Masteron as a growth promoter

[Type-IIx]

The guy is going off what each were prescribed for, so who is the 'authority' if not the pharm companies that made the products?

There are at least 2 biases here - 1st, your understanding of what he presents as a "fair analysis" of what pharma companies marketed a given AAS for; and 2nd, pharma companies marketing -- whether this actually reflects the drug's unique features, or is an artifact of study findings.

The fact is - and I admit to a bias here in wanting to understand features particular to each AAS (tends to underrepresent the more features that they have in common) - AAS are generally all pretty much the same. They all stimulate: nitrogen, potassium, phosphorus, and calcium retention (all the main components of the intracellular compartment; muscle anabolic); hematocrit/hemoglobin (erythropoietic); suppress LH, FSH, have masculinizing effects, etc. (androgenic).

I take primo because brewing it is much cheaper than buy it from URL, otherwise I would take Masteron.

But the claims being made on this board is that they are virtually the same and interchangeable, and I don't believe that is true at all.

Well you're wrong.

You can even see the anecdotes from people saying they get different results, and again, referring back to the pharm companies that designed them for specific reasons.

And they're wrong, too.

Masteron's purpose was to treat women

It sucked at it; that's why it's no longer available for therapeutic use from legitimate doctors (it was too androgenic).

; that's why its great to reduce estrogenic effects and used from contest prep. Yes, you can gain muscle on it, but Primo was made to add tissue with that specific purpose in mind, and therefore, is better at doing so.

Primo survived marketability, it's a bit less androgenic, and Bayer has been willing to stick with this drug for those otherwise nonresponsive metastatic breast cancer sufferors. Those are the essential differences between it and Mast.

I have zero sides from it.

GOOD FOR YOU BRO.

 

[Type-IIx]

OK, then start using reasons of pharma.

Masteron was to prevent uptake of E2 into breast tissue
Primo was made for anemia. breast cancer, not for muscle building.
Anadrol was made for anemia, not for muscle building.
Anavar was to prevent catabolism
Tren was for cows, not for humans

Again, your rationale doesn't make sense. These drugs had sides effects such as virilization, increase anabolism, increase androgenicity.
THINGS THAT WERE UNWANTED IN THAT PATIENT POPULATION.

However those side effect are things we wanted, but you do you bro.



thats great. keep taking primo, there is nothing wrong or saying one is better than the other. your rationale is just whack

AAS weren't even "made to" do shit in this sense. Scientists started to modify testosterone and try to make sense of structure-activity relationships based on what happened to their activity with certain changes.

There was no grand design by chemists to "make" a structural modification to "target" some outcome.

It was far more haphazard than that.

 

[Evom1]

There are at least 2 biases here - 1st, your understanding of what he presents as a "fair analysis" of what pharma companies marketed a given AAS for; and 2nd, pharma companies marketing -- whether this actually reflects the drug's unique features, or is an artifact of study findings.

The fact is - and I admit to a bias here in wanting to understand features particular to each AAS (tends to underrepresent the more features that they have in common) - AAS are generally all pretty much the same. They all stimulate: nitrogen, potassium, phosphorus, and calcium retention (all the main components of the intracellular compartment; muscle anabolic); hematocrit/hemoglobin (erythropoietic); suppress LH, FSH, have masculinizing effects, etc. (androgenic).


Well you're wrong.

And they're wrong, too.

It sucked at it; that's why it's no longer available for therapeutic use from legitimate doctors (it was too androgenic).

Primo survived marketability, it's a bit less androgenic, and Bayer has been willing to stick with this drug for those otherwise nonresponsive metastatic breast cancer sufferors. Those are the essential differences between it and Mast.

GOOD FOR YOU BRO.

When even @Type-IIx finally gets annoyed

 

[Deleted member 123722]

When even @Type-IIx finally gets annoyed

This just happened lol


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQVv44SlUXM&ab_channel=CutawayGuy

 

[BigTomJ]

Purely anecdotally, I dont see much growth from masteron over what i would normally expect.

I like mast, but just never saw a truely noticeable uptick in progress than i would expect on whatever test does i pair with it alone. Feel great, feel strong, but doesnt seem to add much for growth in my experience.

Im 6' almost 240lbs 12-14% bf max.
Ive used masteron in a prep scenario, in a standard cut, and several times on top of my offseason blasts. If im using 650 test/400mast, i feel great, but i dont really feel like i get much more size than i would ahve on just the 650 test.

im not going to say it does nothing, we know it is still an AAS and will work as such, but overal i have been fairly underwhelmed with my runs with masteron strictly from a growth perspective. From a cosmetic perspective masteron does an excellent job.


I do not feel the same with primo, primo i feel like i grow exceptionally well and predictably with, and feel fantastic in a whole body sense. Mentally feel good, recovery feels good, gut feels good, BP is always good, and just a general sense of wellbeing from primo for me.

 

[BigTomJ]

Go watch Dtren on tiktok.
From tren to primo you see the change
God complex to normal guy.
He even has a video on it.

Dtren also runs nauseating doses.

hes ran a gram of tren multiple times.

Hes a nice enough dude (hes on another forum i belong too) but i would take any of his content with a HUGE grain of salt.

 

[effswithtren]

Actually just ran into this video; he basically says Primo is better for anabolism, but mast may be better for cutting because of its anti estrogenic effects
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6noyTDbjWEU&ab_channel=VigorousSteve

Vigorous Steve is a lying hackfraud charlatan, but I do happen to agree with his summation here.

 

[laclark89]

the most persuasive answer )

How about shit genetics. And u believe everyone's cycle u hear? Lmao like tom platz competed in the Olympia on 1 shot of decca an winstrol.

 

[I6JQdr06]

Has anyone noticed that Masteron makes you injury-prone? I couldn’t find anything in the literature about drostanolone and collagen syntheses but my last cycle (245mg mast E/week, 20mg SR9009/day) saw me injured three times, all soft tissue issues.

 

[GuerillaPete]

Has anyone noticed that Masteron makes you injury-prone? I couldn’t find anything in the literature about drostanolone and collagen syntheses but my last cycle (245mg mast E/week, 20mg SR9009/day) saw me injured three times, all soft tissue issues.

No test?

 

[I6JQdr06]

No test?

Yes test. 175mg/week test U continuing from TRT

 

[Rido]

Has anyone noticed that Masteron makes you injury-prone? I couldn’t find anything in the literature about drostanolone and collagen syntheses but my last cycle (245mg mast E/week, 20mg SR9009/day) saw me injured three times, all soft tissue issues.

The belief is that it dries out your joints like winstrol. I don't see it but just saying what anectodal reports I saw

 

[Rido]

AAS weren't even "made to" do shit in this sense. Scientists started to modify testosterone and try to make sense of structure-activity relationships based on what happened to their activity with certain changes.

There was no grand design by chemists to "make" a structural modification to "target" some outcome.

It was far more haphazard than that.

Good to know lol

 

[I6JQdr06]

The belief is that it dries out your joints like winstrol. I don't see it but just saying what anectodal reports I saw

I’m not sure what “dries out your joints” really means? I hear people using the phrase but what is the actual mechanism?

My understanding is that Winstrol enhances collagen synthesis but at the expense of connective tissue laxity; tendons become more brittle and prone to injury due to upregulated cross-linking. I’m sure I’ve seen a paper on this but a 10 minute search right now didn’t bring up what I was looking for. Maybe someone can chime in.

 

[Rido]

I’m not sure what “dries out your joints” really means? I hear people using the phrase but what is the actual mechanism?

My understanding is that Winstrol enhances collagen synthesis but at the expense of connective tissue laxity; tendons become more brittle and prone to injury due to upregulated cross-linking. I’m sure I’ve seen a paper on this but a 10 minute search right now didn’t bring up what I was looking for. Maybe someone can chime in.

Just random crap I read, I run high dose mast and never had this issue to be honest. Main issues with me is increased oil production

 

[SmallOnGear]

Just random crap I read, I run high dose mast and never had this issue to be honest. Main issues with me is increased oil production

mast gives me more bacne than anything. would love the stuff if it wernt for that.

 

[Rido]

mast gives me more bacne than anything. would love the stuff if it wernt for that.

Personally it's better than fucking with my head. We all have to pick our poison. My wife loved it(she liked to pop it)

 

[boophomet]

Personally it's better than fucking with my head. We all have to pick our poison. My wife loved it(she liked to pop it)

I have to fight off my girlfriend from my pimples. I used to let her pop them but now I'm taking the skincare more seriously, and letting the pimples sort themselves out naturally has made a big difference

 

[Cohiba]

Wow, what a thread. I just finished reading all this after 2 days. I read it because I love mast, it's definitely one of my favorite compounds.

Someone mentioned it being like salt they sprinkle over everything. I'm kind of like that I run it with trt and cycles. I love the way it makes me "feel" as in overall sense of well being and confidence. It seems to have sexual health benefits as well for me.

I really noticed the recovery benefits this year when I stopped it for a while to help clear up an acne breakout. Suddenly my soreness after workouts got worse and lasted longer.

After the acne cleared I added a small dose of mast back in (150-200mg), and noticed that sure enough, I was recovering faster and soreness was not as severe.

I do notice more than usual strength gains from mast also.

Now vs primo, I'm jealous of people who can run primo because I can't. I've tried it on 2 separate occasions, and it makes me very easily agitated. Like in a way I can't seem to regulate. It's just unbearable for me. Had the primo tested to make sure it was real also, because this doesn't seem to be a common side effect for people.

As far as putting on size goes, I don't feel like mast makes me bloated in any way, but I feel like strength gains equal size gains in hypertrophic rep ranges, so yeah I think it helps.

The only compounds that made me "blow up" were ones that were very estrogenic and at the time I didn't manage my e2 or blood pressure properly, so the "blowing up" size was not healthy in any way.

 

[I6JQdr06]

Primo makes me agitated too