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The Roman said:
i feel i've been nice and have sugar coated my answers, but you are all being ignorant. you are trying to twist his poor pharma results (which are probably just a result of him getting blood drawn at 24 hours intsead of 48) to make yourselves feel better when your blood work comes back poorly on UGL gear.

"come up with your own rule"
no, follow the rule laid out by the expert in this field who devotes his time and professional life to studying this

"too many variables"
you are not a special snowflake. there are no unseen variables

"the rule is for high dosages"
no, its not. Scally himself stated that 10x works perfectly for TRT doses at 200mg

you're all lying to yourselves. you are trying to rewrite a rule written by a man who has far more education in the subject of TRT than any of us, and whos job it literally is to prescribe this to people and monitor it. 10x the amount injected 48 hours post. no if's, and's, butt's, and no special "variables"
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Roman try to calm yourself down some dude. I'll explain something to you that you seem to have overlooked. First off, it's not the 10x rule, it's the 7x-10x rule. And it's not a rule, it's an observation by Dr. Scally.
OK so there are variables that have bearings on lab results. For whatever reason, he came back with a ratio of .66, which sure looks awfully close to 7x don't you think.
Maybe he had his labs drawn too early, maybe the testosterone gods didn't like what he had for breakfast, who knows. Anyways, it sure looks to me like a respectable lab result. Bet if he took another one with all the variables correct, he may just break that 7x barrier.
 
The Roman said:
because he got the test done at 24 hours instead of 48, and i doubt it was exactly 24 hours anyway.

your primary argument was, "If someone has consistent blood draws on Watson and TT reflects 10x, THEN he can go by the 10x rule on UGL gear assuming he follows the same timing protocol. But for everyone to expect 7x-10x on ANY gear (pharma or UGL), they must take into account all other variables."

which simply isn't right. assuming one has enough brains to get blood work done properly to reflect the best results, 10x is the rule. you're implying that Joe might only get 6x and Bob will get 8x and Steve will get 10x because of some unknown variable even if they all followed the same testing protocol, and that if their blood work does come back at 6x, that they should simply live with that and accept it because they are a special snowflake and their body absorbs exogenous testosterone differently than everyone else
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Then explain to me why Boiler's TT levels were so much higher at 72 hours? In case you didn't know, he took bloods at 24, 48, and 72, and his 72 hr bloods were by far the highest.

In ironwills case, I agree that he probably got bloods done too early. But to start questioning his Watson is a bit of a stretch...
 
i dont talk like this much on this board but ill make a exception for you..you are a total fucking asshole..
how can you can argue with the test results, with you its dr scally this dr scally that , fuck you go suck his dick in private, maybe then he will explain to you what he really means ..

The Roman said:
because he got the test done at 24 hours instead of 48, and i doubt it was exactly 24 hours anyway.

your primary argument was, "If someone has consistent blood draws on Watson and TT reflects 10x, THEN he can go by the 10x rule on UGL gear assuming he follows the same timing protocol. But for everyone to expect 7x-10x on ANY gear (pharma or UGL), they must take into account all other variables."

which simply isn't right. assuming one has enough brains to get blood work done properly to reflect the best results, 10x is the rule. you're implying that Joe might only get 6x and Bob will get 8x and Steve will get 10x because of some unknown variable even if they all followed the same testing protocol, and that if their blood work does come back at 6x, that they should simply live with that and accept it because they are a special snowflake and their body absorbs exogenous testosterone differently than everyone else
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I like this thread, and I like the debate, can't understand for the life of me why people need to get so upset
 
Flounder said:
Roman try to calm yourself down some dude. I'll explain something to you that you seem to have overlooked. First off, it's not the 10x rule, it's the 7x-10x rule. And it's not a rule, it's an observation by Dr. Scally.
OK so there are variables that have bearings on lab results. For whatever reason, he came back with a ratio of .66, which sure looks awfully close to 7x don't you think.
Maybe he had his labs drawn too early, maybe the testosterone gods didn't like what he had for breakfast, who knows. Anyways, it sure looks to me like a respectable lab result. Bet if he took another one with all the variables correct, he may just break that 7x barrier.
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Id like to see what IWs bloods look like at 48 hours, honestly

I was a bit heated because people were so ready to accept his low reading as good results, im not for a second assuming a company like Watson underdoses their product (assuming he actually does have a script for it). And the rule is 8-10x i believe, not 7. And if it is 7, then no i dont think 6.6 is acceptable because where does it end? 6.5 is pretty close to 7, so is 6.1, and 5.9, etc

@ironwill1951 im not an asshole, i just look at everything objectively instead of believing in magical variables and individuality. 2626 at 400mg is not correct, either the lab fucked up or you fucked up
 
Um, you're the one NOT looking at things objectively. A Dr says he has observed 7x-10x TT level, and you take it as gold and follow blindly. Being objective means that you recognize the variables and account for them in your testing as opposed to seeing everything as black and white. Also, variables are not magical, they are a large part of every research study.
 
michaltyler said:
Um, you're the one NOT looking at things objectively. A Dr says he has observed 7x-10x TT level, and you take it as gold and follow blindly. Being objective means that you recognize the variables and account for them in your testing as opposed to seeing everything as black and white. Also, variables are not magical, they are a large part of every research study.
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what you ate, how much you slept, and whether or not your favorite team won the superbowl is not going to take a reading that should be 4000 and chop it nearly in half

Im willing to chalk this up to timing and on that note would like to know why someone would get blood drawn at 24 hours instead of 48 or 72
 
The Roman said:
what you ate, how much you slept, and whether or not your favorite team won the superbowl is not going to take a reading that should be 4000 and chop it nearly in half
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HAHA those aren't the variables I was referring to, and I think you know that... Injection site, timing, and individual physiology, on the other hand, are all key components (variables) in TT levels from exogenous test.

As for why Ironwill got blood drawn at 24hr, I'm guessing it is the normal time for him. If he tests at 6.6x at 24hr while on watson, then its safe to say that that's his comparative score. He can now base the quality of UGL gear on his TT levels at 24hr, and know that 6.6x is his goal TT level.
 
The Roman said:
Id like to see what IWs bloods look like at 48 hours, honestly

I was a bit heated because people were so ready to accept his low reading as good results, im not for a second assuming a company like Watson underdoses their product (assuming he actually does have a script for it). And the rule is 8-10x i believe, not 7. And if it is 7, then no i dont think 6.6 is acceptable because where does it end? 6.5 is pretty close to 7, so is 6.1, and 5.9, etc

@ironwill1951 im not an asshole, i just look at everything objectively instead of believing in magical variables and individuality. 2626 at 400mg is not correct, either the lab fucked up or you fucked up
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There are variables that are not debated because it is a basis of the test itself.
That is blood volume, the test is based on ng/dl therefore a person with more blood will have a lower ng per dl than a person with less.

Think Burr pointed this out and had a nice link, here it is.

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/one-pharma-bulk-cyp.134359246/page-52#post-1203272
 
michaltyler said:
HAHA those aren't the variables I was referring to, and I think you know that... Injection site, timing, and individual physiology, on the other hand, are all key components (variables) in TT levels from exogenous test.

As for why Ironwill got blood drawn at 24hr, I'm guessing it is the normal time for him. If he tests at 6.6x at 24hr while on watson, then its safe to say that that's his comparative score. He can now base the quality of UGL gear on his TT levels at 24hr, and know that 6.6x is his goal TT level.
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bold is very true

but for the "variables" i dont even think those are variables, its just negligence. its like saying a group of 10 people were given a drug and tested for it 2 days later...except one guy who we tested 1 day later because he wanted to
 
I'll say it again, if you are going to quote Dr Scally please use the quote function.

I do bloods at 24 hours and see good numbers at that time, who says that 48 is the "correct" time to catch a peak level?
Roman, You must have a collection of your own blood work by now. How do your numbers stack up? How often do you see 10x?
 
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