[Labmax] Pharmacom Dianabolos 10 (methandrostenolone) 24-OCT-2015

[RThoads]

Dianabol (methandrostenolone) 10 mg Tabs
I used a pill cutter and divided one tablet into equal halves; then I smashed up one half between two clean spoons and divided that powered into equal fourths. One of these portions went into each LM vial (thus, 1/4 of 1/2 a tab which is approximately 1/8 of a tab or 1.25 mg dbol).

Your opinion is appreciated -- please comment on what you think about this result.

The pics very accurately match the actual color I observed in person.
I am not commenting on my personal conclusion because I do not want to influence people's own opinion.

A video is also linked which films the entire 30+ mins of this LM.

This product was ordered Oct 2015 and I apologize but I do not have the batch number as I reserved a few tabs to LM and shipped the rest with the original packaging to Simec for HPLC (I will post those results when they are available). I have not yet used this product myself and I am not recommending nor am I bashing any product or source--this is neutral information that you may use as you wish to make your own choices and I have no way to know if your batch will or will not be the same as mine.

Finally, if you do not like my pics, vid, or procedure, or you do not appreciate my time/money/risk regarding submissions to Simec, I do respect you have your own opinion and I simply ask that you please post your own LM and submit your own sample to Simec as you see fit as I have done the best I can with the resource and room I have available.

approx 1 min (the timer ran a bit before everything was added) after dropping into the LM vial (matches the instantaneous color which can be seen in the vid):

approx 2 mins:

approx 5 mins:

approx 5 mins with UV:

approx 15 mins with UV and lights off:

approx 15 mins with UV and lights from another angle:

video of entire LM test:



Labmax's own reference video (NOT my work):
Video Removed - No longer available

 

[ebkallday]

Dianabol (methandrostenolone) 10 mg Tabs
I used a pill cutter and divided one tablet into equal halves; then I smashed up one half between two clean spoons and divided that powered into equal fourths. One of these portions went into each LM vial (thus, 1/4 of 1/2 a tab which is approximately 1/8 of a tab or 1.25 mg dbol).

Your opinion is appreciated -- please comment on what you think about this result.

The pics very accurately match the actual color I observed in person.
I am not commenting on my personal conclusion because I do not want to influence people's own opinion.

A video is also linked which films the entire 30+ mins of this LM.

This product was ordered Oct 2015 and I apologize but I do not have the batch number as I reserved a few tabs to LM and shipped the rest with the original packaging to Simec for HPLC (I will post those results when they are available). I have not yet used this product myself and I am not recommending nor am I bashing any product or source--this is neutral information that you may use as you wish to make your own choices and I have no way to know if your batch will or will not be the same as mine.

Finally, if you do not like my pics, vid, or procedure, or you do not appreciate my time/money/risk regarding submissions to Simec, I do respect you have your own opinion and I simply ask that you please post your own LM and submit your own sample to Simec as you see fit as I have done the best I can with the resource and room I have available.

approx 1 min (the timer ran a bit before everything was added) after dropping into the LM vial (matches the instantaneous color which can be seen in the vid):

approx 2 mins:

approx 5 mins:

approx 5 mins with UV:

approx 15 mins with UV and lights off:

approx 15 mins with UV and lights from another angle:

video of entire LM test:



Labmax's own reference video (NOT my work):
Video Removed - No longer available

Definately dbol. Thank you, and I will be looking forward to the SIMEC results. Never seen lab tests on dbol tabs before (One that I could trust to be real).

 

[IronJulius]

im going to be starting some pharmacom dbol probably next wednesday. thanks for making me even more secure

 

[bickel29]

Okay RT - THIS is going to be a phenomenal contribution when combined with the SIMEC results, as we will be able to compare how accurate the Labmax results compared to the Simec results.

@Millard Baker , others and myself have previously discussed the possibilities of having the same product from the same batch tested by Labmax, Mass Spec, and bloods in an effort to compare the results from all 3 and see how similar or varying the results would be. Obviously, with dbol we will not have blood tests to compare with, but the fact that we will have Simec and Labmax results to compare is awesome.

Once again, THANK YOU RThoads for the very valuable contribution and for spending the money to do this!!!

 

[Serpent]

Thank you!

 

[Bone Gristle]

Awesome work man!

Really appreciate the time, effort and money put into helping out the community.

 

[crossfitisgay]

dude.... all these contributions you're making me look bad!! thanks bud!

 

[Frank the tank 456]

Thanks bro!!!

 

[biggerben69]

As my friend bickel stated....VALUABLE. I've been kicking labmax around the board as of late. Up until you moved on it like this the results from labmax have meant nothing. In conjunction with real science it may begin to prove itself or start the home stretch to being nothing but a bad memory to 99% of us. The other 1% got paid for being the creators of it and those that have rights to it.
Maybe its been answered before but who's behind labmax and its design? I want names. Shouldn't be the toughest nut to crack.
@bickel29 I'm about to hit you up, partner.

 

[Millard]

Okay RT - THIS is going to be a phenomenal contribution when combined with the SIMEC results, as we will be able to compare how accurate the Labmax results compared to the Simec results.

@Millard Baker , others and myself have previously discussed the possibilities of having the same product from the same batch tested by Labmax, Mass Spec, and bloods in an effort to compare the results from all 3 and see how similar or varying the results would be. Obviously, with dbol we will not have blood tests to compare with, but the fact that we will have Simec and Labmax results to compare is awesome.

Once again, THANK YOU RThoads for the very valuable contribution and for spending the money to do this!!!

Who would you propose to do the labmax testing? Should their identity be public/private? These are a few questions. What would be the absolutely best way to do this?

 

[bickel29]

@Millard Baker

Well, in this case, RThoads has taken a pack of product, pulled a few dbol tabs out to do the Labmax test himself, and sent the rest to Simec on his own dime. So RT, in this case, is doing both the Labmax AND sending out to Simec.

In the future, I guess we would have to discuss what would be the most trustworthy way to do similar cross-testing.

For what it's worth, I have a high level of trust for @RThoads . He has been here almost a year and him and I have been 'Meso friends' since shortly after he joined.

 

[jJjburton]

Nice job. Thnks.

 

[RThoads]

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@Millard Baker

Well, in this case, RThoads has taken a pack of product, pulled a few dbol tabs out to do the Labmax test himself, and sent the rest to Simec on his own dime. So RT, in this case, is doing both the Labmax AND sending out to Simec.

In the future, I guess we would have to discuss what would be the most trustworthy way to do similar cross-testing.

For what it's worth, I have a high level of trust for @RThoads . He has been here almost a year and him and I have been 'Meso friends' since shortly after he joined.

thanks for the kinds words brother, I appreciate it.

I am very happy if any results good or bad help the community here because this is the only place I really trust and feel is not pushing the interests of a select few that fund it (I am on many other boards and most notably was discouraged on Evo by the push of some things that are not even relevant to people's goals half the time they are recommended/pushed).

With that said, I am also no charitable saint haha
To be honest I just needed to test the select few things I have tested because of myself being torn between conflicting feedback on the boards or a lack of any results coming from individuals I know and/or trust.

This dbol for example, I have seen people say it is the best ever--most amazing dbol since real naps etc... that 3 a day and your pumps are so much you can not handle more.
Then to contrast, I have also read that it is total bunk; people claim to take 8 tabs in a day and still feel nothing (think that post was here on MESO), and this one not just one negative review as I have read many.

I can not afford to LM every vial or every box of everything I ever will get (I just pick a random or questionable sample for peace of mind) and no way to continuously send to Simec (I used it only for those really debated cases that can not be resolved any other way). I do get bloodwork pre and mid and always will to take care of my health the right way. I share the info/results when I get some because I appreciate all that I get to learn here from others that have done the same.

On a side note:
I have noticed a couple sources offering to pick up the Simec costs for random submissions because they stand behind their product, and I hope this is a trend that will become standard. As for myself, Frank did reimburse me for the NPP costs instantly with zero hesitation when I proved to him I had truly sent an unopened vial and showed the invoice--I hope and expect he would do that same here and I will post a brief update in his thread if/when he does (or if for some odd reason he does not I would share that). 24k also stated he is in support of random customer submissions and more details on that can be found in his thread.

ok, enough out of me with my big wall of text.
Thanks again everyone that has been supportive

 

[RThoads]

Who would you propose to do the labmax testing? Should their identity be public/private? These are a few questions. What would be the absolutely best way to do this?

some of my thoughts

Could we just have whomever sends it to Simec simply LM it first to give that additional data/info and to see how consistent LM results are?

This would not be perfect in the case of vials though because we want new sealed vials submitted to eliminate any debate regarding possible tampering.

However, in my case here with the dbol it was not any issue because the tabs are in a blister pack so I removed two rows to do my own testing and sent the rest to Simec.
With my NPP I did not send the same vial as I used for the LM; I had opened an NPP to use and ran the LM on it. The NPP LM results were questionable so I sent a new unopened vial from the same order because that was the best I could do (but not the exact actual same vial).

In the case of anaboliclab, or any non-individual larger scale testing, the identity of the buying.tester would have to be private to ensure sources do not identify that customer and selectively scam. Actual individuals that are not associated with any larger project or program would simply make up his or her own mind regarding their anonymity.

 

[PHL Official]

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thanks for the kinds words brother, I appreciate it.

I am very happy if any results good or bad help the community here because this is the only place I really trust and feel is not pushing the interests of a select few that fund it (I am on many other boards and most notably was discouraged on Evo by the push of some things that are not even relevant to people's goals half the time they are recommended/pushed).

With that said, I am also no charitable saint haha
To be honest I just needed to test the select few things I have tested because of myself being torn between conflicting feedback on the boards or a lack of any results coming from individuals I know and/or trust.

This dbol for example, I have seen people say it is the best ever--most amazing dbol since real naps etc... that 3 a day and your pumps are so much you can not handle more.
Then to contrast, I have also read that it is total bunk; people claim to take 8 tabs in a day and still feel nothing (think that post was here on MESO), and this one not just one negative review as I have read many.

I can not afford to LM every vial or every box of everything I ever will get (I just pick a random or questionable sample for peace of mind) and no way to continuously send to Simec (I used it only for those really debated cases that can not be resolved any other way). I do get bloodwork pre and mid and always will to take care of my health the right way. I share the info/results when I get some because I appreciate all that I get to learn here from others that have done the same.

On a side note:
I have noticed a couple sources offering to pick up the Simec costs for random submissions because they stand behind their product, and I hope this is a trend that will become standard. As for myself, Frank did reimburse me for the NPP costs instantly with zero hesitation when I proved to him I had truly sent an unopened vial and showed the invoice--I hope and expect he would do that same here and I will post a brief update in his thread if/when he does (or if for some odd reason he does not I would share that). 24k also stated he is in support of random customer submissions and more details on that can be found in his thread.

ok, enough out of me with my big wall of text.
Thanks again everyone that has been supportive

don`t worry RT. You will be reimbursed. As well as other members who offer to send their items to Simec and inform me in advance. if someone has a wish, let me know. It would be great if we tested as wide range of products as possible. for the beginning i offer to reimburse first 20 persons, who will have a wish to test his Pharmacom gear ordered in our store.

 

[jJjburton]

I honestly think the mixes are probably great to labmax. They have all the compoounds in them so if they are good then other product would be right?. Does Simec show induvidual compounds?
But DBOl was a great send lol.

 

[penche]

@RThoads appreciate the contribution man, very valuable info you have provided. Thank you sir.

 

[LifeSTRONG]

RT doing big things for community!! [emoji322][emoji323] thanks brother!

 

[trying to get big]

Thanks RT!!!! You're a.good example for how much contributions help for the good of the whole.

 

[Wunderpus]

I honestly think the mixes are probably great to labmax. They have all the compoounds in them so if they are good then other product would be right?. Does Simec show induvidual compounds?
But DBOl was a great send lol.

You can't labmax blends man... I also think simec would be, for example, 3X more expensive to test a 3 compound blend (honestly, I don't know if they can even do that?).

But it would be nice, as blends are oftentimes labeled as the shittier/lesser quality version than blending your own.

Also, @Millard Baker I have been told the at Simec cannot test masteron. Can you confirm whether or not that is true? If it is, or may be, why would that be the case?

Thanks!