*** Mass Specs on CBL HGH ***

[master.on]

I always knew that. He is just getting paid to do a bogus test paid by a bunch of sore VIPs who not only sell GH on their VIP rooms but also recs and meds, I already know it and these guys wouldn't even believe one of their own told me.

Exactly

But you are not my colleague, customer, person with genuine interest or anybody who could have any useful input on that. Enough said.

Google can help you find like a dozen GH methods in 5 minutes
but I want to know what test are YOU using.

What’s going on with this thread?

Wtf is going on in here....

Anyone else confused?

Jano has been exposed as fraud, yet again.

Yes I completely understand that the cost is your time, I've never suggested otherwise.

Just like it took me hundreds if not thousands of hours to educate myself, perfect the methods, just like it takes hours to answer all the emails to the customers. Just like it takes time to run the analyses and evaluate the results.

Bullshit
the competition among HPLC manufacturers is so fierce, and prices have dropped so low (some even below $30k for manual inject systems)

That manufacturers will spend about a week to teach HPLC "basics" to customers.
That "basic training" can get customers well versed, unless they're total morons.
Then customers can find methods online and begin testing.

The big hurdle is equipment PRICE, not as much skill.
Do you even own an HPLC machine?

NOTHING

From these graphs alone one may conclude a single compound was injected into a chemical separator machine.

There is NO way to know if that compound was HGH or it's concentration based upon this info alone!

And BTW an Amino Acid Assay (which is similar to and uses HPLC technology) can help verify a labs veracity bc it's one of the few analytical assays in use today that does quantify and qualify the number and characteristics of the amino acids present in a sample.

Add the numbers and proportions of AA up and you should have HGH, in a specific concentration.

100% agree.
The chart doesn't really say anything.
Especially suspicious considering @janoshik refuses to disclose his testing method, when they can be found online for free.

Wait I'm not saying nor can I conclude the result is bogus IDK, but from a historical perspective, Ive learned some folk can't be trusted and Jano is one of them IMO.

And since HGH is an uncontrolled substance there's really no need for clandestine testing such as that which Jano is offering.

Right on the nail.
GH ain't controlled so why so much secrecy?

What the fuck do you mean "verify the labs' veracity?"

That means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Hey dipshit, know what verifies a lab's abilities? It's called a Level IV data validation.

You said you had standards. If you were so gung-ho to prove Jano wrong, WHY didn't you send them in blind?

Why do you talk shit? Your AAA was a good start, but it was no more than screening- level data. Good screening level data though.

You remind me of the some of tge PhDs who I deal with. They use big words and spew jargon to impress. The salty dogs in the room know they are full of shit.

Jano failure to disclose his methods leaves you wondering if he actually has an HPLC machine.

 

[Steve84]

Whatever it is....
I'm going to call somewhat bullshit....

Yes I know Jano had his issue.

He tests one of my sources raw's.
Analyzer tested the final product.
I trust the source and worked with them on the results which due to the combination of knowing the raw's, knowing the source.... Found errors in analyzers test results.
Leading to a retest and the results lines up almost perfect.

So again find some of this bullshit...
Would be happy one day to actually put Jano to the test on a sample.

But to mands, acknowledging what happened that puts I guess a mistake a mistake.
And hard time with Jano despite it all.

However he has been great working with to help me with a different tester....

 

[Dr JIM]

Whatever it is....
I'm going to call somewhat bullshit....

Yes I know Jano had his issue.

He tests one of my sources raw's.
Analyzer tested the final product.
I trust the source and worked with them on the results which due to the combination of knowing the raw's, knowing the source.... Found errors in analyzers test results.
Leading to a retest and the results lines up almost perfect.

So again find some of this bullshit...
Would be happy one day to actually put Jano to the test on a sample.

But to mands, acknowledging what happened that puts I guess a mistake a mistake.
And hard time with Jano despite it all.



However he has been great working with to help me with a different tester....

I would believe Analyzers assays over Jano's any day of the year.

Most people don't understand there's ONE inexcusable and unforgivable error in lab science, so serious some labs have had their licenses revoked and researchers dismissed as a result of such conduct, the deliberate use/presentation of counterfeit results as being legitimate.

In lab circles it's often referred to as "dry-lab" assay.

 

[Steve84]

I would believe Analyzers assays over Jano's any day of the year.

Most people don't understand there's ONE inexcusable and unforgivable error in lab science, so serious some labs have had their licenses revoked and researchers dismissed as a result of such conduct, the deliberate use/presentation of counterfeit results as being legitimate.

In lab circles it's often referred to as "dry-lab" assay.

Nice try....
But it was Jano that educated Analyzer, which led to Analyzer revising reports.
But I get your bias...

Just stating facts that did occur.

 

[Dr JIM]

Nice try....
But it was Jano that educated Analyzer, which led to Analyzer revising reports.
But I get your bias...

Just stating facts that did occur.

Jano educating anyone, is an oxymoron.

Better believe I’m biased.

I know a con man when I see one
and Jano IS a con man who would sell you, me and anyone else for a buck.

Jano dug his own grave on Meso,
and that’s an fact.

 

[mtt]

Wait I'm not saying nor can I conclude the result is bogus IDK, but from a historical perspective, Ive learned some folk can't be trusted and Jano is one of them IMO.

And since HGH is an uncontrolled substance there's really no need for clandestine testing such as that which Jano is offering.

Do you know of any legit labs that will test hgh provided in a 10iu vial. If so, can you name them and how they can be contacted for testing.

 

[G2Ready]

Since your comprehension level is way off... As you do repeatedly over and over and then blame it on your lack of sleep. REPEAT, REPEAT, REPEAT, I have never told anyone ever you don't have the capabilities to test or lack knowledge on the subject.

You can ask anyone that has PM'ed about you wanting to use your services. I tell them the truth and let them decide. I hope some will come into this thread and vouch for what I've said in PM about you. Only then might you comprehend, you supercilious jack ass.

mands

@janoshik I started a convo with @mands before I tried you out.

I respect his opinion, and even after his guidance still chose to use you for what I needed tested.

Although I don’t post specifics of any personal message between members... the conversation was aimed at your integrity in the past, and actually some favor to your ability to test which is ultimately why I chose to have you run a test.

@mands i feel is calling it how he feels by your previous situation... some people once crossed never forgive

 

[janoshik]

@janoshik I started a convo with @mands before I tried you out.

I respect his opinion, and even after his guidance still chose to use you for what I needed tested.

Although I don’t post specifics of any personal message between members... the conversation was aimed at your integrity in the past, and actually some favor to your ability to test which is ultimately why I chose to have you run a test.

@mands i feel is calling it how he feels by your previous situation... some people once crossed never forgive

Thank you for your input.
Like I said in one of my previous posts - I have never really said that Mands disputes anything but my moral integrity(where he, however, doesn't hesitate to say I'm literally the antichrist among other things which is... well, laughable and in my opinion a good pointer to necessity of some sort of therapy) in regard to testing. Other stuff he made up is not really important in this altogether.

I'm fairly sure just recently I've posted (maybe elsewhere) "even people who outright despise me acknowledge my abilities."

I had exactly Mands in mind in that regard.

The only people who have doubts about my professional ability is psychotic bunk GH source, loonie master.on and wannabe doctor Jim.

I don't really want his forgiveness, he's not getting mine, but he might consider not acting like a child. He already begged out a sticky because his ego couldn't handle me increasing my presence here, so if he's going to spam around with his dead horse beating, he can be sure I'll call him out on his BS. Continuing to do so will only leave him associated with the three graces, Chavo, master.on, JIM and the like.

 

[G2Ready]

Thank you for your input.
Like I said in one of my previous posts - I have never really said that Mands disputes anything but my moral integrity(where he, however, doesn't hesitate to say I'm literally the antichrist among other things which is... well, laughable and in my opinion a good pointer to necessity of some sort of therapy) in regard to testing. Other stuff he made up is not really important in this altogether.

I'm fairly sure just recently I've posted (maybe elsewhere) "even people who outright despise me acknowledge my abilities."

I had exactly Mands in mind in that regard.

The only people who have doubts about my professional ability is psychotic bunk GH source, loonie master.on and wannabe doctor Jim.

I don't really want his forgiveness, he's not getting mine, but he might consider not acting like a child. He already begged out a sticky because his ego couldn't handle me increasing my presence here, so if he's going to spam around with his dead horse beating, he can be sure I'll call him out on his BS. Continuing to do so will only leave him associated with the three graces, Chavo, master.on, JIM and the like.

U have to admit the previous situation makes it look like you can be purchased.

Guessing taking pics of recieved samples is a new step....?

 

[heady muscle]

Yeah he goes out of the way for all of us. lol So far out of the way he lies about testing samples and then reports he does(gives false test results). Gets caught and then goes so far out of the way he doesn't admit his lies until a year later to try and gain business over here at meso. Stand up dude right there.

Hey but it worked because people don't research and go into most things blindly.

But, it's okay now because he's better at controlling his anger.

mands

: )

 

[Doug_S]

I know a con man when I see one

Yes. Because you see one every morning when you look in the mirror. You have repeatedly spouted bunk about recombinant DNA and basic analytical technology that is just...WRONG.

My personal favorite was when someone asked what it means if the GH has ecoli particles in it and you stated it was contaminated with bacteria....

You can't be a doctor because the polymerase chain reaction was invented early nineties and you would have gotten those classes in college. You would have taken organic chemistry and would understand the basics of mass spec, which you have proven you don't.

Jano claims you are a nurse, but every nurse I know took organic chemistry. I think you are actually a nursing assistant.

 

[janoshik]

U have to admit the previous situation makes it look like you can be purchased.

Guessing taking pics of recieved samples is a new step....?

I disagree here. There are many people who can attest I cannot be purchased. Many have tried and had they succeeded, somebody would hear about it in the past 5 years, don't you agree?

It would be better put like the situation makes it look as if I fabricated the result, which was not even delivered on an official report, when I was unable to receive the sample which I offered to test for free as a favor. Funny how narrative can lead to such varying descriptions.

Anyway, for the past two years I've been taking pictures of every single sample received - which is often conveniently overlooked by naysayers. I have also always been open to suggestions.

I'm sure everybody here ran their first business immaculately at first.

 

[G2Ready]

I'm sure everybody here ran their first business immaculately at first.

Not at all.... that’s why I was pointing out your improvement of taking pictures.

Again... amazing how perception affects the way someone reads something

Sometimes in buisness the best answer to criticism isn’t to stick up for why you did something (excuses)
But show methods/improvements of how it won’t happen again

Again I’m not attacking... I actually want you to do well.....
I like testing

 

[janoshik]

Not at all.... that’s why I was pointing out your improvement of taking pictures.

Again... amazing how perception affects the way someone reads something

Sometimes in buisness the best answer to criticism isn’t to stick up for why you did something (excuses)
But show methods/improvements of how it won’t happen again

Again I’m not attacking... I actually want you to do well.....
I like testing

I understand, I really appreciate your input and understand your stance. I've implemented the methods to prevent anything like that from happening immediately after the fiasco.

As I've mentioned before, my main answer to negativity posted on my address is to make my customers satisfied with my service and to help educating the public so people can make their own decisions.

Thank you!

 

[master.on]

I would believe Analyzers assays over Jano's any day of the year.

Most people don't understand there's ONE inexcusable and unforgivable error in lab science, so serious some labs have had their licenses revoked and researchers dismissed as a result of such conduct, the deliberate use/presentation of counterfeit results as being legitimate.

In lab circles it's often referred to as "dry-lab" assay.

Analyzer had access to top-notch, 6-figure+ worth of equipment.

@janoshik appears to have a roulette at best, if not just dice to pull out numbers out of his arse.

Nice try....
But it was Jano that educated Analyzer, which led to Analyzer revising reports.
But I get your bias...

Just stating facts that did occur.

Jano educating anyone, is an oxymoron.

Better believe I’m biased.

I know a con man when I see one
and Jano IS a con man who would sell you, me and anyone else for a buck.

Jano dug his own grave on Meso,
and that’s an fact.

Analyzer asked @janoshik technical questions and @janoshik didn't know shit.

Then @janoshik became bitching to try to divert attention
but bitching ain't educating.

Do you know of any legit labs that will test hgh provided in a 10iu vial. If so, can you name them and how they can be contacted for testing.

At least do bloodwork
It's not very accurate, but it's way better than @janoshik dice tossing.

Thank you for your input.
Like I said in one of my previous posts - I have never really said that Mands disputes anything but my moral integrity(where he, however, doesn't hesitate to say I'm literally the antichrist among other things which is... well, laughable and in my opinion a good pointer to necessity of some sort of therapy) in regard to testing. Other stuff he made up is not really important in this altogether.

I'm fairly sure just recently I've posted (maybe elsewhere) "even people who outright despise me acknowledge my abilities."

I had exactly Mands in mind in that regard.

The only people who have doubts about my professional ability is psychotic bunk GH source, loonie master.on and wannabe doctor Jim.

I don't really want his forgiveness, he's not getting mine, but he might consider not acting like a child. He already begged out a sticky because his ego couldn't handle me increasing my presence here, so if he's going to spam around with his dead horse beating, he can be sure I'll call him out on his BS. Continuing to do so will only leave him associated with the three graces, Chavo, master.on, JIM and the like.

Yara yara yara
Where's your testing method @janoshik ?
You claim to own a $50k HPLC machine but refuse to share a method that you can find for free online?

What's the problem with sharing the method?
Are you afraid of getting caught lying?

I disagree here. There are many people who can attest I cannot be purchased. Many have tried and had they succeeded, somebody would hear about it in the past 5 years, don't you agree?

It would be better put like the situation makes it look as if I fabricated the result, which was not even delivered on an official report, when I was unable to receive the sample which I offered to test for free as a favor. Funny how narrative can lead to such varying descriptions.

Anyway, for the past two years I've been taking pictures of every single sample received - which is often conveniently overlooked by naysayers. I have also always been open to suggestions.

I'm sure everybody here ran their first business immaculately at first.

Yara yara yara
Where's your testing method @janoshik ?
You claim to own a $50k HPLC machine but refuse to share a method that you can find for free online?

What's the problem with sharing the method?
Are you afraid of getting caught lying?

I understand, I really appreciate your input and understand your stance. I've implemented the methods to prevent anything like that from happening immediately after the fiasco.

As I've mentioned before, my main answer to negativity posted on my address is to make my customers satisfied with my service and to help educating the public so people can make their own decisions.

Thank you!

Yara yara yara
Where's your testing method @janoshik ?
You claim to own a $50k HPLC machine but refuse to share a method that you can find for free online?

What's the problem with sharing the method?
Are you afraid of getting caught lying?

 

[G2Ready]

@master.on

Where’s one sample you had tested? Anywhere,anyone,anytime?

Where’s even a blood work you have posted?

 

[muscle96ss]

Back to the topic of the post; Carlito is a delusional liar who has become unhinged. Anybody looking to see the true story can goto AB and see what happened. The short summary/cliff note is that he was buying raw unlypholized GH powder and bottling it himself by simply adding some mannitol to it. Several people complained about their results and asked for more information on how his GH could be stable without lypholization. Carlito danced around having any discussion and accused the people questioning him of a conspiracy against him. So they had it tested and it came bunk as many had suspected. Carlito dismissed the test, refused to have it tested by anbody else, refused to show blood work from himself or any member that purchased it; and went on a crazy rampage. Now that he is banned by a very patient Admin, he comes here and runs off his mouth. Those directly involved can post more details if they choose.

 

[Carlito]

Back to the topic of the post; Carlito is a delusional liar who has become unhinged. Anybody looking to see the true story can goto AB and see what happened. The short summary/cliff note is that he was buying raw unlypholized GH powder and bottling it himself by simply adding some mannitol to it. Several people complained about their results and asked for more information on how his GH could be stable without lypholization. Carlito danced around having any discussion and accused the people questioning him of a conspiracy against him. So they had it tested and it came bunk as many had suspected. Carlito dismissed the test, refused to have it tested by anbody else, refused to show blood work from himself or any member that purchased it; and went on a crazy rampage. Now that he is banned by a very patient Admin, he comes here and runs off his mouth. Those directly involved can post more details if they choose.

Not sure what your obsession with me is if CBL is closed for good. What are you VIPS trying to accomplish? You didn't like the fact that I call you out for what you guys really are uh? All the garbage that goes on on your VIP forum.

 

[muscle96ss]

Details about how you AB VIPS sell "garbage" in your VIP forum? You don't think I know? There is one of your own who have told me and you wouldn't believe who it is. Maybe is more than one. Anyway, not sure what your obsession with me is if CBL is closed for good. What do you want to accomplish? You are a member here for 5 years and I am since 2004.

What are you talking about?? Why don't you be more specific, so whomever you are making accusations against can defend themselves. I have only been a VIP there for a few years; but have never seen that. And it doesn't make sense; why would someone allow someone to sell "garbage" to VIP's? Let me guess; being a VIP is really just a set-up to rip them off?

And actually I have been a member of Meso since early 2000's when it was a source board. I was absent for some years when the format changed and had to start over when I came back. And I'm not sure what that has to do with anything anyways.

What do I hope to accomplish here? Simply setting the record straight. You had a really good reputation at AB for years but lately something happened and you have been acting completely out of character. And the posts you made on your way out were way out of line and completely over the edge. You are not the victim. This all could have been handled in a much better manner, but you chose to take the low, low route. And then when its all over, you still aren't satisfied and come here to reignite the fire and talk shit about AB. You can anything you want, just provide actual facts and evidence.

 

[muscle96ss]

Not sure what your obsession with me is if CBL is closed for good. What are you VIPS trying to accomplish? You didn't like the fact that I call you out for what you guys really are uh? All the garbage that goes on on your VIP forum.

Why do you keep editing and changing your post?