LIPIDS- HDL/LDL

Do statins work yes but look up all the studies on them. They are just another big pharma money maker and my own father has been on them his half his whole life has has had 2 major health issues.Joe rogan just had a doctor on who said they may increase your life by 3 days and not having a heart attack by 1% I believe. Im not saying dont take them but since Ive gotten off them im less sore and my blood is just as good with all fish oil etc im taking.Maybe i didnt find the right one but atorvastatin for me sucked thats all im saying.I bought olive and avocado oil from costco the avocado does have mct and chia.I eat at least a avocado a day and lots walnuts.I dont use a lot of salt either. Look up Statins on youtube tons of smart Doctors talking about them good and bad.
 
Do statins work yes but look up all the studies on them. They are just another big pharma money maker and my own father has been on them his half his whole life has has had 2 major health issues.Joe rogan just had a doctor on who said they may increase your life by 3 days and not having a heart attack by 1% I believe. Im not saying dont take them but since Ive gotten off them im less sore and my blood is just as good with all fish oil etc im taking.Maybe i didnt find the right one but atorvastatin for me sucked thats all im saying.I bought olive and avocado oil from costco the avocado does have mct and chia.I eat at least a avocado a day and lots walnuts.I dont use a lot of salt either. Look up Statins on youtube tons of smart Doctors talking about them good and bad.

I invite you to post links to any of these aforementioned studies. Referencing a Joe Rogan podcast isn't the same thing at all. A doctor on Joe Rogan?

One of the main problems with statins is that they are prescribed on the basis of clinical trials which were all done on populations at very high risk with the intention of validating their use as primary prevention of MACE (major adverse cardiac events). This is effectively attempting to prevent the symptom and not the disease itself. Though there are still plenty of data on the prevention of ASCVD, there's nothing in the standard of care. As such, only the strongest statins are prescribed and generally at doses that are way out on the flat part of the does response curve. This, unfortunately intensifies the frequency of side effects. Google image search "statins dose response curve" to see what I mean.

There are other more effective statins that one can start at lower doses that produce fewer side effects. Pravastatin is the mildest, in terms of side effects, but it's less efficacious than others. Rosuvastatin is as effective and also seems to be more well-tolerated than atorvastatin and reaches 80% of it's maximal efficacy at around 5mg.

Nobody is in the pocket of big pharma when it comes to statins. Rosuvastatin, for example costs about $12/month self pay.

Want to manage your lipids, then measure your ApoB and keep it under the 20th percentile or around 80mg/dL. Repatha is a fine alternative to statins in this regard and works on Lp(a) as well, but it's expensive as hell. For those that can't get Repatha, some combo of statin, ezetimibe, and bempedoic acid should do the trick. Folks that have FH or a family history of heart disease, high BP, or other high risk conditions should probably manager their ApoB down to 5th percentile or lower than 60mg/dL.
 
Nobody is in the pocket of big pharma when it comes to statins. Rosuvastatin, for example costs about $12/month self pay.
Hell, I get mine for free. My insurance has certain medications that are considered preventative care and cost me $0. It's $2.50 at Walmart for 30 days of Rosuvastatin with a GoodRx coupon.
 
I'm on test 400 and var 50mgs.

Var will lower lipids. What's the best supplement for lipids and liver/kidneys

I do have repatha 140 injection I can use but need something for liver and kidneys and increase HDL. Fish oil never seems to help.
Maybe virgin olive oil tablespoons once a day?? I've read it works wonders.

Ah the evergreen topic of lipids, statins and aas use. Probably already answered a million of times on the forums but yet again and again, the same topic arises with the same uneducated arguments against this or that statin and with the same asinine recommendations of useless supplements.

First of all, all aas lower HDL as they increase the activity of hepatic triglyceride lipase. It's not just anavar, it's also the 400 mg's of test that you're using. Yes, some aas are bigger offenders then others, especially the non aromatizing ones, as estrogen does help in offsetting the androgens negative effect's.

What you need to take care on cycle is inflammation. Inflammation + bad lipids = plaque. Statins lower inflammation and lower lipids. Try a very low dose of rosuvastatin. 5mg x 2 week. If you're a good responder, it will halve your ldl with zero side effects.

The story does not end at measuring only LDL and HDL. For anybody who is more serious about lipid management, you should also measure apolipoprotein A1 and lipoprotein A. You could also add apo B ... And while you're at it, check your CRP (hsCRP).

@PeterBond has a nice short article about aas effects on lipids I suggest everybody reads: The effects of anabolic steroids on blood lipids
 
If any normies want to dig into statins and other Cholesterol control methods, Peter Attia digs in pretty deep. Some of his regular pod episodes and also the paid AMA's he really covers a ton of ground on what works, what doesn't, what he personally recommends, etc. Spending the time listening to those can take away a lot of the 'statins don't work' bro talk we see a lot on here from people scared of anything that comes from a pharmaceutical company.
 
Maybe injectable dbol is better for pump
Try krill oil instead of fish oil. I also like EITHER citrus bergamot OR red yeast rice (only one or the other), NAC and TUDCA for liver, turmeric for all around inflammation, and yes I would add olive oil into your daily meals. lots of cardio as well
@buzzingonaas
why one or the other? I have krill oil supplements but not sure how strong it is. I do take olive oil. what's the reason on citrus bergamot or red yeast rice? Why can't I take both? I do have citrus bergamot I'll add.
So it will be citrus bergamot daily, 2 tablespoons olive oil, krill oil supplements and nac/tudca for liver and repatha for lowering LDL
 
If any normies want to dig into statins and other Cholesterol control methods, Peter Attia digs in pretty deep. Some of his regular pod episodes and also the paid AMA's he really covers a ton of ground on what works, what doesn't, what he personally recommends, etc. Spending the time listening to those can take away a lot of the 'statins don't work' bro talk we see a lot on here from people scared of anything that comes from a pharmaceutical company.
I use repatha. It's a pksk9 drug. Similar to statin. Stronger. Inject subq every 2 weeks
 
Ah the evergreen topic of lipids, statins and aas use. Probably already answered a million of times on the forums but yet again and again, the same topic arises with the same uneducated arguments against this or that statin and with the same asinine recommendations of useless supplements.

First of all, all aas lower HDL as they increase the activity of hepatic triglyceride lipase. It's not just anavar, it's also the 400 mg's of test that you're using. Yes, some aas are bigger offenders then others, especially the non aromatizing ones, as estrogen does help in offsetting the androgens negative effect's.

What you need to take care on cycle is inflammation. Inflammation + bad lipids = plaque. Statins lower inflammation and lower lipids. Try a very low dose of rosuvastatin. 5mg x 2 week. If you're a good responder, it will halve your ldl with zero side effects.

The story does not end at measuring only LDL and HDL. For anybody who is more serious about lipid management, you should also measure apolipoprotein A1 and lipoprotein A. You could also add apo B ... And while you're at it, check your CRP (hsCRP).

@PeterBond has a nice short article about aas effects on lipids I suggest everybody reads: The effects of anabolic steroids on blood lipids
Excellent post as usual.

In the immortal words of Ronnie Coleman:.

Everybody wants to be a bodybuilder but nobody wants to open any heavy ass books.

for those wanting more in addition the great material @Jin23 shared.


You can see how that thread ended, sigh. But I do concur with @Type-IIx that @Scruf 's spreadsheet is awesome. Sounds like he is in good hands.
 
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A good set of examples with oxandrolone [sorry they are now behind member firewall but easy to access]. 50 mg/day of oxandrolone for 4 weeks will destroy many/most person's NMR lipid particle counts and trig/hdl-c ratio.



I just finishing up 50 mg/day of oxandrolone for 6 weeks. I'll share apo A1/B results when I have the data set.
 
A good set of examples with oxandrolone [sorry they are now behind member firewall but easy to access]. 50 mg/day of oxandrolone for 4 weeks will destroy many/most person's NMR lipid particle counts and trig/hdl-c ratio.



I just finishing up 50 mg/day of oxandrolone for 6 weeks. I'll share apo A1/B results when I have the data

A good set of examples with oxandrolone [sorry they are now behind member firewall but easy to access]. 50 mg/day of oxandrolone for 4 weeks will destroy many/most person's NMR lipid particle counts and trig/hdl-c ratio.



I just finishing up 50 mg/day of oxandrolone for 6 weeks. I'll share apo A1/B results when I have the data set.
Article sounds interesting. Maybe I'll stick to 25mg to minimize effects. I build easily
 
Ok maybe I shouldnt of said bullshit but big pharma makes $11-19 billion dollars a year off of statins doesnt matter if they are cheap to you.Cause soneone on Joe Rogan doesnt make them a doctor or smart?Plenty of smart people on podcast and some crazy ones!Im not telling anyone to come off of statins especially if their family history needs them to be on statins.Im just telling what im trying with my own body and Im not listening to big pharma you can though! You can google statins see all the articles that come up about how much of a money maker they are for big pharma!
 
Ok maybe I shouldnt of said bullshit but big pharma makes $11-19 billion dollars a year off of statins doesnt matter if they are cheap to you.Cause soneone on Joe Rogan doesnt make them a doctor or smart?Plenty of smart people on podcast and some crazy ones!Im not telling anyone to come off of statins especially if their family history needs them to be on statins.Im just telling what im trying with my own body and Im not listening to big pharma you can though! You can google statins see all the articles that come up about how much of a money maker they are for big pharma!
Cool story bro
 
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