Mass Spec Thread

[Capt Forest]

I'm sure most have seen this, but just in case. This is the Netherlands branch of Labmax. A few people I know have sent samples. Pricey, but reliable and (I'm told) fast service. Could be affordable if several people buying from the same source split the cost.

http://steroidcheck.com/products/quantitative-analysis/details

This looks great. What a good find. If like you said a few guys split this cost it could be practical. I can only get a limited amount of stuff tested and i have to keep it on the dl. This lab would eliminate all doubt.

 

[ebola]

I do not see how to afford this just buying the test kit was a two weeks of savings.

I have spent on my current cycle $500, I do not see how I can afford $2000 to have all tested.

Thanks but I will pass and stay with blood test.

 

[ebola]

I wonder if you guys see the same nonsense in this type of testing it is only for famous and rich like Arnold.

So if I send some test enan, comes back bunk, then I have to send another sample.

How many samples before I find a good product. It might cost me thousands to find something.

And there is no guarantee that in a few months or weeks the same source will still have good product.

Once he finds out that his product has been testes and it is g2g then he starts selling corn oil.

 

[Burrr]

Hopefully your source will use the service, test a kilogram of raws at a time, and send out good product.

 

[flenser]

I wonder if you guys see the same nonsense in this type of testing it is only for famous and rich like Arnold.

So if I send some test enan, comes back bunk, then I have to send another sample.

How many samples before I find a good product. It might cost me thousands to find something.

And there is no guarantee that in a few months or weeks the same source will still have good product.

Once he finds out that his product has been testes and it is g2g then he starts selling corn oil.

That's a pretty defeatist position. Maybe you should avoid using aas completely.

 

[ebola]

That's a pretty defeatist position. Maybe you should avoid using aas completely.

I try, I keep saying never again but the fucking shit is so addictive.

 

[Dr JIM]

I wonder if you guys see the same nonsense in this type of testing it is only for famous and rich like Arnold.

So if I send some test enan, comes back bunk, then I have to send another sample.

How many samples before I find a good product. It might cost me thousands to find something.

And there is no guarantee that in a few months or weeks the same source will still have good product.

Once he finds out that his product has been testes and it is g2g then he starts selling corn oil.

All that is certainly a possibility with any UGL product, but not testing that which your cycling regardless of reason is much worse.

Cycling is EXPENSIVE no matter how you cut it, do it on the cheap and you'll certainly get what you paid for guaranteed.

 

[ebola]

I totally agree to have the gear tested, this is something what everybody wants.
But the cost of lab testing is so high.

I run two cycles on average each year and spending extra $2000 - $ 3000 just on lab testing is simply impossible unless you make 6 figures.

The only solution for me is to seek other ways to make sure I do not inject bunk gear.

 

[Dr JIM]

I totally agree to have the gear tested, this is something what everybody wants.
But the cost of lab testing is so high.

I run two cycles on average each year and spending extra $2000 - $ 3000 just on lab testing is simply impossible unless you make 6 figures.

The only solution for me is to seek other ways to make sure I do not inject bunk gear.

2-3 K how did you arrive at that figure since the assays are $300 for each test ordered ?

The idea would be for people to work together and test gear or is "brother" something they only say on forums but never practice.

Sounds like you need to become MORE INVOLVED to understand what helping each other really means.

 

[Kinikuman]

2-3 K how did you arrive at that figure since the assays are $300 for each test ordered ?

The idea would be for people to work together and test gear or is "brother" something they only say on forums but never practice.

Sounds like you need to become MORE INVOLVED to understand what helping each other really means.

Yes, if you test 100 or more products, your cost per item goes way down to like 130 quid. You could get to that level with 20 brothers doing 5 tests each or even 50 brothers at 2 each. I'm willing to bet this place will be happy to work a deal if we were doing say, 400+ tests a year. Maybe set up a group account or discount code with them? In a years time there would be nowhere for the fly-by-night UGL to hide here at MESO. Think about it, brothers.

 

[flenser]

Yes, if you test 100 or more products, your cost per item goes way down to like 130 quid. You could get to that level with 20 brothers doing 5 tests each or even 50 brothers at 2 each. I'm willing to bet this place will be happy to work a deal if we were doing say, 400+ tests a year. Maybe set up a group account or discount code with them? In a years time there would be nowhere for the fly-by-night UGL to hide here at MESO. Think about it, brothers.

It would need to be very circumspect. I already took a little heat for posting the link. Maybe a few individuals acting as relays for a more or less anonymous lab would work.

 

[ebola]

I have been too long around to be trustful about any tests posted. I have seen good reviews and good lab results like 99% pure or whatever and the gear was bunk.

There are even people, companies you can hire to write good reviews. You can post good lab results of some gear but sell different total bunk.

I was on another board for a few years with so called good reputation and I was contacted and offered something in exchange to write good reviews for one scammer.

 

[MANWHORE]

I was on another board for a few years with so called good reputation and I was contacted and offered something in exchange to write good reviews for one scammer.

Whatever he offered you, I will pay you DOUBLE!

M

 

[Dr JIM]

I have been too long around to be trustful about any tests posted. I have seen good reviews and good lab results like 99% pure or whatever and the gear was bunk.

There are even people, companies you can hire to write good reviews. You can post good lab results of some gear but sell different total bunk.

I was on another board for a few years with so called good reputation and I was contacted and offered something in exchange to write good reviews for one scammer.

Well shit then dude woe is you bc your all alone again, enjoy!

 

[berlin]

Any crowd-funding experts in the house?

 

[berlin]

Just a suggestion, but will either of these labs provide a redacted sample report so that Dr. Jim can review for both form and content before committing to a purchase? It's probably better to set the appropriate benchmark from the outset - saves time, money, and aggravation.

 

[Dr JIM]

Just a suggestion, but will either of these labs provide a redacted sample report so that Dr. Jim can review for both form and content before committing to a purchase? It's probably better to set the appropriate benchmark from the outset - saves time, money, and aggravation.

Asked and answered previously, NO!

 

[Dr JIM]

It would need to be very circumspect. I already took a little heat for posting the link. Maybe a few individuals acting as relays for a more or less anonymous lab would work.

Perhaps not but this lab may have a similar problem another online lab, EcstasyData.Org, had.

That is the raw data is not forwarded to customers.

So it's likely what you would receive is a NARRATIVE SYNOPSIS
of the raw data itself.

It's very important to inspect and review the actual LC/MS spectrographs or HPLC chromatographs for credibility IME.

Jim

 

[flenser]

Perhaps not but this lab may have a similar problem another online lab, EcstasyData.Org, had.

That is the raw data is not forwarded to customers.

So it's likely what you would receive is a NARRATIVE SYNOPSIS
of the raw data itself.

It's very important to inspect and review the actual LC/MS spectrographs or HPLC chromatographs for credibility IME.

Jim

Did you see the report posted in the One Pharma thread?

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/one-pharma-bulk-cyp.134359246/page-52#post-1204753

The 99% purity is obviously a red flag, but is there anything missing or clearly wrong in the contents?

 

[Dr JIM]

No I didn't and thanks for pointing that out but holy shit it's seems the "match" exceeds the purity of damn near all the research standard in common use today!

Now let's see this was an UGL RAW sample that was being tested, LMFAO!

I'm serious bc the sample is a 99% match to the RS and that approximates the IMPOSSIBLE, except perhaps in research facilities, but an UGL with raw purity of 99% BULLSHIT.

Consequently a legitimate argument would be the "Raw Sample" results are most consistent with a Research Standard reproduction after making a few LC/MS parameter adjustments.

This is EASILY accomplished by increasing the ionization current for instance!