Mass Spec Thread

[cujo]

Wow. Amazing how people can ruin such a good service to expose these fakes selling shit gear. I don't blame mythos in the least. If sucks but when legality and people accuse others of certain motives, time to get out unfortunately. It's amazing when some of these "untouchable" sponsors are exposed and someone who is reputable on a board with non paying sponsors is the victim. Big thanks to the assholes who fucked it up for the rest of us . I hope you bandwagon dickheads get nothing but overpriced bunk garbage with a "big sponsors" name on it. Done venting and off to hunt for some watsons lol


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[lightspan]

I'm still fuming over this. For five years I had unlimited access to a hplc/ms, which I maintained. No one ever monitored what samples were run, and I could erase data files at will if I so desired. Virtually every orgo research lab on the planet either has a mass spec in their lab, or has access to several instruments, including low res and high res.

Every synthetic organic chemist in grad school, or postdoc, or prof, or "industry partner" of the university (i.e., companies who choose not to maintain their own analytical instruments and instead pay on a fee basis for NMR, XRD and MS analysis) has access to these instruments. No one is "checking up on the compounds they run," and in fact, for industry partners, their data is often subject to an NDA to protect the data, since the compounds are often new chemical entities and the subject of IP filings. Medium to large companies have their own instrumentation, which is not maintained by the fucking DEA, it is managed by users, and again, data files can be freely managed/erased.

 

[jabrel3]

I'm still fuming over this. For five years I had unlimited access to a hplc/ms, which I maintained. No one ever monitored what samples were run, and I could erase data files at will if I so desired. Virtually every orgo research lab on the planet either has a mass spec in their lab, or has access to several instruments, including low res and high res.

Every synthetic organic chemist in grad school, or postdoc, or prof, or "industry partner" of the university (i.e., companies who choose not to maintain their own analytical instruments and instead pay on a fee basis for NMR, XRD and MS analysis) has access to these instruments. No one is "checking up on the compounds they run," and in fact, for industry partners, their data is often subject to an NDA to protect the data, since the compounds are often new chemical entities and the subject of IP filings. Medium to large companies have their own instrumentation, which is not maintained by the fucking DEA, it is managed by users, and again, data files can be freely managed/erased.

I hear you lightspan, I think my brain is hemorrhaging from reading all this. Scammers must be having a butt sex party at the thought of no more mass spec. At least for now..

 

[Colt44]

Not worth it to me, just too bad now that people will just have to find the tests themselves or just hope they are getting 80% or better compounds....


-Myth-

I was going to help some guys out, but not anymore. I already told them, to find their own contacts, and dont be using me as a reference either. Im just tired of it to be honest..I should be out riding my harley, yet I sit here and type and argue with everyone.. Not anymore.. I am going to live my life.. see you guys later..

I respect both of you and your decisions. Obviously you both are free to do as you please but have you considered the people opposing this service and attempting to discredit you are actually the people you are exposing? There's only one group that would be against this testing. The shit sources that are scamming our fellow members.

 

[cyclone268]

Unfortunately this news will likely bring a new wave of scamming piece of shit scum bags to the market but the person doing such a good service to the community shouldn't be constantly blasted with stress/flaming/other crap for simply trying to help us out..that's not right. Thanks for the service Myth..wish i could get you a few beers on me..

 

[jayb]

Myth,
Would you still be a neutral 3rd party if ugls ask you to test their products? What about for a fee? I hate to see this go away completely, without at least a threat of this we are going to have more and more MFL/Custom fiascos around here.

 

[graniteman]

Gents, I have no dog in the fight as I use no ugl's. I was merely poking around asking questions as it just seemed to me getting a mass spec test is EXTREMELY difficult. I know lightspan has knowledge and I def do not dispute mass spec testing , I just say it shouldn't be a secret as to who is performing the tests. Open and full disclosure, I thought IM was a friend and am definitely not questioning nhis integrity, Quite the opposite.
This could be great or could be the biggest sham ever divised.

 

[graniteman]

I'll throw out a possible testing site for all, no need for secrecy or charges. I only have the interest of the community at heart . I don't think the end test should be cloaked, I think the end test should be held to a Higher standard than the guy being tested. You guys are really ready to take a total strangers word?
This test is 100% legit and by 3rd parties i na controlled lab. It is monitored by the DEA as far as what is done with the discarded samples. Payment and info is kept secret
http://www.ecstasydata.org/about_data_sources.php

 

[lightspan]

Gents, I have no dog in the fight as I use no ugl's. I was merely poking around asking questions as it just seemed to me getting a mass spec test is EXTREMELY difficult. I know lightspan has knowledge and I def do not dispute mass spec testing , I just say it shouldn't be a secret as to who is performing the tests. Open and full disclosure, I thought IM was a friend and am definitely not questioning nhis integrity, Quite the opposite.
This could be great or could be the biggest sham ever divised.

You're a respected member, and everyone's input makes meso a better place. I did not want to step on you, I just wanted to dispel this persistent myth that MS is some sort of esoteric analysis that is kept behind vault doors and is only accessible to a select few. It's incredibly frustrating because it's just not true, yet the myth keeps getting perpetuated, and those who benefit from perpetuation of this falsehood are the scammers and bottom feeders.

The instruments are everywhere, running them requires some training and knowledge yes, but if someone wanted to run samples it would be a relatively simple exercise. Who is going to "check" on the runs? Who is going to walk in and ask "what are you analyzing?" During my tenure in grad school that happened exactly zero times. Had my advisor done so, I would've asked him of he was feeling ok.

Same for industry. Analysts/chemists don't have people lurking over their shoulder, they do their jobs and report on their findings. The research chemists making compounds could give a shit, they want spectra, not chit chat.

 

[graniteman]

You're a respected member, and everyone's input makes meso a better place. I did not want to step on you, I just wanted to dispel this persistent myth that MS is some sort of esoteric analysis that is kept behind vault doors and is only accessible to a select few. It's incredibly frustrating because it's just not true, yet the myth keeps getting perpetuated, and those who benefit from perpetuation of this falsehood are the scammers and bottom feeders.

The instruments are everywhere, running them requires some training and knowledge yes, but if someone wanted to run samples it would be a relatively simple exercise. Who is going to "check" on the runs? Who is going to walk in and ask "what are you analyzing?" During my tenure in grad school that happened exactly zero times. Had my advisor done so, I would've asked him of he was feeling ok.

Same for industry. Analysts/chemists don't have people lurking over their shoulder, they do their jobs and report on their findings. The research chemists making compounds could give a shit, they want spectra, not chit chat.

No problem Lightspan, not offended at all. If you have access to this testing you could make a nice tidy sum of money on the side!! You know how life is, you can say it's easy and two others will say , ''You're crazy, it's not''. I know a few guys in the field, brother in law works for Merck and longtime friends for Bayer.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

I'll throw out a possible testing site for all, no need for secrecy or charges. I only have the interest of the community at heart . I don't think the end test should be cloaked, I think the end test should be held to a Higher standard than the guy being tested. You guys are really ready to take a total strangers word?
This test is 100% legit and by 3rd parties i na controlled lab. It is monitored by the DEA as far as what is done with the discarded samples. Payment and info is kept secret
http://www.ecstasydata.org/about_data_sources.php

They will only test pills, caps, and powders. $150each.. No oils..

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

I respect both of you and your decisions. Obviously you both are free to do as you please but have you considered the people opposing this service and attempting to discredit you are actually the people you are exposing? There's only one group that would be against this testing. The shit sources that are scamming our fellow members.

Its not worth the headache.. I rarely use UG anyways, so none of this testing affects me anyways. The UG I do use, I have no questions on its potency.. Geneza and ALP orals..Top notch.. Water based.. gears365(Pharmatec).. Everything else I use is HG..

 

[newtoketo]

who will protect us now....

 

[whodatnation]

I can't help but feel that this is a complete and utter failure amongst our community. Way to many people with negative comments and personal agenda's have ruined a great thing. Myth, thank you for everything. Damn shame that the douche bags here are gonna win this and were able to stop this.

Sadly, this will just hurt the very ones arguing back and forth the most.

I will no longer be testing anything for anyone, after reading quite a few posts I realized there are people on here who have no clue as to what they are talking about...Some want to bring up the legalities of testing, some want to discredit the tests and the testers, while others think that this testing is cheap and/or should be free...

Funny how you can buy/use AAS, ship it, whatever, but you consistently shove legal garbage down people throats and cause more trouble and headache then is needed...Sorry if I have offended people but, you sure can tell between the educated and the people who think they are....All tests that are in or been accepted will be tested, but please do not pm with new ones, I'm not going to even respond...


-Myth-

 

[devildog93]

This pretty much sucks ass for those of us not using or having access to Hg gear. Looks like we are back to labmax and word of mouth then. Beats nothing i suppose, but doesn't really make me a happy camper at all.

 

[greenddog1]

Its not worth the headache.. I rarely use UG anyways, so none of this testing affects me anyways. The UG I do use, I have no questions on its potency.. Geneza and ALP orals..Top notch.. Water based.. gears365(Pharmatec).. Everything else I use is HG..

Come on IM, so, you are one of the fortunate few, good for you. Thanks for the contribution, but there are plenty of poor souls here that are not so fortunate and are looking for a solution. Not only for their wallets, but their very lives. A bit disappointed in you and the response. Hopefully, it's just from having a bad day!

 

[Voltrader]

Myth this is to bad to hear. Do not let the detractors bring you down the work you were doing was important work. You always had the unwavering support of the community. Your word was bond with anyone that mattered. I understand this reason for quitting but in a way you have let their tactics prevail. This is only the beginning Myth maybe there is a new soul ready to pick up were you left off. Thanks for all the work you put in, you changed the balances of control this is just the beginning. Sometimes the one who blazes the trail never sees the destination.

 

[Burrr]

Myth, I don't blame you for stepping back. I sure would not want to give my mailing address to guys on a forum, hoping they are GTG.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Come on IM, so, you are one of the fortunate few, good for you. Thanks for the contribution, but there are plenty of poor souls here that are not so fortunate and are looking for a solution. Not only for their wallets, but their very lives. A bit disappointed in you and the response. Hopefully, it's just from having a bad day!

Not having a bad day.. Just tired of the shit I get for helping.

 

[Colt44]

Not having a bad day.. Just tired of the shit I get for helping.

The people giving you shit are the ones that don't matter IM. The ones that don't purchase from the source you called out do. Or the ones that don't inject the garbage primo they have on hand. That's what this community is about. Millard catches a lot of flack from other boards for the unmoderated aspect of this board but I don't see him throwing in the towel and shutting down the underground anytime soon.