schooling to answer your question. And based on your comment above, neither are you. To tell someone with past opiate addiction that its 100 percent safe to take kratom is not wise.

 

[Sworder]

I'm not trained nor having schooling to answer your question. And based on your comment above, neither are you.

Total victim mindset, you did the whole drug program I see.

You come with remarks towards me but you have nothing to say. Ignore me if all my posts bother your inner self so much.

You don't think there is a common denominator with addictions?
So you are telling me that you had a great job, great family and upbringing, great wife and then all of a sudden you were shooting heroin? RIGHT!

To tell someone with past opiate addiction that its 100 percent safe to take kratom is not wise.

Safe? Define safe.
I have been a huge proponent of stating that kratom is an opiate and that it is addicting. Re-read the thread. Stop putting words in my mouth...

 

[T&H]

Total victim mindset, you did the whole drug program I see.

Honestly you come with remarks towards me but you have nothing to say.


Safe? Define safe.
I have been a huge proponent of stating that kratom is an opiate and that it is addicting. Re-read the thread. Stop putting words in my mouth...

I've read enough of your posts on meso that going back and forth with you is pointless. You can claim whatever you want, I don't care what you personally think.

 

[Sworder]

I've read enough of your posts on meso that going back and forth with you is pointless. You can claim whatever you want, I don't care what you personally think.

I hit the nail on the head obviously.

Yeah, you have been going back and forth with me for over an hour. Am sure you don't care what I think.

 

[Havah]

Why? Are you part of the crowd that believes addiction is a disease and that you are powerless to it?

You are projecting your own inability to control yourself. If it hurts, don't post about yourself.

"Johnny Quid: You wouldn't understand.
Pete: Why not?
Johnny Quid: Because you are street scum, Pete. You're in need of a good education, that's what you need. But your dad didn't give a shit about you, did he? And that's why you're on the gear; the gear is your surrogate father.
Pete: What's this, shrink-time?
Johnny Quid: Come on, Pedro! I'm your sponsor...doctor...I'll be your dad if you feel a bit of regression coming on. But first we need a drink in our hands." Guy Ritchie, RockNRolla

Addiction is a brain desease
Doesnt mean you are powerless to it

"Trauma causes addiction" lol my god, its merely a risk factor, and what do you call "trauma", half the population went through a tramatic event yet most of them have no addiction issue whatsoever

So clueless, its almost entertaining

Just because you annoy people doesnt mean you re on to something my dude, nobody likes a random jackass saying dumb things all day thinking hes got everything figured out

 

[Havah]

What do you think is the root cause of addictions? Please don't give me the snowflake thing that everybody is different. I take cyanide, I die. You take cyanide, you die.

There are numerous factors and the most important is (as often) the genetic factor

Why dont you open a book i mean this is like the basis

 

[slyfox115]

Just because you annoy people doesnt mean you re on to something my dude, nobody likes a random jackass saying dumb things all day thinking hes got everything figured out

This x 100. Another thread ruined by @Sworder. @Tiredandhot just try to ignore him....maybe we can salvage this thread.

 

[Sworder]

Addiction is a brain desease

Ah okay, what kind of a blood test does it show up on?

 

[FiEnD]

Ah okay, what kind of a blood test does it show up on?

Lol

 

[Havah]

Ah okay, what kind of a blood test does it show up on?

So thats your definition of a disease ?

Alzheimer isnt a disease aswell then, thats gucci

 

[Sworder]

So thats your definition of a disease ?

Alzheimer isnt a disease aswell then, thats gucci

Pretty much yes, if it is not verifiable by empirical data.

I would call addiction a behavioral disorder. I don't like hard labels, especially when people respect those labels then they tend to imprison themselves within it.

 

[chocolatemalt]

I've read enough of your posts on meso that going back and forth with you is pointless. You can claim whatever you want, I don't care what you personally think.

I'm new around here but learned quickly that he's the designated village idiot, a mindless troll. Best to simply ignore.

 

[buck]

Pretty much yes, if it is not verifiable by empirical data.

I would call addiction a behavioral disorder. I don't like hard labels, especially when people respect those labels then they tend to imprison themselves within it.

If you take away every one with a behavior disorder whether it be drugs, legal,illegal or over prescribed, food, over eating or not eating healthy, alcohol, dysfunctional relationships, cigarettes ,training to where damage is accruing and all the other things that are negative and brought on by behavior I don't find to many people left standing In this country.

 

[Sworder]

If you take away every one with a behavior disorder whether it be drugs, legal,illegal or over prescribed, food, over eating or not eating healthy, alcohol, dysfunctional relationships, cigarettes ,training to where damage is accruing and all the other things that are negative and brought on by behavior I don't find to many people left standing In this country.

I know it is appalling! Also, this is more of a middle class and lower class problem. America's upper class is doing a lot better.
Travel to Europe, they don't have the same problem. Why do you think that is?

 

[Havah]

I know it is appalling! Also, this is more of a middle class and lower class problem. America's upper class is doing a lot better.
Travel to Europe, they don't have the same problem. Why do you think that is?

Which problem does europe not have?