Lab Results

[michaltyler]

I ordered around the same time you did (before you actually), haven't received anything yet either... but I also haven't tried emailing every day since then lol. I know you're kinda sensitive so I won't be a dick, but give it time man. If I don't have my stuff by tomorrow night, I'll shoot him an email and ask for an update.

 

[spj]

Man its been 9 days since money was picked up from lataille and my tracking number still does not work. I have tried to email him for the last 7 days and he will not reapond. Idk whats up not saying hes scaming and hea not legit but dam wtf... Communication is awful... Idk whats up

http://www.osmworldwide.com/track-a-package try that tracking system, I've tried alot of them and they're all shitty. This is the only one that shows ever step that I could find any way. Good luck.

 

[Cml41987]

Nah its not the time... Just wish he would email me back cause im pretty sure he gave me the wrong tracking number...

 

[Burrr]

If you do enough of your own blood work you'll come up with your own rule.
Mine's 8.5x at 24 hours,
Go do some blood work and get your own rule!

 

[The Roman]

I know we all have this 10x rule to go by, and I know it is attainable, BUT there honestly just seems to be too many variables when comparing individuals' blood work. The physiological differences between patients, as well as the timing of the draw make it hard to compare against others'. If someone has consistent blood draws on Watson and TT reflects 10x, THEN he can go by the 10x rule on UGL gear assuming he follows the same timing protocol. But for everyone to expect 7x-10x on ANY gear (pharma or UGL), they must take into account all other variables. I know Doc Jim and Sally might disagree, but if everyone tested the same then there is a lot of underdosed pharma gear being prescribed...

are there some variables? sure. but in my opinion your serum level should never be under 8x provided your gear is dosed properly and you time the blood work properly. you are kidding yourselves if you think 2626 at 400mg is acceptable for pharma grade

If you do enough of your own blood work you'll come up with your own rule.
Mine's 8.5x at 24 hours,
Go do some blood work and get your own rule!

this is pretty hard to do unless you have a TRT script and can nail down exactly what your blood comes out to on an accurate dose, or you have a mass spec on your specific batch of UGL gear so you know exactly how much is in your vials

 

[Burrr]

you are kidding yourselves if you think 2626 at 400mg is acceptable for pharma grade



this is pretty hard to do

the 2626 was from the walmart pharmacy, how is that not acceptable.

Do bloodwork every cycle and you'll see a trend. Hopefully you'll get some decent gear at some point.

 

[ironwill1951]

i have been on trt for 6 years i have a script from a dr and i fill my script at walmart .
2626 is what i got from 400 mg a week , quit believing in all this bro science shit and look at real test results ...

 

[The Roman]

i have been on trt for 6 years i have a script from a dr and i fill my script at walmart .
2626 is what i got from 400 mg a week , quit believing in all this bro science shit and look at real test results ...

hey guys apparently Dr. Scally has been feeding us bro science with the 10x rule

there is another variable that is causing these low numbers. whether it be 24 hours vs 48, a delt pin vs quad/glute, a combination of those, or something else entirely

if 2600 is not a surprise to you people on 400mg of pharmaceutical grade testosterone, then you should be jumping for fucking joy when you pin "500mg" of UGL shit and your serum comes back at 2.5k. but you dont, we agree that anything under 8x is underdosed and should be avoided. this is no different. something doesn't add up here....literally

there are plenty of blood reports showing 10x on TRT

Having cared for many men taking 200 mg per week, the results are 1,000+ depending on the testing. If done within the first 2-3 days, levels around 2,000 ng/dL are typical.

and this is on a 200mg script, not 400mg. so you're telling me an additional 200mg only renders another 600 ng/dl? bull shit.

 

[Cml41987]

Lol ima just go out on a limb here and say... Maybe these dam test are the people doing the test and the machines that read the test are fukd and out of wAck and no giving accurate results... Somethings is going on

 

[ocman]

Are people supposed to be fasting on these tests, if so, are they?

 

[michaltyler]

@The Roman you named the most important variables there are! Both timing and injection site can drastically alter TT levels. You're kidding YOURself if you think everybody is the same. And another variable not yet mentioned in this thread: pre-cycle bloods! Until you can personally hop on an all pharma cycle and take bloods at a specific time, you can't know for sure what YOUR bloods SHOULD come back at while on properly dosed UGL gear

 

[The Roman]

Are people supposed to be fasting on these tests, if so, are they?

being fasted would not affect your testosterone serum levels assuming you are using an exogenous source of the hormone

@The Roman you named the most important variables there are! Both timing and injection site can drastically alter TT levels. You're kidding YOURself if you think everybody is the same. And another variable not yet mentioned in this thread: pre-cycle bloods! Until you can personally hop on an all pharma cycle and take bloods at a specific time, you can't know for sure what YOUR bloods SHOULD come back at while on properly dosed UGL gear

how many cycles someone has ran and what they produce naturally does not affect your testosterone serum levels while injecting exogenous hormones. Scally's rule gives you some leeway in that, at 48 hours post pin, your serum should be 8-10x, not strictly 10x, the amount injected. 6x is dismal at best

bottom line, 2626 on 400mg of test is low. i dont even know how you can debate that. if he had said his serum was 2626 on 400mg of UGL gear people would hop all over it screaming under dosed. but somehow it is exempt because he claims he got it from a pharmacy

 

[michaltyler]

I think it's safe to say that 2626 on 400mg of pharma would be considered underdosed IF he had multiple blood work at different times showing that he normally scores higher, and also if the quality of his gear was up for debate. But it's not. And he says he normally tests at that level. So the only other variable is the timing of his blood draw. I'm guessing that if he were to take bloods at 24, 48, and 72, ONE of the tests would come back at a higher level, BUT in this case does it really matter?? His gear isn't up for debate.. It's pharma Watson...

 

[Burrr]

but somehow it is exempt because he claims he got it from a pharmacy

I guess the only explanation is that Ironwill is a shill for walmart. Thanks for saving me from getting sucked into this walmart scam.

 

[The Roman]

I think it's safe to say that 2626 on 400mg of pharma would be considered underdosed IF he had multiple blood work at different times showing that he normally scores higher, and also if the quality of his gear was up for debate. But it's not. And he says he normally tests at that level. So the only other variable is the timing of his blood draw. I'm guessing that if he were to take bloods at 24, 48, and 72, ONE of the tests would come back at a higher level, BUT in this case does it really matter?? His gear isn't up for debate.. It's pharma Watson...

then hes leaving out a detail. i dont care who you are, unless you have some crazy disease, 2626 at 400mg is low

 

[The Roman]

If they reach 60% lately people are swarming them. That is how bad things have become. I think it has been stated several times by Dr. Scally and others that trt doses most likely will not follow the 8-10x rule. The rule is for high dosages 500mg and above per week unless my reading comprehension skills took a shit.

I thought I remembered reading the same thing, but I can't find where I read it...

I know we all have this 10x rule to go by, and I know it is attainable, BUT there honestly just seems to be too many variables when comparing individuals' blood work. The physiological differences between patients, as well as the timing of the draw make it hard to compare against others'. If someone has consistent blood draws on Watson and TT reflects 10x, THEN he can go by the 10x rule on UGL gear assuming he follows the same timing protocol. But for everyone to expect 7x-10x on ANY gear (pharma or UGL), they must take into account all other variables. I know Doc Jim and Sally might disagree, but if everyone tested the same then there is a lot of underdosed pharma gear being prescribed...

i feel i've been nice and have sugar coated my answers, but you are all being ignorant. you are trying to twist his poor pharma results (which are probably just a result of him getting blood drawn at 24 hours intsead of 48) to make yourselves feel better when your blood work comes back poorly on UGL gear.

"come up with your own rule"
no, follow the rule laid out by the expert in this field who devotes his time and professional life to studying this

"too many variables"
you are not a special snowflake. there are no unseen variables

"the rule is for high dosages"
no, its not. Scally himself stated that 10x works perfectly for TRT doses at 200mg

you're all lying to yourselves. you are trying to rewrite a rule written by a man who has far more education in the subject of TRT than any of us, and whos job it literally is to prescribe this to people and monitor it. 10x the amount injected 48 hours post. no if's, and's, butt's, and no special "variables"

 

[Cml41987]

Call me crazy but the world we live in is fukd. And when i say fukd i meand fukd so mch that maybe watson is underdosing their gear.. Hey look i know everyone will read this and say no way and not even think that could ever happen... But lets face it we r in a world where 747 crash into the ocean then just dissapear is it really that crazy to think that these big companies are scimping.... I mean you see it All the time in big billion dollar government regulated companies.... I mean look at enron are even the whole crash of the economy... Anyone who knows anything anout the economy and how it collapsed knows that so mch corruption was behind that.... For instance the sec... Wich is basicly the fda for wall st. Where were they when all these big brokerage firms scam billions from people.... I mean we all like to think that the fda is their checking every batch that goes out but likely of it is slim to none... Money is the root to all evil and i promise that these big companies like watson will make a little more from a little less if they can...

 

[Burrr]

(which are probably just a result of him getting blood drawn at 24 hours intsead of 48)
Oh, so it's possible to miss the peak with your blood work timing...... but only when running walmart watson?


"the rule is for high dosages"
no, its not. Scally himself stated that 10x works perfectly for TRT doses at 200mg

you're all lying to yourselves. you are trying to rewrite a rule written by a man who has far more education in the subject of TRT than any of us, and whos job it literally is to prescribe this to people and monitor it. 10x the amount injected 48 hours post. no if's, and's, butt's, and no special "variables"
If you are going to quote dr SCally, please quote him exactly. none of this paraphrasing bullshit.

 

[michaltyler]

"too many variables"
you are not a special snowflake. there are no unseen variables

Yea you're right, there are no variables. Except that there is, and you just admitted it. Timing. Also, the injection site DOES affect the timing, which in turn affects peak TT after injection. So depending on where he injected and when he got blood drawn, he could have just missed his peak. Which means 2626 is not low, it's just not the right timing. I have no reason to lie to myself in order to validate any underdosed UGL gear, but if someone on 400mg of Watson scored a 2626 then how can you argue that the 10x has no variables?? Clearly it does or he would have scored a 4000, right? Are you missing something, or are you just a little slow?

 

[The Roman]

Yea you're right, there are no variables. Except that there is, and you just admitted it. Timing. Also, the injection site DOES affect the timing, which in turn affects peak TT after injection. So depending on where he injected and when he got blood drawn, he could have just missed his peak. Which means 2626 is not low, it's just not the right timing. I have no reason to lie to myself in order to validate any underdosed UGL gear, but if someone on 400mg of Watson scored a 2626 then how can you argue that the 10x has no variables?? Clearly it does or he would have scored a 4000, right? Are you missing something, or are you just a little slow?

because he got the test done at 24 hours instead of 48, and i doubt it was exactly 24 hours anyway.

your primary argument was, "If someone has consistent blood draws on Watson and TT reflects 10x, THEN he can go by the 10x rule on UGL gear assuming he follows the same timing protocol. But for everyone to expect 7x-10x on ANY gear (pharma or UGL), they must take into account all other variables."

which simply isn't right. assuming one has enough brains to get blood work done properly to reflect the best results, 10x is the rule. you're implying that Joe might only get 6x and Bob will get 8x and Steve will get 10x because of some unknown variable even if they all followed the same testing protocol, and that if their blood work does come back at 6x, that they should simply live with that and accept it because they are a special snowflake and their body absorbs exogenous testosterone differently than everyone else