*** Mass Specs on CBL HGH ***

[Carlito]

CBL started in Meso back in 2004 with the help and mentorship of Mike Strong and is been good to the community for 14 years straight. I am sure they are going to say CBL's bac water is also bunk yea sure, what a bunch or morons!

I asked Admin to be removed then you turds hacked into my account and even uploaded an avatar without my permission. I couldn't log into my account for hours, I never hear of such thing, was it your boyfriend Mod. BabyPoop who helped you? You guys edited my posts in order to make me look bad then banned me after a week I have been asking to end my sponsorship. You turds are like CNN and MSNBC obsessed with the president. Tell me, do you dream about me every night?

 

[janoshik]

You don't want to share the method?
Or is because you don't have any method whatsoever?

An HPLC machine is much more valuable than a method
cromatographers often share their methods with colleagues for free.

But you are not my colleague, customer, person with genuine interest or anybody who could have any useful input on that. Enough said.

Meanwhile tooting your own horn pompously to stroke your own ego. If that's what you call bringing to the board so be it.

I'm sure members will enjoy comparing the statements of ours.

Regarding what I bring to the board and the community, I'm sure the people can make up their own mind.

I have brought more to this community and board than you ever have or will and I've done it on my own dime and don't do it to make money.

I don't do it to make money.
...
Keep making money off the community. I know you see that as a contribution. If you were contributing and educating this board you would do it for cost, not a profit.

What exactly are your costs of running @Atlas_Physiques ?
Zero you say?

What exactly was your initial investment compared to running a fully equipped laboratory and what exactly was the risk of losing your zero investment should the business not take off?

So am I safe to assume you are providing the service to the people for free? You wouldn't do it for profit for sure.

Unless you are of course a massive hypocrite suffering from lack of back bone.

 

[janoshik]

Congratulations to derailing another thread, that was educating to other members, due to your fragile ego, Mands.

I'm sure you are proud of your contribution here.

 

[G2Ready]

What’s going on with this thread?

Wtf is going on in here....

Anyone else confused?

 

[G2Ready]

CBL started in Meso back in 2004 with the help and mentorship of Mike Strong and is been good to the community for 14 years straight. I am sure they are going to say CBL's bac water is also bunk yea sure, what a bunch or morons!

I asked Admin to be removed then you turds hacked into my account and even uploaded an avatar without my permission. I couldn't log into my account for hours, I never hear of such thing, was it your boyfriend Mod. BabyPoop who helped you? You guys edited my posts in order to make me look bad then banned me after a week I have been asking to end my sponsorship. You turds are like CNN and MSNBC obsessed with the president. Tell me, do you dream about me every night?

This prolly made since to you..., but what u talking about
Who is ur beef? What is ur beef?

 

[janoshik]

This prolly made since to you..., but what u talking about
Who is ur beef? What is ur beef?

I assume it's manufacturer of the GH, results of which were posted by the thread starter.

A lot more 'discussion' on the topic went on Anabolic Board, where he was, ultimately, banned. He was not really banned on the basis of bad results, but more on the basis of posts that were borderline lunatic and threatening.

 

[Wunderpus]

But you are not my colleague, customer, person with genuine interest or anybody who could have any useful input on that. Enough said.



I'm sure members will enjoy comparing the statements of ours.








What exactly are your costs of running @Atlas_Physiques ?
Zero you say?

What exactly was your initial investment compared to running a fully equipped laboratory and what exactly was the risk of losing your zero investment should the business not take off?

So am I safe to assume you are providing the service to the people for free? You wouldn't do it for profit for sure.

Unless you are of course a massive hypocrite suffering from lack of back bone.

Jano,

To answer your questions regarding Atlas Physiques...

The "costs" of running Atlas are fairly minimal, of course we need computers and Microsoft Word, etc. However, the true "cost" is our time. Our clients, I am certain, would attest to the amount of time we give them both in PMs, as well as their unique training and diet plans. These plans take hours to build, per client, every 2 weeks (sometimes more often, as they occasionally require or request changes mid-plan).

So, essentially, what is our time worth? I don't know the answer to that. But, none of our clients have ever complained about the costs of services, and some have been using our services for months... I take that as being "worth" it, to them.

I suppose the real issue here is, our results are real, whereas some of yours have been counterfeit in the past.

I hope this clears things up.

 

[mands]

But you are not my colleague, customer, person with genuine interest or anybody who could have any useful input on that. Enough said.



I'm sure members will enjoy comparing the statements of ours.








What exactly are your costs of running @Atlas_Physiques ?
Zero you say?

What exactly was your initial investment compared to running a fully equipped laboratory and what exactly was the risk of losing your zero investment should the business not take off?

So am I safe to assume you are providing the service to the people for free? You wouldn't do it for profit for sure.

Unless you are of course a massive hypocrite suffering from lack of back bone.

We are talking Apples to Oranges here and you know it. I've been here for 14 years(contributing my time, knowledge, buying anonymous products for testing, etc) and just recently started @Atlas_Physiques with @Wunderpus. Not even comparable. Have you ever seen me solicit my services or even boast about them? Talk about how awesome we are? Nope you haven't.

Believe me what we charge is more than reasonable. Unlike your results, ours are not counterfeit or bogus. That's why our customers pay for our services. They will always get the truth no matter what.

Congratulations to derailing another thread, that was educating to other members, due to your fragile ego, Mands.

I'm sure you are proud of your contribution here.

What is there to discuss? The GH is bunk END of discussion. Was letting a member unbeknownst to him you are a liar and will always be one.

mands

 

[janoshik]

Jano,

To answer your questions regarding Atlas Physiques...

The "costs" of running Atlas are fairly minimal, of course we need computers and Microsoft Word, etc. However, the true "cost" is our time. Our clients, I am certain, would attest to the amount of time we give them both in PMs, as well as their unique training and diet plans. These plans take hours to build, per client, every 2 weeks (sometimes more often, as they occasionally require or request changes mid-plan).

So, essentially, what is our time worth? I don't know the answer to that. But, none of our clients have ever complained about the costs of services, and some have been using our services for months... I take that as being "worth" it, to them.

I suppose the real issue here is, our results are real, whereas some of yours have been counterfeit in the past.

I hope this clears things up.

Yes I completely understand that the cost is your time, I've never suggested otherwise.

Just like it took me hundreds if not thousands of hours to educate myself, perfect the methods, just like it takes hours to answer all the emails to the customers. Just like it takes time to run the analyses and evaluate the results.

Your partner however seems to be, hopefully intentionally, although I have my doubts, obtuse when suggesting I should not value my time and knowledge at all.

Won't get into another discussion with you about the rest, not really worth my time and I don't care about your business in the slightest bit. It is just necessary to point out old Mands' hypocrisy, which I'm sure you are seeing as well. But you are being a friend and don't want to bring bad blood between you two. I understand it, no more need for your input, yours had been reasonable so far and let's keep it that way.

Have a nice day.

Unlike your results, ours are not counterfeit or bogus.

Well, who we had talking about comparing apples and oranges and then comparing couching and analytics next sentence. You ain't the sharpest one.

Let's compare something comparable, like your little successful AAA project with JIM - your results are just straight out wrong.

How many wrong results have you supplied to the public and how many honest people have that hurt?
And how many of those samples were trash but your testing couldn't determine that and you know it?

So did Jim not lie about the AAA testing and his qualifications in order to make it more believable?
Did you ever have the backbone to call him out on it?

No, you completely lack one, only thing you were ever able to do was keeping your mouth shut and tiptoeing around. Real show of character and moral superiority Mands. You sure are going to be a great example.

Ever considered issuing an apology for that screw up?
Or will you just make another "AAA might not be the ideal method" remark as if nothing happened at some point in future again?

Everybody makes mistakes and the one I've made fades in comparison to what you are willing to overlook in others.

You've just made that personal, because your fragile ego can't handle people being happy with my services and you don't hesitate to overstate anything to the point of blatant lies, even straight out making stuff up or using your friends to make unprecedented steps in order to harm my business.

If making people happy with my service and helping them out is upsetting you, I can assure you you'll have a lot more grey hairs soon.

What is there to discuss? The GH is bunk END of discussion. Was letting a member unbeknownst to him you are a liar and will always be one.

mands

So my report is conclusive evidence. Glad hearing that.

No more need to talk to you, do what you do the best.

The picture will be great for future reference.

 

[Wunderpus]

Yes I completely understand that the cost is your time, I've never suggested otherwise.

Just like it took me hundreds if not thousands of hours to educate myself, perfect the methods, just like it takes hours to answer all the emails to the customers. Just like it takes time to run the analyses and evaluate the results. I've been having regular customers for 5 years now.

Your partner however seems to be, hopefully intentionally, although I have my doubts, obtuse when suggesting I should not value my time and knowledge at all.

Won't get into another discussion with you about the rest, not really worth my time and I don't care about your business in the slightest bit. It is just necessary to point out old Mands' hypocrisy, which I'm sure you are seeing as well. But you are being a friend and don't want to bring bad blood between you two. I understand it, no more need for your input, yours had been reasonable so far and let's keep it that way.

Have a nice day.


Well, who we had talking about comparing apples and oranges and then comparing couching and analytics next sentence. You ain't the sharpest one.

Let's compare something comparable, like your little successful AAA project with JIM - your results are just straight out wrong.

How many wrong results have you supplied to the public and how many honest people have that hurt?
And how many of those samples were trash but your testing couldn't determine that and you know it?

So did Jim not lie about the AAA testing and his qualifications in order to make it more believable?
Did you ever have the backbone to call him out on it?

No, you completely lack one, only thing you were ever able to do was keeping your mouth shut and tiptoeing around. Real show of character and moral superiority Mands. You sure are going to be a great example.

Ever considered issuing an apology for that screw up?
Or will you just make another "AAA might not be the ideal method" remark as if nothing happened at some point in future again?

Everybody makes mistakes and the one I've made fades in comparison to what you are willing to overlook in others.

You've just made that personal, because your fragile ego can't handle people being happy with my services and you don't hesitate to overstate anything to the point of blatant lies, even straight out making stuff up or using your friends to make unprecedented steps in order to harm my business.

If making people happy with my service and helping them out is upsetting you, I can assure you you'll have a lot more grey hairs soon.



So my report is conclusive evidence. Glad hearing that.

No more need to talk to you, do what you do the best.

While I appreciate you determining how I should, and should not, allocate my time, it's truly not necessary. If you did not care about our business, you wouldn't have brought it up. But, you did, and that involves me.

If you have a bone to pick with Mands, go for it. Keep it that way, but don't involve Atlas as that involves me, too. Mands is fully capable of defending himself. I took a preemptive measure when Atlas was mentioned, as I am just as much Atlas as Mands is.

There is no hypocrisy that I see on Mands end... There would be no bad blood between Mands and I, we are friends outside of Meso. We have a good business relationship, and friendship, both of which your business is irrelevant to. I would prefer you keep your personal issues with Mands, between you and Mands.

Thanks.

 

[janoshik]

While I appreciate you determining how I should, and should not, allocate my time, it's truly not necessary. If you did not care about our business, you wouldn't have brought it up. But, you did, and that involves me.

If you have a bone to pick with Mands, go for it. Keep it that way, but don't involve Atlas as that involves me, too. Mands is fully capable of defending himself. I took a preemptive measure when Atlas was mentioned, as I am just as much Atlas as Mands is.

You did not get the point. I'll try to be more clear.

The point is not being with the Atlas, the point is that while Mands suggests that I'm not beneficial to the community if I make profit on my business. So he suggests that I shouldn't take any money for neither my time nor my investment risk, while he is indeed making money from the members for his time.

Understand that it doesn't have nothing to do involving you or Atlas, really? And see the double measure now? You might choose not to see the hypocrisy, but I can assure you, it is there.

Next thing he'll bash a source for not selling vials for manufacturing costs if the source wants to help the community.

Good luck with your business.

I would prefer you keep your personal issues with Mands, between you and Mands.

Thanks.

I'm keeping it that way.

Addressing that to @mands might be better suited.

Thanks.

 

[mands]

Yes I completely understand that the cost is your time, I've never suggested otherwise.

Just like it took me hundreds if not thousands of hours to educate myself, perfect the methods, just like it takes hours to answer all the emails to the customers. Just like it takes time to run the analyses and evaluate the results.

Your partner however seems to be, hopefully intentionally, although I have my doubts, obtuse when suggesting I should not value my time and knowledge at all.

Won't get into another discussion with you about the rest, not really worth my time and I don't care about your business in the slightest bit. It is just necessary to point out old Mands' hypocrisy, which I'm sure you are seeing as well. But you are being a friend and don't want to bring bad blood between you two. I understand it, no more need for your input, yours had been reasonable so far and let's keep it that way.

Have a nice day.


Well, who we had talking about comparing apples and oranges and then comparing couching and analytics next sentence. You ain't the sharpest one.

Let's compare something comparable, like your little successful AAA project with JIM - your results are just straight out wrong.

How many wrong results have you supplied to the public and how many honest people have that hurt?
And how many of those samples were trash but your testing couldn't determine that and you know it?

So did Jim not lie about the AAA testing and his qualifications in order to make it more believable?
Did you ever have the backbone to call him out on it?

No, you completely lack one, only thing you were ever able to do was keeping your mouth shut and tiptoeing around. Real show of character and moral superiority Mands. You sure are going to be a great example.

Ever considered issuing an apology for that screw up?
Or will you just make another "AAA might not be the ideal method" remark as if nothing happened at some point in future again?

Everybody makes mistakes and the one I've made fades in comparison to what you are willing to overlook in others.

You've just made that personal, because your fragile ego can't handle people being happy with my services and you don't hesitate to overstate anything to the point of blatant lies, even straight out making stuff up or using your friends to make unprecedented steps in order to harm my business.

If making people happy with my service and helping them out is upsetting you, I can assure you you'll have a lot more grey hairs soon.



So my report is conclusive evidence. Glad hearing that.

No more need to talk to you, do what you do the best.

The picture will be great for future reference.

Are you that delusional that you think I have tried to hurt your business. You have done that yourself. Typical liar. Always blaming someone else but themselves.

Since your comprehension level is way off... As you do repeatedly over and over and then blame it on your lack of sleep. REPEAT, REPEAT, REPEAT, I have never told anyone ever you don't have the capabilities to test or lack knowledge on the subject.

You can ask anyone that has PM'ed about you wanting to use your services. I tell them the truth and let them decide. I hope some will come into this thread and vouch for what I've said in PM about you. Only then might you comprehend, you supercilious jack ass.

@Dr JIM never claimed to be an expert. We were using chemist that were. I can only tell you what they were emailing me about the samples. You yourself said or do I need it dig it up your quote that AAA can be used to analyze HGH.

What sort of blatant lies do I set forth about you? Don't even answer you are wasting members time and money not getting your testing done. Go back to work.

mands

 

[janoshik]

Since your comprehension level is way off... As you do repeatedly over and over and then blame it on your lack of sleep. REPEAT, REPEAT, REPEAT, I have never told anyone ever you don't have the capabilities to test or lack knowledge on the subject.

You can ask anyone that has PM'ed about you wanting to use your services. I tell them the truth and let them decide. I hope some will come into this thread and vouch for what I've said in PM about you. Only then might you comprehend, you supercilious jack ass.

Talking about comprehension and then taking a defense about something I've never even disputed. Smart one indeed.

@Dr JIM never claimed to be an expert. We were using chemist that were. I can only tell you what they were emailing me about the samples. You yourself said or do I need it dig it up your quote that AAA can be used to analyze HGH.

What sort of blatant lies do I set forth about you? Don't even answer you are wasting members time and money not getting your testing done. Go back to work.

mands

Did JIM repeatedly lie in regard to AAA? (Hint keyword: golden standard)
Does JIM regularly lie about being a doctor?

Easy two questions. Nothing but a lack of testicles would prevent you from answering them over and over again.

And did you ever dispute that, despite you knowing it to be falsehood?

---

You can analyze GH by sticking it up rat's ass and measure how much weight the rat gains.
Does that make it a reliable and sufficient method? D'oh, smart guy.

---

Regarding the work I've decided I'm on a holiday right now.
Maybe you could ask your boss for one too if you hadn't been flaming instead of working during office hours.

Have a nice day.

 

[janoshik]

This is getting old fast. Let's just post funny pictures or something instead.

 

[Dr JIM]

1) Agreed @mands throughout our PMs you have insisted Jano-0-ass is knowledgeable and perhaps he is IDK, it's just that I have a great deal of difficultly accepting the notion competency is more important than honesty in an established fraud.

Hurt his business --- imagine how many folk have been spared dry-lab test results, now thats a complement IMO

2) Jano mentioned the reliability of the AAA we conducted in our first GH assay thread heck the clown even admitted the assays were GTG, not that I give a hoot.

3) His BS began once he realized much of what he was attempting to accomplish, such as promoting his lab service, was going to be a tough sell on Meso, esp after
it became apparent Jano was the responsible corridor for the HGH labs posted on Pro Muscle, many of which were discredited.

Jim

1) I hope some will come into this thread and vouch for what I've said in PM about you. Only then might you comprehend, you supercilious jack ass.

2) You yourself said or do I need it dig it up your quote that AAA can be used to analyze HGH.

3) What sort of blatant lies do I set forth about you? Don't even answer you are wasting members time and money not getting your testing done. Go back to work.

mands

 

[Dr JIM]

Jano, can you explain to us what these graphs mean?

NOTHING

From these graphs alone one may conclude a single compound was injected into a chemical separator machine.

There is NO way to know if that compound was HGH or it's concentration based upon this info alone!

And BTW an Amino Acid Assay (which is similar to and uses HPLC technology) can help verify a labs veracity bc it's one of the few analytical assays in use today that does quantify and qualify the number and characteristics of the amino acids present in a sample.

Add the numbers and proportions of AA up and you should have HGH, in a specific concentration.

 

[Carlito]

I knew I was right about this Jano guy. I even remember the same guys that "hired" him were bad mouthing him during the HGHpro ordeal , someone suggested Jano testing HGHPro's GH and they said he wasn't reliable instead they were suggesting someone else and is why I was surprised when I saw his fake test result. Once these VIPs read the good reviews on CBL's GH they felt threatened. BTW I am here just to defend myself since I can't on AB. Honestly I am very much relieved to see other vets from this forum certify that Jano is nothing but a con artist. I am going to refer all of my friends to come and read this thread to show them I wasn't wrong.

 

[Dr JIM]

I knew I was right about this Jano guy. I even remember the same guys that "hired" him were bad mouthing him during the HGHpro ordeal , someone suggested Jano testing HGHPro's GH and they said he wasn't reliable instead they were suggesting someone else and is why I was surprised when I saw his fake test result. Once these VIPs read the good reviews on CBL's GH they felt threatened. BTW I am here just to defend myself since I can't on AB. Honestly I am very much relieved to see other vets from this forum certify that Jano is nothing but a con artist. I am going to refer all of my friends to come and read this thread to show them I wasn't wrong.

Wait I'm not saying nor can I conclude the result is bogus IDK, but from a historical perspective, Ive learned some folk can't be trusted and Jano is one of them IMO.

And since HGH is an uncontrolled substance there's really no need for clandestine testing such as that which Jano is offering.

 

[Doug_S]

NOTHING

From these graphs alone one may conclude a single compound was injected into a chemical separator machine.

There is NO way to know if that compound was HGH or it's concentration based upon this info alone!

And BTW an Amino Acid Assay (which is similar to and uses HPLC technology) can help verify a labs veracity bc it's one of the few analytical assays in use today that does quantify and qualify the number and characteristics of the amino acids present in a sample.

Add the numbers and proportions of AA up and you should have HGH, in a specific concentration.

What the fuck do you mean "verify the labs' veracity?"

That means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Hey dipshit, know what verifies a lab's abilities? It's called a Level IV data validation.

You said you had standards. If you were so gung-ho to prove Jano wrong, WHY didn't you send them in blind?

Why do you talk shit? Your AAA was a good start, but it was no more than screening- level data. Good screening level data though.

You remind me of the some of tge PhDs who I deal with. They use big words and spew jargon to impress. The salty dogs in the room know they are full of shit.

 

[Carlito]

Wait I'm not saying nor can I conclude the result is bogus IDK, but from a historical perspective, Ive learned some folk can't be trusted and Jano is one of them IMO.

And since HGH is an uncontrolled substance there's really no need for clandestine testing such as that which Jano is offering.

Yes of course and that is fine I am just glad I am not the only one who suspects of Jano being dishonest.
Thank you
C