Low dose nandrolone - how low can you go?

[Ferret]

I’ve been running stuff for decades now and believe me, I ran deca only and I was almost suicidal, the obsessive thoughts about spouses past relationships (many others claim this too) was so severe I cannot even begin to explain. I couldn’t sleep, Work etc, and thought only way out was to jump off a bridge. Crazy ass stuff. Took two years to slowly resolve. But so scary I’ll nevrr run it above 400 and never without test.

Anyone have any insight into how this affects the brain from a chemical/scientific angle?

interesting

 

[Bumpygooch]

I’ve been running stuff for decades now and believe me, I ran deca only and I was almost suicidal, the obsessive thoughts about spouses past relationships (many others claim this too) was so severe I cannot even begin to explain. I couldn’t sleep, Work etc, and thought only way out was to jump off a bridge. Crazy ass stuff. Took two years to slowly resolve. But so scary I’ll nevrr run it above 400 and never without test.

My experience was similar. Seems way too specific to NOT be from the drug.

 

[HKOX]

I've heard of people having thoughts like that from tren. Sounds like a 19-Nor thing

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Yea, I never get crazy thoughts on tren, nor deca so far... Just goes to show how everyone reacts differently to things.

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

My experience was similar. Seems way too specific to NOT be from the drug.

When I ran NPP I was the same way. Ran it equal to my test. I was not a happy person.

I have depression and anxiety to begin with but I manage it well. first time running a 19-nor I didn’t sleep and couldn’t focus on anything.. gains were sick though. I stopped after 6 weeks? Maybe 5

 

[Tmisatix]

Yes, I remember you telling me. However, at 1gram the conversion of 20% to Estrogen will put me at normal levels, so they say. But at least we both know the Deca bloat is a myth lol.

So, without test, what is the cosmetic "look" of deca only? Still getting fullness? I'm assuming it would be full and hard without any bloat?

 

[I6JQdr06]

125mg isn’t a cycle, that’s a replacement dose, though if you’re older, that may be enough for you to get that pep back in ya’ step, also the 25mg of anavar addition would be like a normal trt clinic offering.. how old are you? Plan to just stay on?

late 40s.

I might or might not stay on the TRT level of test but I don't think it's wise to run Anavar full time. What are your thoughts?

Bodybuilders run much higher doses than people in other sports, right?

 

[AlwaysHungry]

the obsessive thoughts about spouses past relationships (many others claim this too) was so severe I cannot even begin to explain.

Exactly my experiences with deca, Was a fucking hell and I didn't know deca was the reason that was making it worse and I did run it for a whole year...
I still use it But no more than 2 ml basically no more than 1ml and that's if I have shoulder pains. I use it only with way higher test. Even at this low dosage, those mental sides knock off my door but after experience I can manage them and of course a way lighter at 1ml.
Also deca makes me feel fantastic and very horny but ill have these mental effects too.
Tren none of this shit.
I can easily see how nandrolone can make your life and your mentality fall apart , is a dangerous compound for your mind especially if you abuse it.
If you have problems to begin with its worse...

To the OP: If you're not on TRT or cycling then I would suggest to see a doctor and a physiotherapist and see what y can do. Deca its not worth it if you arent already on steroids.For us who are on roids is an option! But for you this is the worst option IMO

 

[Cashton]

late 40s.

I might or might not stay on the TRT level of test but I don't think it's wise to run Anavar full time. What are your thoughts?

Bodybuilders run much higher doses than people in other sports, right?

I wouldn’t run anavar full time, personally I wouldn’t even use it.. but I know there’s clinics out there that do.

 

[Cashton]

late 40s.

I might or might not stay on the TRT level of test but I don't think it's wise to run Anavar full time. What are your thoughts?

Bodybuilders run much higher doses than people in other sports, right?

Depending on the sport, but generally yeah, even so.. I wasn’t downplaying it in any way of a comparison, I was saying 125mg a week is in the general range of a replacement dose, rather than a cycle, you could do 300-500 no problem, also you’re not gonna grow unless you eat to grow, lots of those super skinny mma type fighters down at the local gyms will be on a few 100mg of different drugs but only weight 150lbs.

 

[HKOX]

Cool. I'm not on TRT. So reducing post-cycle suppression is an issue. That's one reason to keep the dose as low as necessary for the therapeutic effects.

Might be wise to use NPP then...Deca takes months to clear out

 

[Deleted member 123722]

So, without test, what is the cosmetic "look" of deca only? Still getting fullness? I'm assuming it would be full and hard without any bloat?

Mike Menzer ran Deca only; many of the pros in the 70's as well, before Test became heavily used. Those looks were primo, dbol, deca, basically.

 

[Ferret]

Mike Menzer ran Deca only; many of the pros in the 70's as well, before Test became heavily used. Those looks were primo, dbol, deca, basically.

Mentzer died on June 10, 2001 in Rolling Hills, California. He was found dead in his apartment, due to heart complications, by his younger brother and fellow bodybuilder Ray Mentzer. AGE 49

 

[Type-IIx]

Mentzer died on June 10, 2001 in Rolling Hills, California. He was found dead in his apartment, due to heart complications, by his younger brother and fellow bodybuilder Ray Mentzer. AGE 49

DECA ONLY KILLED MENTZER

We do know that minor modifications to the steroid structure can dramatically alter its function. Certainly, removal of the C-19 methyl is a "minor" modification of T. The ramifications of this modification on neurotoxicity/mental effects aren't fully understood.

 

[RebornNez]

Mentzer died on June 10, 2001 in Rolling Hills, California. He was found dead in his apartment, due to heart complications, by his younger brother and fellow bodybuilder Ray Mentzer. AGE 49

Well he did use grams of gear and abused methamphetamines and used them as pre workouts which puts even more pressure on the heart. I believe he also smoked and drank.

 

[Ferret]

Well he did use grams of gear and abused methamphetamines and used them as pre workouts which puts even more pressure on the heart. I believe he also smoked and drank.

Just watched a video of him, haha, he did smoke. What a dumb ass. He sounded like a sissy also. I would have bet $1000 he did not smoke..

 

[Canknucklehead]

When I had a broken bone I used Deca 200mg per week or e5d to help speed up recovery.

You should notice a similar benefit with your joints at a comparable dose.

 

[Type-IIx]

When I had a broken bone I used Deca 200mg per week or e5d to help speed up recovery.

You should notice a similar benefit with your joints at a comparable dose.

OP could probably use 1/4 that dose and via a different pathway altogether benefit from joint relief.

 

[theotherguy]

When I had a broken bone I used Deca 200mg per week or e5d to help speed up recovery.

You should notice a similar benefit with your joints at a comparable dose.

I have been running BPC157 and TB500 for about 4 weeks now to heal up some muscle tears, and it has worked amazingly so far.

I bring this up because supposedly this stack works to repair many soft tissues, but IIRC it'll also help repair broken bones.

 

[I6JQdr06]

I think after spending a while researching this I’m going to self prescribe a “trt” regimen of 200mg Test U and 90mg Deca weekly.

Seems something I can do long-term without effecting my health too much. It’ll hopefully soothe my creaky joints and give me some level of performance enhancement without hypertrophy. Obviously I’ll be testing my blood hormone levels and adjusting accordingly.

Reckon I’ll be able to get away with this without taking on any water weight?