MALDI-TOF-MS/HPLC-UV-VIS rHGH results

[rpbb]

This is an ignorant comment showing no knowledge of what has been done and discussed in that thread.

Like I've said, I've read the whole thread, it's a big hand job to sell hgh using serum scores.Mt here's no debate whatsoever

 

[rpbb]

Once again, this is why I love meso, I would have been banned over at pm and my posts deleted a long time ever ago

 

[muscle96ss]

Wow, these sources have more excuses than carter's got pills. His latest marketing gimmick of selling overdosed hgh to set his bogus serum testing apart to sell more shit is even worse

What are you talking about? Firstly, what excuses is TP making? Secondly, what marketing gimmick are you talking about?

 

[muscle96ss]

Once again, this is why I love meso, I would have been banned over at pm and my posts deleted a long time ever ago

You are probably correct on that one, I can't argue that!!

 

[muscle96ss]

Like I've said, I've read the whole thread, it's a big hand job to sell hgh using serum scores.Mt here's no debate whatsoever

Our goal isn't to sell HGH or anything of the sort. Our goal is to keep manufacturers/sellers honest and on their toes. In addition, we are trying to learn more about the whole process. Something that you are missing is that if I test 5iu, 10iu, and 15iu if the same GH; the higher the amount of GH, the higher my serum scores are going to be. Buck is even in agreement on this point and even his data reflect this trend. So in theory, the higher the amount of GH, the higher the serum score will be for that tester. No, it doesn't tell you about the quality or purity of the GH; but it does give you some valuable information with which to make a decision, and much more value than if we had not done any serum testing at all.

 

[muscle96ss]

And I could question where all the hgh racepick is testing is coming from, and who's paying for the testing, because the amount he's going through is awfully expensive even at generic prices. And strangely enough, he doesn't run any of it long enough to tell anything

I will stand up for RP all fucking day long!! Him and buck have been selfless in donating their time, money, bodies, and effort. Anybody that knows him and questions his integrity is not playing with a full deck. I mean this in all seriousness.

 

[rpbb]

What are you talking about? Firstly, what excuses is TP making? Secondly, what marketing gimmick are you talking about?

Overdosing the hgh, which I don't care what you say is not communicated in the testing thread, and your rip story is complete bologna.

Listen muscle, if you want to play the al knowing guru of hgh and come here and attack Dr j and mands, you better have your ducks in a row, because right now, in my eyes, your credibility on the subject is zero

 

[rpbb]

I will stand up for RP all fucking day long!! Him and buck have been selfless in donating their time, money, bodies, and effort. Anybody that knows him and questions his integrity is not playing with a full deck. I mean this in all seriousness.

And I'm serious when I asked the question of where is he getting all the hgh

 

[muscle96ss]

Overdosing the hgh, which I don't care what you say is not communicated in the testing thread, and your rip story is complete bologna.

Listen muscle, if you want to play the al knowing guru of hgh and come here and attack Dr j and mands, you better have your ducks in a row, because right now, in my eyes, your credibility on the subject is zero

OMG!!! The story about the Rips is not a story, its real life brother!!! Its also not some deep hidden secret as the raw material for the Rips was coming from the Hyge plant was the raw material for a bunch of other generics on the market. When the plant was shutdown, it had a huge effect on the GH market and a lot of brands disappeared. Once again, this is not some rumour; its a known fact by most people on the boards. The fact that you are disputing reality and actual factual events shows how far off base you are with everything. It would be like me saying that bengals beat the broncos on monday night and sticking to my story. I don't really know how to respond to something that defies logic like this.

 

[muscle96ss]

And I'm serious when I asked the question of where is he getting all the hgh

If you read the thread, then you wouldn't be asking this question. We are not trying to hide anything.

 

[rpbb]

I'm done with this debate, you respond to everything with deflection, and you don't respond to valid points made by the prof,cbs, and myself. The mathematical excuse you use to justify low purity is completely invalid. And even when a valid link is posted, you ignore it. If you want to keep sending CRAPPY info to your "bros" at pm, that is fine with me. Just don't come here and attack Dr j and mands and the prof and cbs when your knowledge from what I can tell is a bunch of bro science. You've had the opportunity for years to do hplc testing on that stuff you call hgh, but my guess is the serum scores were creating plenty of business for those sources.

 

[rpbb]

By the way, if you want to set up a testing program, look at the time and effort that millard has put into the one here. Because from what I can see, you guys aren't capqble

 

[muscle96ss]

I'm done with this debate, you respond to everything with deflection, and you don't respond to valid points made by the prof,cbs, and myself. The mathematical excuse you use to justify low purity is completely invalid. And even when a valid link is posted, you ignore it. If you want to keep sending CRAPPY info to your "bros" at pm, that is fine with me. Just don't come here and attack Dr j and mands and the prof and cbs when your knowledge from what I can tell is a bunch of bro science. You've had the opportunity for years to do hplc testing on that stuff you call hgh, but my guess is the serum scores were creating plenty of business for those sources.

I've responded to every single point made and deflected nothing. I think this thread has gone way off course and seems to be getting a little too personal here with a lot of false accusations and just plain ignorant remarks.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Secondly, I am stating that we don't know what the specific reaction on the body is from these impurities, nor do we know at what level it is triggered. In other words, where is the cutoff line? Why is 98% pure safe, but 90% pure is unsafe.

We don't know where the cutoff line is, that's the problem. Big pharma did extensive research on their hGH to determine safety - first on animals, then cautiously on humans, looking for adverse effects like immunogenicity. No such studies have been conducted - or at least published - on so-called generic GH, so we don't know what is safe.

CBS, you point out the study about EPO which is quite valid for EPO. But how can you say that this then translates true to GH?

I can't say it translates. All I can do is weigh the existing data: 1) There is lots of evidence showing biologics are associated with significant risk when you get it wrong, and there is no reason to believe hGH, being a biologic like EPO, is somehow exempt from those risks just because it's hGH; and 2) no legit generic drug maker has been given approval to make a follow-on or "generic" hGH yet, so we don't have data. All we can do is extrapolate the data from other follow-on biologics, and given the fact that the complexity of the hGH molecule is far greater than most other biologics, it's reasonable to conclude its adverse effects will also be more complex.

If there was evidence of increased health risk of one GH versus another, I don't think people would be debating about price.

There is evidence, people just choose to discount it. They do so at their own peril, IMO.

 

[muscle96ss]

We don't know where the cutoff line is, that's the problem. Big pharma did extensive research on their hGH to determine safety - first on animals, then cautiously on humans, looking for adverse effects like immunogenicity. No such studies have been conducted - or at least published - on so-called generic GH, so we don't know what is safe.



I can't say it translates. All I can do is weigh the existing data: 1) There is lots of evidence showing biologics are associated with significant risk when you get it wrong, and there is no reason to believe hGH, being a biologic like EPO, is somehow exempt from those risks just because it's hGH; and 2) no legit generic drug maker has been given approval to make a follow-on or "generic" hGH yet, so we don't have data. All we can do is extrapolate the data from other follow-on biologics, and given the fact that the complexity of the hGH molecule is far greater than most other biologics, it's reasonable to conclude its adverse effects will also be more complex.



There is evidence, people just choose to discount it. They do so at their own peril, IMO.

I agree in that we do not know the cutoff line. But if we don't know the cutoff, then how can we conclude that 90% purity is unsafe or to what greater extent the risk is in comparison to say 96% purity? And if people were going to be having autoimmune responses and other negative effects, shouldn't we be seeing it with some consistency in the real world considering how huge the UG GH market is?

Secondly, just wanted to point out that there is an FDA approved generic GH. Its called omnitrope and produced by Sandoz. That doesn't change anything as I get your point, but just wanted to share that.

 

[ProfessorX]

Once again, this is why I love meso, I would have been banned over at pm and my posts deleted a long time ever ago

Yip...I'm not a long time member here and I agree with ya. That's why I followed this thread at first

I also see why Jim and Mands stay away from this thread now unfortunately

Look where this has gone....again.....I commend you for the good fight though.... But.... Muscle doesn't want useful info....he's here for SQUIRREL!!!.....look over there!

It was amusing for a bit....now it's just annoying

I've got all the information, links, etc. one would need to move on from the GH Serum conspiracy posted on another board
That's why I only give a little bit of info here (not showing my full hand)
So...if Muscle was in "the medical field" as he stated...and a true PM GH knowledgeable rep....he would know that:

RELATED PROTEINS TEST
(European Pharmacopoeia 6.0%)

DIMMER AND RELATED SUBSTANCES (Higher Molecular Mass)
(European Pharmacopoeia 4.0%)

N-TERMINAL ANALYSIS

BACTERIA ENDOTOXIN TEST

Standards to "Pharma GH) such as GenSci GENLEI Jintropin

Beings he is in the "medical field" I assumed he knew about the long standing legal battle between Pfizer and Sandoz Omitrope (sued to become a Generic)
Morgan Lewis
Counselors at Law

What better documents than these (True Generic GH - BioSimilar) to study and find all sorts of information presented by the FDA :
Molecular Variants have the potential to induce an Immune Response

Jim would certainly know all this

I miss how this thread started

So....Fa Get About this dude (Muscle)
It's pointless

I'll PM you when the new Generic GH samples are done from SIMEC

This guy just stands around with his thumb up his bumm wishing he was doing the testing we are

Or......maybe he doesn't want real testing.....hmmmm

Oh.....and AnabolicLab.....

BIG THUMBS UP! I love it!

I've been testing samples for awhile....it can be a pain in the arse to get that accomplished....so good job!

 

[rpbb]

Yip...I'm not a long time member here and I agree with ya. That's why I followed this thread at first

I also see why Jim and Mands stay away from this thread now unfortunately

Look where this has gone....again.....I commend you for the good fight though.... But.... Muscle doesn't want useful info....he's here for SQUIRREL!!!.....look over there!

It was amusing for a bit....now it's just annoying

I've got all the information, links, etc. one would need to move on from the GH Serum conspiracy posted on another board
That's why I only give a little bit of info here (not showing my full hand)
So...if Muscle was in "the medical field" as he stated...and a true PM GH knowledgeable rep....he would know that:

RELATED PROTEINS TEST
(European Pharmacopoeia 6.0%)

DIMMER AND RELATED SUBSTANCES (Higher Molecular Mass)
(European Pharmacopoeia 4.0%)

N-TERMINAL ANALYSIS

BACTERIA ENDOTOXIN TEST

Standards to "Pharma GH) such as GenSci GENLEI Jintropin

Beings he is in the "medical field" I assumed he knew about the long standing legal battle between Pfizer and Sandoz Omitrope (sued to become a Generic)
Morgan Lewis
Counselors at Law

What better documents than these (True Generic GH - BioSimilar) to study and find all sorts of information presented by the FDA :
Molecular Variants have the potential to induce an Immune Response

Jim would certainly know all this

I miss how this thread started

So....Fa Get About this dude (Muscle)
It's pointless

I'll PM you when the new Generic GH samples are done from SIMEC

This guy just stands around with his thumb up his bumm wishing he was doing the testing we are

why change up what they are doing over there, it sells alot of hgh, wouldn't want to upset that. I'm just hoping the people here learned something

 

[muscle96ss]

Yip...I'm not a long time member here and I agree with ya. That's why I followed this thread at first

I also see why Jim and Mands stay away from this thread now unfortunately

Look where this has gone....again.....I commend you for the good fight though.... But.... Muscle doesn't want useful info....he's here for SQUIRREL!!!.....look over there!

It was amusing for a bit....now it's just annoying

I've got all the information, links, etc. one would need to move on from the GH Serum conspiracy posted on another board
That's why I only give a little bit of info here (not showing my full hand)
So...if Muscle was in "the medical field" as he stated...and a true PM GH knowledgeable rep....he would know that:

RELATED PROTEINS TEST
(European Pharmacopoeia 6.0%)

DIMMER AND RELATED SUBSTANCES (Higher Molecular Mass)
(European Pharmacopoeia 4.0%)

N-TERMINAL ANALYSIS

BACTERIA ENDOTOXIN TEST

Standards to "Pharma GH) such as GenSci GENLEI Jintropin

Beings he is in the "medical field" I assumed he knew about the long standing legal battle between Pfizer and Sandoz Ommitrope (sued to become a Generic)
Morgan Lewis
Counselor at Law

What better documents than these (True Generic GH - BioSimilar) to study and find all sorts of information presented by the FDA :
Molecular Variants have the potential to induce an Immune Response

Jim would certainly know all this

I miss how this thread started

So....Fa Get About this dude (Muscle)
It's pointless

Prof X; I don't think you have done your proper research. There are plenty of published studies that show everything I have been talking about:

Grey tops versus Genotropin

Grey tops toxicity test

Chinese GH comparison with Humatrope

Karl wins Nobel Prize

And you still have not posted a single bit of data or actual screen-shots of any data that supports your theories. Whereas it is known in the online community that you are a fraud:

Prof X not a real Prof

Morgan Lewis versus Prof X

 

[ProfessorX]

B

Prof X; I don't think you have done your proper research. There are plenty of published studies that show everything I have been talking about:

Grey tops versus Genotropin

Grey tops toxicity test

Chinese GH comparison with Humatrope

Karl wins Nobel Prize

And you still have not posted a single bit of data or actual screen-shots of any data that supports your theories. Whereas it is known in the online community that you are a fraud:

Prof X not a real Prof

Morgan Lewis versus Prof X

BAAAAAAHaaaaaa!!

SQUIRREL!! Hey buddy....Happy New Year

(Prof X is not a Real X-MAN either....but I'm a real HAILRAZOR)

TP posted his concern about diminishing IGF1 from a product he was selling. (High Impurities) GH Serums never diminish he says (High Impurities do not effect GH Serum)... You can't fight that comment buddy. More focus should be on IGF1.....not GH Serums......BIG OLE SCAMM A ROOSKIE......YOU''RE TREATING PM MEMBERS LIKE FOOLS......THEY SHOULD BE PISSED

 

[muscle96ss]

why change up what they are doing over there, it sells alot of hgh, wouldn't want to upset that. I'm just hoping the people here learned something

Yeah, you caught us. Me and RP are actually part of the mob, and we are just trying to move some GH.