Lean Bulk Cycle Advice

[permission to land]

Hi all.

Just after some advice. Hoping to be 10% bodyfat when I start this (end of Sept) and want to do a 12 week lean bulk.

I want to add as much tissue as I can with as little fat as I can. I don’t want to simply blow up, I just want to stay a similar bodyfat but add some quality muscle. I know this will be diet dependent and a focus on my macros and calories will be at an all time high to ensure I don’t overeat. In the past I’ve just got fat when bulking by overeating, albiet mostly clean food.

Here is it planned cycle. I’m thinking of this as a quite a dry cycle than uses compounds that gel well together and it’s not ovally complicated or silly in terms of doses. All copounds are long ester.

The Tren will be there to help with essentially keeping the fat low. Even 50mg a week can help with nutrition partitioning.

Test: 200mg
Mast: 400mg
Tren: 50mg - 100mg (unsure which yet)

I’ve sacked orals off and don’t bother with them anymore.

What’s everyone think. With my goals (dry, lean tissue, no water and or fat), to this cycle. Would you change anything?

Thanks.

 

[Jaxino]

Hi all.

Just after some advice. Hoping to be 10% bodyfat when I start this (end of Sept) and want to do a 12 week lean bulk.

I want to add as much tissue as I can with as little fat as I can. I don’t want to simply blow up, I just want to stay a similar bodyfat but add some quality muscle. I know this will be diet dependent and a focus on my macros and calories will be at an all time high to ensure I don’t overeat. In the past I’ve just got fat when bulking by overeating, albiet mostly clean food.

Here is it planned cycle. I’m thinking of this as a quite a dry cycle than uses compounds that gel well together and it’s not ovally complicated or silly in terms of doses. All copounds are long ester.

The Tren will be there to help with essentially keeping the fat low. Even 50mg a week can help with nutrition partitioning.

Test: 200mg
Mast: 400mg
Tren: 50mg - 100mg (unsure which yet)

I’ve sacked orals off and don’t bother with them anymore.

What’s everyone think. With my goals (dry, lean tissue, no water and or fat), to this cycle. Would you change anything?

Thanks.

it's the shittiest useless cycle someone can do.... not to mention the doses....

With all the information you can find online the best that people can do is that? really.....

And to answer you there's NO LEAN BULK, theres only you eat enough to grow. Steroids won't keep you lean, you should already know that.

 

[BigTomJ]

I dont like tren in a growth phase.
Id personally lean towards NPP, EQ, or just higher mast/primo.

that being said, your dosages are reasonable and outside of my personal preference i dont see any real issue.

Do you plan on using GH?

 

[permission to land]

I dont like tren in a growth phase.
Id personally lean towards NPP, EQ, or just higher mast/primo.

that being said, your dosages are reasonable and outside of my personal preference i dont see any real issue.

Do you plan on using GH?

I don’t no. It’s too expensive for the results based on research. Also heavily faked and underdosed. Just don’t need the hassle. I’m gonna eat clean, lift hard, sleep well and try to add some lean size. The tren is purely for keeping fat at bay along with good diet.

 

[BigTomJ]

It’s too expensive for the results based on research.

The oldschool mentality of "pharma or nothing" is outdated by todays standards, quality generics can be found in the 1-2$ per IU range, and just 2-4iu makes a huge difference in body comp.

Also heavily faked and underdosed.

This used to be very true, but in todays underground scene, with the prevalence of 3rd party testing we see this isnt so common anymore.
There are quite a number of generics that have consistently shown high quality purity and dosing.

Im not trying to convince you in any way, just maybe shed some light on perhaps some dated misconceptions. If its not for you or in your plan, there's no issue there.

 

[permission to land]

The oldschool mentality of "pharma or nothing" is outdated by todays standards, quality generics can be found in the 1-2$ per IU range, and just 2-4iu makes a huge difference in body comp.

This used to be very true, but in todays underground scene, with the prevalence of 3rd party testing we see this isnt so common anymore.
There are quite a number of generics that have consistently shown high quality purity and dosing.

Im not trying to convince you in any way, just maybe shed some light on perhaps some dated misconceptions. If its not for you or in your plan, there's no issue there.

Would be interesting to see how 2iU per day would help in a 12 week bulk. Whats your thoughts?

 

[narta]

Would be interesting to see how 2iU per day would help in a 12 week bulk. Whats your thoughts?

It will somewhat help with keeping the fat off if you are deficient (40+ yrs)

 

[BigTomJ]

Would be interesting to see how 2iU per day would help in a 12 week bulk. Whats your thoughts?

like narta said itll help if youre deficient, but GH is more of a long term investment. I would expect slightly better bodycomp and recovery but i wouldnt just go for 12 weeks, id continue it into your cruise/health/cut period as well

 

[jj89]

Would be interesting to see how 2iU per day would help in a 12 week bulk. Whats your thoughts?

Depending on the sides you get with tren, the gh might be more effective for that.

Looks like a good plan overall though, I'd go longer than 12 weeks.

 

[permission to land]

it's the shittiest useless cycle someone can do.... not to mention the doses....

With all the information you can find online the best that people can do is that? really.....

And to answer you there's NO LEAN BULK, theres only you eat enough to grow. Steroids won't keep you lean, you should already know that.

Why is Test Tren and Mast a shit useless cycle. 3 compounds that synergie well at moderate doses. If you’re going to come on here being negative, at least add something constructive?

 

[Ryu82]

Also not a fan of tren in a growth phase but your gonna do you and learn what works best for you. I do know a lot of guys that use low dose tren during a growth phase and like it. Tren just winds me too much even at low doses.

Personally (without knowing your experience level) I would just run the test and mast with some GH on top. Maybe some NPP. No orals.

I would also be running things at higher doses then you but then again, I don't know much about you.

 

[Eddie.]

I don't like this at all, first things first tren has no place in off season. Test should be higher than other anabolics, especially for off season. Mast in a growth phase..it seems there's only a handful of people (if any) that can grow direct from masteron, so you rely growing on 200 test which is not gonna happen.

Also clean bulk is not a thing, it's like saying dirty cutting. You either bulk or maintain or cut. If you want to bulk you need to be in a surplas and put on muscle tissue, fat and water. There's no way around it, otherwise everyone in this sport would only put lean tissue without the need to go in cutting phase ever again.

You think pros don't get fat? It seems like they're not because they start bulking from 4% bodyfat but end up in 10-12%. So technically someone at 100kg with 4% has 4kg of fat and if he end up 115kg with 10% that equals 11,5kg of fat. So he might gain 7,5kg of fat and the other 7,5kg is muscle tissue and water. It's just an illusion of "clean bulk" because at 12% bodyfat they're still very lean compared to us average gymbros.

If you start at 10% bodyfat you'll end up at maybe 16-17% depends on your surplas, gear, cardio, bulk length and obviously diet. If you want to add mass don't be afraid to get blurred and a little chubby, when you cut down after it will worth the hassle.

 

[explodingHeart]

seems there's only a handful of people (if any) that can grow direct from masteron, so you rely growing on 200 test which is not gonna happen.

I tried for six months, about 200mg test 800 mast. It kept bloat / water down and made it look like I wasn't taking anything, zero sides.

But I could access almost zero gains. I train to failure usually and damn near zero progress.


I'm not afraid to admit I have shitty genetics, but last time I did 750mg test + AI, I kept getting stronger nearly every month.

 

[eery]

I tried for six months, about 200mg test 800 mast. It kept bloat / water down and made it look like I wasn't taking anything, zero sides.

But I could access almost zero gains. I train to failure usually and damn near zero progress.


I'm not afraid to admit I have shitty genetics, but last time I did 750mg test + AI, I kept getting stronger nearly every month.

Sounds like you didnt eat enough to me. How is your diet and macros looking?

Personally i would up the test, maybe add some EQ and 4-10iu GH. If you dont get any negatives from 100mg tren, i dont see an issue in having that in the cycle either. 400-600mg masteron is always a good addition to a stack as well.

 

[explodingHeart]

Sounds like you didnt eat enough to me. How is your diet and macros looking?

Personally i would up the test, maybe add some EQ and 4-10iu GH. If you dont get any negatives from 100mg tren, i dont see an issue in having that in the cycle either. 400-600mg masteron is always a good addition to a stack as well.

bulked, tracked calories daily, gained pure fat because when I dieted back down, no new muscle tissue

honestly, at this point I wouldn't count primo/mast as part of a cycle. I'd classify it as ancillaries.

this is just my opinion. feel free to disagree. i understand it works for others.

 

[egruberman]

There's a reason most pros are using test, primo, and GH in the offseason. 12 weeks is pointless and those doses are ridiculous.

GH will help tremendously with nutrient partitioning. If you can get to 8-10 iu without fucking up your insulin sensitivity, do it. Throw in as much test as you can stand, escalating doses to the mid-point of your cycle. Add in as much primo as necessary to keep e2 in range. Keep the calories in check. Hit the protein above all else, ratchet up the carbs on big days, like leg day or whatever, otherwise keep fats low and carbs low on off days.

 

[Eddie.]

bulked, tracked calories daily, gained pure fat because when I dieted back down, no new muscle tissue

honestly, at this point I wouldn't count primo/mast as part of a cycle. I'd classify it as ancillaries.

this is just my opinion. feel free to disagree. i understand it works for others.

I believe you. Mast makes everyone look and feel nice on cycle, but does it grow them? Because in the off season that's the point! People can add mast but don't count it's milligrams as a grower.. eg, you want 800mg of gear to grow? Take 800mg of test + 400 mast, or 500 test, 300npp, 400 mast. Relying on 200mg test and 800 mast to grow sounds absurd to me.

 

[marsupial]

it's the shittiest useless cycle someone can do.... not to mention the doses....

With all the information you can find online the best that people can do is that? really.....

And to answer you there's NO LEAN BULK, theres only you eat enough to grow. Steroids won't keep you lean, you should already know that.

Lmao you’d be surprised at the sheer number of people who think exactly 1 cycle will turn them into a 10% bodyfat fitness influencer. Then their cycle ends and they get a yuge reality check

 

[marsupial]

Hi all.

Just after some advice. Hoping to be 10% bodyfat when I start this (end of Sept) and want to do a 12 week lean bulk.

I want to add as much tissue as I can with as little fat as I can. I don’t want to simply blow up, I just want to stay a similar bodyfat but add some quality muscle. I know this will be diet dependent and a focus on my macros and calories will be at an all time high to ensure I don’t overeat. In the past I’ve just got fat when bulking by overeating, albiet mostly clean food.

Here is it planned cycle. I’m thinking of this as a quite a dry cycle than uses compounds that gel well together and it’s not ovally complicated or silly in terms of doses. All copounds are long ester.

The Tren will be there to help with essentially keeping the fat low. Even 50mg a week can help with nutrition partitioning.

Test: 200mg
Mast: 400mg
Tren: 50mg - 100mg (unsure which yet)

I’ve sacked orals off and don’t bother with them anymore.

What’s everyone think. With my goals (dry, lean tissue, no water and or fat), to this cycle. Would you change anything?

Thanks.

You’ve prob never even cycled for real before. You need to start with test only and use an AI to control estrogen. 350/wk and 16 week minimum or you’re wasting your time, and with your approach at least 60% of it won’t even be there when it’s time to come off or cruise. If 16w minimum you can maybe hope to keep 60% of just the lean tissue gained (which will likely be under 12 lbs and will likely appear underwhelming compared to on cycle and in spite of the fact that you’ll be up 10 ish lbs of lean muscle from before). The water gains from test will leave shortly after blast is done. Additionally, some tissue will wear off gradually over multiple months if you come off to natural levels. You’ll keep the tissue by cruising but of course likely hurting your health more in the long run

 

[marsupial]

I tried for six months, about 200mg test 800 mast. It kept bloat / water down and made it look like I wasn't taking anything, zero sides.

But I could access almost zero gains. I train to failure usually and damn near zero progress.


I'm not afraid to admit I have shitty genetics, but last time I did 750mg test + AI, I kept getting stronger nearly every month.

I wouldn’t call that shitty lol. It’s pretty normal to not get any meaningful anabolism from primo or mast. Most people are better off using minimum dose for estrogen control and or cosmetics