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*** Mass Specs on CBL HGH ***

Warhead14 said:
Carlito, I too have been on here since 2004 and have been an advocate for you on the past. You should have had a contingency in place in case your self bottling scheme didnt work. Beyond that, the man who tested your substance is legitimate, we know this. I know these vets, they aren't out to get you, they were hoping that you could be a good source of HGH. Its your response thats telling the story here, besides the labs...
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Vets who believe in re-bottling HGH raws. Lol.
 
Carlito said:
Forgive me if I am mistaken but do you offer testing services as well? I definitely don't want to do business with Steve Janoski. The reason I ask is because I plan on doing some testing on some GH, possibly some methenolone enanthate as well.
Thank you!
C
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No I don't.
Although I'm well versed in chromatography, I don't offer any testing services.

I was asking @janoshik to disclose his testing method to prove or disprove his claims
as the chart he posted can be ANYTHING, even sugary water.
 
master.on said:
No I don't.
Although I'm well versed in chromatography, I don't offer any testing services.

I was asking @janoshik to disclose his testing method to prove or disprove his claims
as the chart he posted can be ANYTHING, even sugary water.
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Oh ok I see thank you! I am no expert but I have seen many HPLCs and Mass specs one too many times from my suppliers. Years ago when I sold supplements online I ordered Epistane powder from China so I had it tested and let me tell you the report I received was a full report consisting of a couple of pages with graphs other detailed info about the test not the kindergarten report Stevie Janowski posted.
 
Carlito said:
Oh ok I see thank you! I am no expert but I have seen many HPLCs and Mass specs one too many times from my suppliers. Years ago when I sold supplements online I ordered Epistane powder from China so I had it tested and let me tell you the report I received was a full report consisting of a couple of pages with graphs other detailed info about the test not the kindergarten report Stevie Janowski posted.
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Who is this Steve Janowski you keep posting about? Is it some sort of joke I'm not getting?
 
master.on said:
No I don't.
Although I'm well versed in chromatography, I don't offer any testing services.

I was asking @janoshik to disclose his testing method to prove or disprove his claims
as the chart he posted can be ANYTHING, even sugary water.
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The only thing your well versed in is the use of google.
 
Carlito said:
There it is! If CBL has been scamming for long 14 years like your VIP friends are now saying on a daily basis at AB why you being a VIP would speak highly of CBL and its products? I don't get it. Also, I know of the mass PMs the AB staff is sending to all members. Remember I may not be there but I got eyes and ears that see and hear for me over there. I have no beef with you nor do I want any, we had a good run so let's leave at that my friend.
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Nobody is claiming you have been scamming for years. If the GH was truly an honest mistake why not let everyone know it was unintentional, and that you would refund or replace with gear. That is the actions of an honest man with integrity. You simply had to know you couldn't bottle your own GH having been in the supplement business for so long.
 
When I say scheme, what I meant was a way to perhaps get HGH in the country and bottle yourself. I am all for innovation, but if it doesnt work you cant just get on one about how everyone is just being mean or something. You fucked up now fix the shit. Stop playing games like a little boy. Open up a can of man and fix it.
 
master.on said:
I'm well versed in chromatography
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Sure you are ;)

master.on said:
I was asking @janoshik to disclose his testing method to prove or disprove his claims
as the chart he posted can be ANYTHING, even sugary water.
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Well, if you knew anything at all, you'd know that both sugar and water have no UV response at 214 nm. So no, it can't really be sugary water.

I have zero obligation to disclose anything to you - and I will not, not matter how many phishing emails you'll make. Get over it and go bother somebody else.


muscle96ss said:
Who is this Steve Janowski you keep posting about? Is it some sort of joke I'm not getting?
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That's a guy he that has similar name to my nickname who once ordered from him, I gather, therefore he believes it's me. I think he said something similar to that on Anabolic Board as well, when he suggested I should keep quiet or he will look up my address or something along the lines (because my name rang a bell for him). That's why he thought I'm from the US.

Therefore this guy doesn't hesitate to use personal information such as name of his customer in order to have a... puny remark. That's just an assumption, but damn. Also he apparently stores the info for years.

It's not even insulting when he tries to downplay my work anymore, just kind of pathetic. It was not my work that dug his grave, it's his behavior.
 
janoshik said:
Sure you are ;)


Well, if you knew anything at all, you'd know that both sugar and water have no UV response at 214 nm. So no, it can't really be sugary water.

I have zero obligation to disclose anything to you - and I will not, not matter how many phishing emails you'll make. Get over it and go bother somebody else.



That's a guy he that has similar name to my nickname who once ordered from him, I gather, therefore he believes it's me. I think he said something similar to that on Anabolic Board as well, when he suggested I should keep quiet or he will look up my address or something along the lines (because my name rang a bell for him). That's why he thought I'm from the US.

Therefore this guy doesn't hesitate to use personal information such as name of his customer in order to have a... puny remark. That's just an assumption, but damn. Also he apparently stores the info for years.

It's not even insulting when he tries to downplay my work anymore, just kind of pathetic. It was not my work that dug his grave, it's his behavior.
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What personal info? Stevei Janowski is a fictional character not a customer. I have a dark sarcastic sense of humor.
 
Carlito said:
Oh ok I see thank you! I am no expert but I have seen many HPLCs and Mass specs one too many times from my suppliers. Years ago when I sold supplements online I ordered Epistane powder from China so I had it tested and let me tell you the report I received was a full report consisting of a couple of pages with graphs other detailed info about the test not the kindergarten report Stevie Janowski posted.
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While the carts and tables aren't that hard to understand,

but tests are only valid if they have proper reference standards
BTW I doubt there are commercial MS spectra (charts) for epistane. At least they aren't listed in NIST or Wiley.

May I ask where did you test it?



Jstone2 said:
Nobody is claiming you have been scamming for years. If the GH was truly an honest mistake why not let everyone know it was unintentional, and that you would refund or replace with gear. That is the actions of an honest man with integrity. You simply had to know you couldn't bottle your own GH having been in the supplement business for so long.
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Warhead14 said:
When I say scheme, what I meant was a way to perhaps get HGH in the country and bottle yourself. I am all for innovation, but if it doesnt work you cant just get on one about how everyone is just being mean or something. You fucked up now fix the shit. Stop playing games like a little boy. Open up a can of man and fix it.
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There's much more than simply pouring GH powder in vials with funnels.

You'd need to dissolve GH in a solvent and evaporate the latter
most preferably under vacuum.
Google lyophilization and you'll see what I mean.



janoshik said:
Sure you are ;)


Well, if you knew anything at all, you'd know that both sugar and water have no UV response at 214 nm. So no, it can't really be sugary water.

I have zero obligation to disclose anything to you - and I will not, not matter how many phishing emails you'll make. Get over it and go bother somebody else.



That's a guy he that has similar name to my nickname who once ordered from him, I gather, therefore he believes it's me. I think he said something similar to that on Anabolic Board as well, when he suggested I should keep quiet or he will look up my address or something along the lines (because my name rang a bell for him). That's why he thought I'm from the US.

Therefore this guy doesn't hesitate to use personal information such as name of his customer in order to have a... puny remark. That's just an assumption, but damn. Also he apparently stores the info for years.

It's not even insulting when he tries to downplay my work anymore, just kind of pathetic. It was not my work that dug his grave, it's his behavior.
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Do you own (or have access to) GC, GC-MS machines too?
 
master.on said:
While the carts and tables aren't that hard to understand,

but tests are only valid if they have proper reference standards
BTW I doubt there are commercial MS spectra (charts) for epistane. At least they aren't listed in NIST or Wiley.

May I ask where did you test it?






There's much more than simply pouring GH powder in vials with funnels.

You'd need to dissolve GH in a solvent and evaporate the latter
most preferably under vacuum.
Google lyophilization and you'll see what I mean.




Do you own (or have access to) GC, GC-MS machines too?
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I bought epistane actually it showed traces of either halotestin or turinabol and almost got me in legal trouble. This was many years ago when the Epistane craze started and I believe the lab started with a Chrome, something like that.
 
master.on said:
There's much more than simply pouring GH powder in vials with funnels.

You'd need to dissolve GH in a solvent and evaporate the latter
most preferably under vacuum.
Google lyophilization and you'll see what I mean.
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If you look on Alibaba you can order raw GH that they sell by the kilo. I know it needs to be lpholyzed, and vacuum sealed. This source bought the GH, and bottled it himself. That's where the bottling using spoons and funnels comes from.
 
Jstone2 said:
If you look on Alibaba you can order raw GH that they sell by the kilo. I know it needs to be lpholyzed, and vacuum sealed. This source bought the GH, and bottled it himself. That's where the bottling using spoons and funnels comes from.
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Most Alibaba chemicals of any kind are highly impure (not saying they're totally bunk) and QC needs to be done to determine true quality. Don't use dice-tossing @janoshik

Just pouring powders in vials will be unsterile
so their GH needs to be sterile filtered.
Check the Primus bust thread
Not for nothing they had all that expensive equipment: lyophilization is a must.
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/gep-primus-ray-alley-busted-in-greece.134388790/
 
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