Mass Spec Thread

[4leafclover]

No, what I meant by transparency is what Millard has been talking about, getting the AAS community as a whole (not just meso) to recognize the results as legitimate. This is mostly to avoid what happened to Myth. So by transparency, I was talking more about on our end, for instance who is in charge of getting the tests done, how many samples are sent in, who is responsible for getting the samples from the UGL's etc.

Some of the critiques of Myth have been that he (these are not true from what I can tell, just slander against him, so I am not condoning these messages) had a hidden agenda, that he possibly tainted the results, that he wanted to shut other labs down so he could get kickbacks from a certain lab on Meso, etc. If we have transparency, we can point to how we went about our process, and hopefully we can minimize the backlash against those who do carry out the research for us (not the actual lab, but our members), so they aren't attacked much like the publisher of Anabolic's Underground was for his research done on UGL's.

 

[Ricardo]

Did we just witness a science guy fight? Cause I am not sure that qualifies.
Then again there were a lot of big words in there and my knuckles drag on the ground sometimes.

Computer in one hand dictionary in the other... Where's the popcorn

 

[Juice n Goose]

The EU-based Sincopharm doesn't perform AAS testing for the purposes we require. Even if the labs do not to offer harm reduction type testing for AAS users, I want to list them here as a reference. So far, we have direct refusals from Drug Detection Laboratories, Microtrace and Sincopharm.

Add Intertek Pharma to this list Millard. I have a line on an American company that has a full scale office in Thailand and the UK. Wish us Good Hunting!
Goose

 

[Juice n Goose]

Computer in one hand dictionary in the other... Where's the popcorn

Five foot nine and popping 223 Ricardo. Care to dance?!

 

[Ricardo]

Five foot nine and popping 223 Ricardo. Care to dance?!

Putting the popcorn down and slowly slipping down behind the diet coke trying to hide my 260 frame :/

 

[Juice n Goose]

Add Intertek Pharma to this list Millard. I have a line on an American company that has a full scale office in Thailand and the UK. Wish us Good Hunting!
Goose

Oh SHIT! sorry Big M...thought the Jr. guy said that! Man Im in aplayfull mood today but not THAT
Goose

Putting the popcorn down and slowly slipping down behind the diet coke trying to hide my 260 frame :/

AHHH whats thirty seven pounds? I can take ya"!! Your'e too BIG to move fast! Wait! I'm not drunk...sorry Man!
Goose

 

[Juice n Goose]

I just wanted to bring this up for general informational purposes.
When I buy,say a vial of Test Cyp.@ 50$,when I send it into be assayed I do have to pay for the testing which depending on what I ask for is between 83$ and 97$ so in actuality my little vial costs between 133$ and 147$ and I assure you that is a bargain! the consumable items as well as the tech's time, overhead,etc makes this a not so cheap process.
The way I do it is if I buy five of each I send in one sample of each and pray that I dont get 1 good vial and 4 crap ones but the comprehensive bloods,not the>1800 kind provide me with all of the further peace of mind I need. Ive never done bloods that are quite high and seen them fall off down the road. Plan your budget for testing accordingly Brothers. Its the cost of doing business. Even @ high volume the company can only go so low in their pricing.

Goose

 

[pumpingiron22]

 

[Juice n Goose]

Thanks for the vote of confidence in this. Ive barely slept in four days trying to search high and low to solve this problem.
Since I retired from the Corps you Men have become my Brothers. Not to get all corny but I can come here and meet new people, which was my goal, continue to build on friendships I've established,Shit I used to read yalls posts from Iraq and then the 'Stan when the satcom allowed...long story short the Guys here are like family to me and I mean that. Not my Bellybutton family but my Corps family. The comraderie on THIS board is second to NONE!!
Here endeth my revelation to the community as a whole!
I will NEVER stop trying for us all!(at least til my wife kills me!)
Sincerely,

Goose

 

[devildog93]

I don't see what all the going on is about with respect to lab credibility, especially when it has been called into question by d-bags. By d-bags i mean suppliers who have questionable practices, don't test their own product, have little to no quality control, or even a clue as to what is coming or going.

Seriously, when we get reports from members about half shipments, bad bloodwork, wrong product, tabs having female birth control in them, etc... how do they even have a say in what we do at that point? It is all information, and we can choose to accept or ignore it like anything else on this board. It is almost as simple as more is better it seems to me. I would take Myth's lab results long before i would accept anything one of the stealth sachet suppliers said for instance. When we add in a couple of questionable labmax tests, a bad batch of bloodwork, and other negative results from multiple end users then that should be all she wrote.

At that point i don't need to see the scumbag( the supplier) send his personal stash for testing, a note from his mom, a sob story about how his personal life is in shambles, or anything else. If i deem the data adds up then his word means nothing to me. He can call whatever he wants into question, but he should get voted off the island. I would rather give him a blanket party, but hey, internet limitations and such.

 

[Juice n Goose]

I don't see what all the going on is about with respect to lab credibility, especially when it has been called into question by d-bags. By d-bags i mean suppliers who have questionable practices, don't test their own product, have little to no quality control, or even a clue as to what is coming or going.

Seriously, when we get reports from members about half shipments, bad bloodwork, wrong product, tabs having female birth control in them, etc... how do they even have a say in what we do at that point? It is all information, and we can choose to accept or ignore it like anything else on this board. It is almost as simple as more is better it seems to me. I would take Myth's lab results long before i would accept anything one of the stealth sachet suppliers said for instance. When we add in a couple of questionable labmax tests, a bad batch of bloodwork, and other negative results from multiple end users then that should be all she wrote.

At that point i don't need to see the scumbag( the supplier) send his personal stash for testing, a note from his mom, a sob story about how his personal life is in shambles, or anything else. If i deem the data adds up then his word means nothing to me. He can call whatever he wants into question, but he should get voted off the island. I would rather give him a blanket party, but hey, internet limitations and such.

Damn,Teufelhunde 93,Dont be shy say whats on your mind! I can respect an "Old Corps Marine" knew a few in my time. Well since "83-2011 anyway! Semper Fi Brother
Goose

 

[Voltrader]

I love this thread can I just hang out it in this thread...... I know there is work to be done. Just saying.

 

[mercury]

I don't see what all the going on is about with respect to lab credibility, especially when it has been called into question by d-bags. By d-bags i mean suppliers who have questionable practices, don't test their own product, have little to no quality control, or even a clue as to what is coming or going.

there is too much money involved and they have too much to lose, so they will try to discredit any lab results.

this happens on paid forums like ironmagazine and others, you are not allowed to use "bunk" over there.

When I presented NAPS a few years ago with GC/MS results about their bunk bear I was just ignored.

 

[devildog93]

Well i hope that won't happen here. If someone posts lab results i will take them at their word unless they have a track record to lead me to believe otherwise. A few people post up similar results or pile on with bloodwork, etc. and the source should be done....pretty simple really. I don't care how many little minions they have running around trying to shout members down or point out minor errors. At that point their word would mean shit.

The crap that goes on with Alin and his "Professor" over at e-roids is goofy as hell. Take a look at some of those conversations if you want to see what cockroaches do when the lights come on. I think they have brought up any and every excuse at one point or another to try to explain under-dosed or mislabeled gear. They have been provided ms results, bloodwork, real life user experiences, and anything else you can think of...yet they are still fighting tooth and nail to represent a garbage product.

They could run a legit business if they spent even half their effort taking care of their own house instead of attacking their users. I guess profit is never enough for some people. They can't be bothered to test their own gear or care what they pass on to anyone else. If it was a gun deal going down it would be shoot out at the o.k. corral.

 

[Millard]

We can't send steroid samples to EcstasyData.org since the company that does the analyses -- DDL (Drug Detection Laboratories) -- told me they don't test AAS samples.

Now, as of today (July 25, 2014), we can no longer send steroid samples to WEDINOS. They have discontinued AAS testing and will discard/destroy all AAS samples submitted after today (h/t @S.B.C )

https://thinksteroids.com/community...-longer-doing-free-steroid-testing.134357122/

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/wedinos-free-steroid-lab-testing-service.134354182/

 

[MythotiK]

FYI

We had a slight delay in testing, I do appologize, I am trying to get MESO a stable place to test, if you have a test out now, IT will get done...I'm sure some are slightly irritated and waiting patiently...I take 100% of the blame on this, just trying to lockdown a stable and legit tester...


-Myth-

 

[bickel29]

FYI

We had a slight delay in testing, I do appologize, I am trying to get MESO a stable place to test, if you have a test out now, IT will get done...I'm sure some are slightly irritated and waiting patiently...I take 100% of the blame on this, just trying to lockdown a stable and legit tester...


-Myth-

You're good with us Myth! Just keep us in the loop, brother, but we know you're good for it.

I know quite a few of us have said previously, but THANKS again for your efforts with this. Our community is better off for your contributions.

 

[calfcramp]

FYI

We had a slight delay in testing, I do appologize, I am trying to get MESO a stable place to test, if you have a test out now, IT will get done...I'm sure some are slightly irritated and waiting patiently...I take 100% of the blame on this, just trying to lockdown a stable and legit tester...


-Myth-

There's no value in blame. It'll all happen in time.

 

[devildog93]

Can you also look into getting a board psychologist to test Majere? As to how quick the testing goes...it gets done when it gets done. If it took a month is would still be better than nothing.

 

[MythotiK]

I will also be on vacation all of next week (glass bottom hut)



But all tests will be forwarded to me and I will get them out the same day I receive them...


-Myth-